A vote for Gary Johnson is a vote for Hillary Clinton

a reply to: Vector99

I see the logic of "A vote for Johnson is a vote taken from Hillary". Which is true. But it's also a vote taken from Trump who has the only snowballs chance to keep Hillary out of the White House.

I would love to vote third party honestly, but just can't bring myself to let my vote be the reason she is elected.

a reply to: AutOmatIc

Gary Johnson himself in a recent interview said he pulls more voters away from Hillary than from Trump.

a reply to: AutOmatIc

It won't be your vote. It'll be the ones who vote for her.

That's the way it works. This can't be emphasized enough.

You're voting for someone, not against someone. That's why informed voting is so damned important.

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: AutOmatIc

More dems are likely to vote for Johnson, so no your thinking is flawed. A vote for Johnson is a vote taken from Hillary.

Then again Bern-outs probably don't realize he sold out a long time ago and will likely ride the rah-rah Hilldog train with him to the end.

US politics are amusing at best.

Aw, you're too cute. I was a Libertarian before Bernie, happened to agree with more of Bernie's platform than anyone else's, and was thus happy to vote for him. However, his endorsement is essentially a campaigning fold (I think we all understand that much, write-ins after that point are just symbolic) so I'm not going to write him.

Johnson was my second choice. Johnson gets my vote. What's more funny is that all of my Republican neighbors are also suddenly behind him. All but a small handful of Trump yard signs & bumper stickers left in my general area, talk about regretful Primary voters. Even at my husband's job, the most aggravating & staunch Trump supporters have had an epiphany and are voting Johnson.
If that picks up speed nationally, Johnson has a very serious chance of winning.

Could registered Dems still write-in Bernie for prez,or are write-ins not allowed in presidential voting?

a reply to: AutOmatIc

A vote for Gary Johnson is a vote for Hillary Clinton

Nope, not at all. A vote for Gary Johnson is a vote for Gary Johnson.

And a vote against the two-party stranglehold. It only takes 15% to forever change the playing field. That is very possible this election -- perhaps even probable!

I fully support liberals and Democrats voting for Johnson and Stein.

a reply to: buckwhizzle

You can write in anyone you choose, so far as I know.

Bernie, or anyone you desire.

a vote for any candidate that doesn't represent the two main parties is a vote to open the electoral process and break the two party monopoly. and, consider the candidates they are presenting us this time around, I think it's high time that that monopoly is broken! the american citizen loses if either of them wins the election, but at least maybe a vote for johnson, or any other alternate candidate gets enough recognition in the polls, we might get better choices next time around.

besides, if I were a republican, I think I would be worried more about what dear cruz is up to... his "vote your conscious" speech is kind of meaningless unless he plans on bringing in an alternative option for all those christian conservatives.

a reply to: AutOmatIc

That`s correct, in my state for example the candidate who gets the most popular votes is awarded all the electorial college votes from my state.In a predominantly democrat state like mine any vote that isn`t for the democrat candidate is basically a vote that isn`t represented by the electorial college.

There are un verified rumors that Koch is pledging financial support towards Johnson. Supposedly is a source within the Johnson campaign.

So let's see. We have Johnson and Koch denying it, We have Johnson stating he will pull more voters away from Hillary then Trump yet we have Koch who wants Hillary in the WH possibly funding him!

A vote is a vote but Johnson has zero chance and we all can vote our conscience but at the end of the day if the above is true then Hillary gets the benefit of a Gary Johnson run!

Check out RCP polls and you will see head to head Trump & Hillary are virtually tied but the polls that add Johnson and Stein Trump is down 4-5 points so basically Johnson and Stein are pulling votes from Trump and benefiting Hillary.

RCP Polls

I wouldn't count anyone out this election. It has been a weird one.

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: intrptr

Yes. Several of them.

Gary Johnson. Or **choke** Jill Stein. Or any other independents who might strike your fancy.

Now, I'm voting for Johnson because I agree with a good many of his stances. Not all, but a good many.

The fact that it's also a thumb to the eyes of the two major parties is just an added bonus.

Thumb in their eye, huh?

I'm pretty sure they don't care. The answer to my question is their isn't any box to check 'for the people'.

I know you saw that other thread announcing Bushes endorse Clinton?

Endless war is the past, present and future.

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: AutOmatIc

It won't be your vote. It'll be the ones who vote for her.

That's the way it works. This can't be emphasized enough.

You're voting for someone, not against someone. That's why informed voting is so damned important.

You're not very good at math, are you?

Let's put it like this:

D - Donald
H - Hilary
G - Gary

If person 1 votes for D and person 2 and 3 votes for H, we have a 66% for H and 33% for D.
Hope, you understand up to here.

Now... if person 4 votes it can go in one of 3 ways:

case 1: person 4 votes for H
D - 25%
H - 75%
G - 0%

case 2: person 4 votes for G
D - 25%
H - 50%
G - 25%

case 3: person 4 votes for D
D - 50%
H - 50%
G - 0%

Comparing the above we can conclude that in a pool consisting of 4 voters under the condition previously described, a vote for H equals 50% advantage from D, vote for G equals a 25%(can be considered push), and a vote for D evens it out 50% - 50%.

So what you are saying that a vote for G is NOT an advantage to H is just false and dishonest at best.
Things should be looked at from a neutral standpoint, not a ideological one.

originally posted by: Teikiatsu
I fully support liberals and Democrats voting for Johnson and Stein.

I see what you did there.

Bollocks .
One should vote on there principles not on who is the better out of two bad candidate.

a reply to: efabian

Go ahead and pretend that if you wish. Try not to stoop to petty insulting diatribe in the process, eh?

If I vote for Johnson, which I am, no matter what kind of mathematical chicanery you pull out, it doesn't somehow change it to a vote for Trump, or a vote for Clinton...it remains a vote for Johnson.

Sorry 'bout that.

a reply to: crazyewok

(((applause)))

That's exactly it. If that's how we all voted, we wouldn't be getting such horrible choices from the two major parties.

But, since both parties can depend upon folks voting for D or R, regardless of who they are...well, this is what we get.

a reply to: intrptr

If enough folks put that thumb in the eye, rather than somewhere else, who knows what might happen... Right?

a reply to: Nyiah

Aw, you're too cute.

Thanks!

I was a Libertarian before Bernie, happened to agree with more of Bernie's platform than anyone else's, and was thus happy to vote for him.

Good, he served his purpose.

Johnson was my second choice. Johnson gets my vote. What's more funny is that all of my Republican neighbors are also suddenly behind him.

This is an issue. Blindly following political ambitions. I've been called a donkey, and elephant, and a tree. I'm none of the above, but like you mentioned YOU have noticed a swing simply because of "party lines"

I'm sitting back watching it all like I would an episode of american idol. It's a show, and there will be zero changes in american politics and policies when the new guy/gal is sworn in.

Everything goes through congress, and no one gives a goddamn about congress ever.

President? LOL. The president is the weakest branch of our 3 tier system.

Again, our US politics are a joke.