A vote for Gary Johnson is a vote for Hillary Clinton

I realize a lot of people dislike both candidates that are running for president. But let us be realistic.

As it stands right now in American politics, a third party has zero chance of winning.

It has veen verified that the DNC is rotten to the core (see leaked DNC emails). And they are pulling out all the stops to insure that their chosen one Hillary will win.

So should you choose to vote for Gary Johnson, you might as well vote for Hillary.

No matter how much you might believe this is not the case, it is the cold hard reality of the situation.

What a load of BS. I'm voting for him because I believe he represents my beliefs and interests more than the others.

If she wins, that's on her supporters. If trump wins, that's on his. Nobody is going to pin that on me when I'm actually voting for who I believe in instead of who I "don't want".

Wrong. A vote for Gary Johnson is a vote for Gary Johnson.

No.

A vote for Gary Johnson or Jill Stein or anyone else is a vote for that person. Stop propagating the ignorant lie that third parties or even fourth and fifth parties can and will never be viable alternatives in this country. But way to play right into their hands.

originally posted by: AutOmatIc
I realize a lot of people dislike both candidates that are running for president. But let us be realistic.

As it stands right now in American politics, a third party has zero chance of winning.

It has veen verified that the DNC is rotten to the core (see leaked DNC emails). And they are pulling out all the stops to insure that their chosen one Hillary will win.

So should you choose to vote for Gary Johnson, you might as well vote for Hillary.

No matter how much you might believe this is not the case, it is the cold hard reality of the situation.

Not true, it's technically a vote for whoever is already winning in a state. If you're in a state that's heavily red or blue already then you can vote for Johnson and your vote actually means something, rather than being a tally in a predetermined result. If you're in a swing state, it's effectively a vote for whoever is already winning there.

So if you're against Hillary you can safely vote Johnson in any state except for the swing states where Trump is only slightly ahead.

I'm sorry, no it isn't. It'll be a vote for Johnson.

This attitude is exactly why a third party hasn't caught on yet. Fear.

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
No.

A vote for Gary Johnson or Jill Stein or anyone else is a vote for that person. Stop propagating the ignorant lie that third parties or even fourth and fifth parties can and will never be viable alternatives in this country. But way to play right into their hands.

Sure it's a vote for that person. But unless that person wins, it is good for only one's conscience.

I would love for a third party to win, but realistically, it just isn't going to happen.

If a third party wins the presidency I will personally eat so much crow that even Jon Snow will finally know something.

a reply to: AutOmatIc

I'll take living with my conscience and voting for the person who best represents me over some illusion of winning something any day.

originally posted by: AutOmatIc
Sure it's a vote for that person. But unless that person wins, it is good for only one's conscience.

I would love for a third party to win, but realistically, it just isn't going to happen.

If a third party wins the presidency I will personally eat so much crow that even Jon Snow will finally know something.

People voting for Johnson aren't voting for him to win. It would be nice if that happens but they're casting their vote trying to get him to 2% of the popular, that way the party is taken more seriously next time around and 2020 isn't only Trump/Clinton vs Someone else.

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
a reply to: AutOmatIc

I'll take living with my conscience and voting for the person who best represents me over some illusion of winning something any day.

I can respect that. I even wrote in my vote on several elections myself for the same reason.

The hard truth is what it is though.

There has NOT been voting FOR anyone for decades. All voting is whatever manner is needed to prevent the person you least want to get into office. This is why it never seems to make any sense why a particular candidate wins when public tide is against them. The powers that know vote to STOP the person that is the biggest threat to the candidate they want to see elected.

a reply to: Aazadan

What you say is indeed true. Due to the electoral college system we have a candidate can win the popular vote and still lose the election. But even in heavy "red" states they can be turned blue, and vice versa.

And there have been third parties trying to gain support for as long as I can remember, but they have not once been able to topple the "red vs blue" domination in a presidential election.

a reply to: ~Lucidity


Amen!!!


...and you can disagree with my choices all day.

...

Come to think on it, I believe you do already... But that is sooo beside the point, conscience/goodwill will generally take us to the same place, or place we can all agree with.

a reply to: Aazadan

Yes, I am. It's hardly my fault if he doesn't win, is it?

a reply to: AutOmatIc

More dems are likely to vote for Johnson, so no your thinking is flawed. A vote for Johnson is a vote taken from Hillary.

Then again Bern-outs probably don't realize he sold out a long time ago and will likely ride the rah-rah Hilldog train with him to the end.

US politics are amusing at best.

I'm voting against the US gubment and for the people. Is there a box for that?

a reply to: seagull

Truth.

Not always. We probably agree more than we disagree...it's just that the disagreements tend to be louder and more noticable these days. And another thing that's for certain is that we are all in a very bad place right now and we're there together. More and more, I'm choosing not to play...and that doesn't make a person loser either.

a reply to: intrptr

Yes. Several of them.

Gary Johnson. Or **choke** Jill Stein. Or any other independents who might strike your fancy.

Now, I'm voting for Johnson because I agree with a good many of his stances. Not all, but a good many.

The fact that it's also a thumb to the eyes of the two major parties is just an added bonus.

a reply to: ~Lucidity

We'll agree on the ends usually. Doesn't everyone want good things to happen? It's the means utilized to reach that end that so many of us disagree on...usually rather loudly, as you point out.

That's why we need to, at least once in a while, disengage the mouth/keyboard and listen and read--and think--before replying. Not always easy to do, God knows, I fail often enough at that.

a reply to: AutOmatIc

No, a vote for Hillary Clinton is a vote for Hillarry Clinton and a vote for Gary Johnson is a vote for Gary Johnson.

Derp