Not Make the World a Democracy, But a Republic!

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: IAMNOTYOU

Somehow a group that has remained hidden at the top all this time is stupid?
Hillary is stupid,BUSH is stupid..

are you telling me people who cant resist a drug (power) are smart??

They live in fear of getting caught, they are destroying the future for their own kids, they dont know how to do ANYTHING themself, other than signing papers, they CANT exist without us... Does that make them clever??

a reply to: cavtrooper7

I assumed always the NWO plan would be a republic.. Otherwise vote rigging couldn't "get your guy in" True democracy is hard to centralize. Woith todays technology where everyone can be heard at all times its really the first time in history democracy can work how its supposed to. I dont think it really works..

ever taken a famly vote on dessert or no dessert.. yea me either because both parents would say no and 4 kids would say yes and we'd have icecream cake everyday...

in reality when we are in small groups say lost in the woods or a tire is flat.. we dont take a vote, we look at our smartest or most mature person and go with what they say.. that's a republic..
The trick is having the right representatives..

Democracy with current intelligence people? That would scare me so bad.

bback to NWO

I dont think it makes a difference what their moves are but I suspect it has to be a republic which are the easiest to hijack intoi some sort of dictatorship if everyone voted in toes the line.. that's always are attack point.. Get OUR guys in. defend them against threads bribes coercion. No small task and at the moment we seem to be losing, and beyond that its hillary or Trump.. ??

it's not looking good.

I think the world is too large to manage as a republic.. but thats sort of what the united nations is anyway.. reducing populations does seem nesessary.. and if russia and china are in on it or not I could see using a world war to facilitate needed changes to human psyche and governent structure

a reply to: cavtrooper7

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
WHAT if the effort WAS NOT to spread a democracy but a REPUBLIC based on the American MODEL?

How about you don't "spread" anything?

a reply to: ColCurious

Im not an Oligarch ,nor is America.
I speak of the Illuminauti/NWO people.
ALL the time all we heard about was they were going to leave or go into bunkers and kill us all off.
THAT is stupid, too easy.
WE think we have an unseen hand here all over the globe with BANKS and hidden aristocracy,that is trying to reduce the population.
WHAT if they are instead TRYING not to spread a democracy LIKE AMERICAN mouth pieces for them have said but a REPUBLIC SYSTEM?

No its not that simple the republic is to insure the ownership of property so no one can just take it away it gives you ownership rights.a reply to: Lucidparadox

Would there be a chance that a Russian or Chinese Clinton or Trump would come from this union.......If so then I'm voting for ww3...in jest.a reply to: cavtrooper7

Russia and China are both Republics. One is Democratic in nature, the other is a Single Party State, but both are still Republics.

North American - Western European states have attempted to spread their democratic systems throughout the world. It has failed. You cannot force a democratic republic upon a people. Either they will reach it on their own, or not, or they'll develop a new system.

I will add it's extremely selective. The US wants to spread democracy to unfriendly Syria, but has seemingly no desire to do the same to friendly Saudi Arabia, arguably one of the most repressive and certainly the most barbaric state on earth.

Attempting to force your particular system upon a people creates nothing but the utmost contempt for it. America learned this in, well, the examples are too numerous to count. The USSR learned it in Poland and Czechoslovakia.

Spreading Democracy is the new Imperialism.

Instead the West should adopt the Chinese model of foreign relations. Attempt to maintain positive relations regardless of differences of political system and non-interference in the internal affairs of other nations.

originally posted by: Lucidparadox
I hate the fact that we have a republic.

I wish we had a legitimate Democracy. Where popular vote rules all!

Mob rule. No thanks.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: IAMNOTYOU

...IS THIS THE OLIGARCH GAME PLAN?

The game plan is Babylon the Great. A melding of all that came before into one system. For example, the Pope doesn't seek to be emperor just a special place at the seat of nations. Regions are combining to become economic blocks, dependent on other blocks through trade. Some blocks have zero agriculture or non self sustainable, some are kept energy dependent etc. They are kept that way so they are in some way part of the interdependency. If all parts are so interdependent, war is not possible so the theory goes. The US has all the resources to be self dependent, policies are being forced to be energy dependent, manufacturing has left the nations shores for this higher evil purpose.

The problem with a republic is that it gives sheltered people more power.

This is directly shown through the Electoral College system. A vote in the densely populated California is worth less than a vote in the relatively scarcely populated Wyoming when you look at the electoral value to population ratio.

Why should hardcore right wing rural citizens have more voting power when the clear majority of the voting population lives in urban environments?

Mob rule. No thanks.

Do you know who Francis Galton is?

He was a Victorian statistician, progressive, polymath, sociologist, psychologist, anthropologist, eugenicist, tropical explorer, geographer, inventor, meteorologist, proto-geneticist, and psychometrician who discovered in experiments that large groups collectively make better decisions than individuals, and that the larger the group, the more accurate the decision.

Mob rule is good for society.

A system based on infinite growth, on a finite planet, cannot sustain itself; and will collapse.

To delay this process, while implementing a transitional system, it is necessary for expansionary warfare over dwindling fossil fuel resources. Culminating into a world war, possibly nuclear, between the East and West; the victor will be in control of a Global Scientific Dictatorship.

Due to the advent of technology, it is more than possible to monitor and control every aspect of human activity. The global system we are shifting towards, is antithetical to a republic or democracy. It will closely resemble a technocracy, we can see this process at play in our political election process, experts have spent countless hours to shape the minds of the low information voters; these people have been socially engineered.

Most of our worldview has been shaped by these experts. Do you believe in the American Dream? The white picket fence and the nuclear family? That was a Fannie Mae ad campaign, to break up the extended families and sell more houses.

Look into Edward Bernays, particularly his book titled 'Propaganda' and 'Engineering Consent' for more information.

a reply to: TinfoilTP

so if I get you retracting our corporate fingers would be good for all concerned then.


TAX breaks to entice the corporations would be GOOD then?
HOW do you MAKE them comply otherwise?
Their predatory model will only screw it up again.

a reply to: cavtrooper7

I misread you. My bad.

Well, a constitutional federal republic is at core diametrically opposed to political centralism (like the EU is trying to force on us over here, for example), so if there is a globalist agenda, I doubt an ocean of decentralised federal republics is the means to establish a unified world order.

Which is only one more good reason why it is important to defend our constitutional republic over here IMO.

I'm a German republican in that sense... but the conservative type - not like in the United States.

a reply to: mikefunctions

THEY can if they are doing so from chaos and use appropriate force or a fake carrot to dangle that is something better the world buys.

a reply to: Lucidparadox

The Mongolians,with the SAME voice as CHINA ... AND you have a problem with that....I disagree.
ALL should speak.
THAT is what we are talking about between the liberal and and the right mindsets.

a reply to: ColCurious

If the wilder EU propaganda was correct they wanted to recreate the Wiemar republic to recreate Prussian arstocracy.
What would THAT look like?

a reply to: openyourmind1262

I like a fight TOO but GEEZE let's NOT get crazy...

originally posted by: Lucidparadox

This is directly shown through the Electoral College system. A vote in the densely populated California is worth less than a vote in the relatively scarcely populated Wyoming when you look at the electoral value to population ratio.

Why should hardcore right wing rural citizens have more voting power when the clear majority of the voting population lives in urban environments?

Because that would take away ANY vote from the rural environments. Fly-over country would have zero representation because New York and California would decide the election. They may as well not vote, bit with the electoral college, there is a slim chance how they vote actually counts.

It's not called the "United People of America." It's called the "United States of America." The idea was to give states, states as entities, a say in the governance, without which they would not have joined the Union, which was pretty close anyway. That power has been slowly eroded over the years and with direct election of Senators, it's almost a done deal, but that was not the original intent. The original intent was that people and states both had some power.

Do you know who Francis Galton is? Mob rule is good for society.

Ah yes, Galton, founder of eugenics and breeding smarter humans. He advocated that the "weak" should be confined to celibate monasteries where they could not breed. I'm thinking he did not include them in his studies of better decisions. he also advocated tagging criminals by their faces..you know..criminality is obvious when you look at someone. But he did figure out fingerprints. Good for him.

I believe the Nazis really liked his research and attempted to implement his ideas.

a reply to: cavtrooper7

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: ColCurious

If the wilder EU propaganda was correct they wanted to recreate the Wiemar republic to recreate Prussian arstocracy.
What would THAT look like?

????

What are you saying? What is your point? What's wrong with Prussia?

The great Ducal Prussia was one of the first secular regions in europe... the republican written free state Prussia was a bulwark of democracy and freedom during the Weimar Republic.
Prussian tertiary education, aswell as military tradition enjoys/-ed worldwide reputation and respect, in your armed forces aswell, as you might know.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: TinfoilTP

so if I get you retracting our corporate fingers would be good for all concerned then.


TAX breaks to entice the corporations would be GOOD then?
HOW do you MAKE them comply otherwise?
Their predatory model will only screw it up again.

Rebuild retrain and retain self dependence as a nation. Play their game of global spider webs but have a back up plan with real infrastructure and trained people to put to use the nations resources when needed.

If they get to the point that war is impossible that means they won, the human race can no longer resist and freedom is gone from the world.