Humor me, ATS, do you see a RAISED seal on the back of Obama’s short form birth certificate?

a reply to: MotherMayEye



Where was this ever referenced?

I'm not sure of what point you're trying to make.

a reply to: DeadFoot

Like I said, it is the local registrar signature that has been used to corroborate Obama's long form, not the State Registrar.

U (or V) K L Lee:



^^^^^This came from a white supremacist. You find him credible?

a reply to: MotherMayEye


Wow, is this tired birth crap still floating around.

I guess you left your run a bit late, but all the points youve made have been discredited already multiple times

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Hmmmmm... it's hard to say, to me it does actually look a bit "raised" but how accurately can you guage this without actually holding the document in your own hands?

originally posted by: LanceBristol
a reply to: MotherMayEye

Hmmmmm... it's hard to say, to me it does actually look a bit "raised" but how accurately can you guage this without actually holding the document in your own hands?

Factcheck held it, examined it, photographed it...and labeled the backside of the seal as "raised."

And they were *ahem* the definitive source on the document:

a reply to: LanceBristol

how accurately can you guage this without actually holding the document in your own hands?

I don't know, maybe take the word of factcheck.org that what they are posting is true and correct?

Factcheck is the organization that has been used to 'verify' the birth certificate, not the HDOH.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
When they published that long form BC it also had big "oops" on it, like the fact that they didn't fix or merge the layers so it was easy to tell it had been "edited" and was in fact a FAKE.

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On that note, the long form does not show a clear seal, let alone any indication that it is raised or not.

We have to take Savannah Guthrie's word that there is a raised seal. That's it. Seriously.

And then she got a cushy gig on the Today show.

Since you mentioned Savannah Guthrie... Moot or not, I still find this clip interesting.


Also, in your correspondence with the Hawaii Department of Health have you been given any info on the pencil notations that used to be 0 through 9? Anyone can say anything on the 'Net. I, for example, am 6' 4" with a golden tan and am built like Adonis...

Did a 9 penciled onto a form signify that that field was blank? That's oft repeated, but I've never seen it verified.

Kudos on your research, btw. The creepy messages would have convinced me to drop blogging, too!

originally posted by: lortl
a reply to: MotherMayEye


Wow, is this tired birth crap still floating around.

I guess you left your run a bit late, but all the points you've made have been discredited already multiple times

None of the points made have been debunked, nor have they even been addressed except that Obama supporters just make ridiculous comments calling it all "ridiculous" and such, which leaves the points unanswered in any coherent way.

I guess the reason is because they don't actually know anything about these issues and points except parroting how the media responds, which is just to laugh it all off but never actually address the points made.

a reply to: CornShucker

I did not look at the numbers. Sorry, but thank you.

By the time the long form was 'released' I already knew the short form was fraudulent. I refused to be distracted by it because I knew/believed it was released -- when it was released -- to specifically distract from my open records requests, to the HDOH, and the fact that I noticed that Factcheck labeled the backside of the seal as 'raised.'

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

Thanks, NoCorruption!

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
I already knew the short form was fraudulent.

Ah yes, another self proclaimed "expert" declares a document that they have never seen of touched a fake!

I refused to be distracted by it because I knew/believed it was released -- when it was released -- to specifically distract from my open records requests, '

So you are the person responsible for Obama releasing his Hawaiian birth certificate.... to cover up that you want information that you are not entitled to!

You really believe that crap?

a reply to: Phage

By all means, inform us if who has seen and vetted his information.

originally posted by: TheKnightofDoom
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

So what exactly are you saying Obama is? a plant? who planted him and for what reason?.

Maybe. I don't know. I know he's hiding something. As he said, "The only people who don't want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide." He fought to avoid showing even a birth certificate, when we supposedly all knew where, when, and from whom, he was born. School records, work records, and more, are not shown. The SSN was shown to be issued in a state where he never lived, and they were, at that time, assigned by state. I checked all of my family members, before the SSA changed the rules, and all of ours were correct. Different ages, different states, and we all matched where we should, for the state where the number was issued. After that came out in the news, they changed the rules, and took away the state designation. Why? Something else. In Hawaii, there are land grants for natives. For a long time, the rule was a long form birth certificate had to be shown. When the flak about his hit the media, that rule changed as well. All sorts of changes.

I wish I had answers. I don't, but we have enough information to know there are unanswered questions. For someone in a position of power, that's a concern. Plus, I am curious.

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
Two proven fake birth certificates?

Proven fake by who exactly? Internet racists do not count.

Still throwing out the race card? No, sorry, but questioning a fraud doesn't mean one is racist. Got anything new?

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes

He demanded that McCain prove his citizenship, and McCain did.

He has also proved his.... You "forget" he has been the POTUS for 8 years....

Funny how you also ignore the court cases that stated Obama is a natural born US citizen....

A lawsuit filed in an Arizona superior court by Kenneth Allen (Allen v. Arizona Democratic Party) alleged that Obama was not a natural-born citizen because his father "was a resident of Kenya and thus a British citizen".[118] Allen argued that the U.S. Supreme Court's ruling in Minor v. Happersett required a natural-born citizen to be born in the U.S. of two U.S. citizen parents; however, the judge dismissed the suit on March 7, 2012, ruling that "President Obama is a natural born citizen under the Constitution" and that "[c]ontrary to Plaintiff's assertion, Minor v. Happersett ... does not hold otherwise."[119]

That's assuming the birth certificate, which they did NOT see in court, is real. Funny how that works...

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes

He didn't come out of nowhere, have no one remember him in schools he claimed to attend, and post fake birth certificates.

What are you babbling about?

Obama's history is known, people who attended school/college have spoken about him....

You mean the people who attended the school he claims to have attended, that have no memory of him? NO ONE remembers him from Occidental.

You can ignore the facts, but they won't change as a result.

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
School records, work records, and more, are not shown.

Funny how Trump and Clinton are not showing those exact same records.... nor have they shown their birth certificates.... but that is ok!

The SSN was shown to be issued in a state where he never lived,

SSN's are NOT state based....

Note: One should not make too much of the "geographical code." It is not meant to be any kind of useable geographical information. The numbering scheme was designed in 1936 (before computers) to make it easier for SSA to store the applications in our files in Baltimore since the files were organized by regions as well as alphabetically. It was really just a bookkeeping device for our own internal use and was never intended to be anything more than that.

I wish I had answers.

One just has to look at pictures of all Presidents to get your answer!

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
but questioning a fraud doesn't mean one is racist.

Where is there any evidence of fraud? 200+ failed court cases by birthers.... every single birther court case has failed as all birthers have are lies and made up crap.

But do not worry, Obama will be out of office in

www.timeanddate.com...

Can you please edit your original post to include photographs of the two pencil etchings Hawaii provided to you?

Sorry if you already posted them; I do not have time to search through the 29 pages of this thread for them. It would be easier for everyone if you included them in the original post.

Thank you.

originally posted by: hellobruce
Funny how Trump and Clinton are not showing those exact same records.... nor have they shown their birth certificates.... but that is ok!

There has never been a question of who they are, or where they were born. The Obama campaign demanded that McCain show his, and McCain DID. So, why was it ok for him, but not for O?

originally posted by: hellobruce
SSN's are NOT state based....

Not now, no, but they used to be!!! Up until the time people started questioning his number, then the rules were changed. But, hey, no worries, nothing to see here. Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

originally posted by: hellobruce
One just has to look at pictures of all Presidents to get your answer!

Oh, right, people can't dislike him for ignoring the rule of law, for being a race baiter, for trashing the military, for wasting money, for anything he does wrong; it MUST be about his race. Sorry, but no.

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
but questioning a fraud doesn't mean one is racist.

Where is there any evidence of fraud? 200+ failed court cases by birthers.... every single birther court case has failed as all birthers have are lies and made up crap.

But do not worry, Obama will be out of office in

www.timeanddate.com...

Where was there any evidence? Seriously??? Wake up, do a simple search. People CONFESSED to fraud, and a lot more was proven.

Thousands of voter registration forms faked, officials say
Election Fraud in the 2008 Indiana Presidential Campaign: A Case Study in Corruption

7 charged with voter fraud in 2008 elections

More 2008 Election Fraud Uncovered

Election Fraud Tainted the 2008 Presidential Race in Indiana Read more at: www.nationalreview.com...

Where There's Smoke, There's Fire: 100,000 Stolen Votes in Chicago

York: When 1,099 felons vote in race won by 312 ballots

More ACORN Voter Fraud in Wisconsin

Voter Fraud: We’ve Got Proof It’s Easy Read more at: www.nationalreview.com...

Research Shows Voter Fraud May Have Swung Key 2008 Elections

That is a very small sample of the hundreds of articles on the subject. Wake up, dude.

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
There has never been a question of who they are, or where they were born.

Exactly the same as Obama, there was never any questions about him either! Except from some birthers who are still claiming his documents are forged!

The Obama campaign demanded that McCain show his, and McCain DID.

Sure about that? Link?