How does wanting secure borders make someone a XENOPHOBE!?! I'm confused!

a reply to: andy06shake

Then why the borders? Because the illusion of control and security is a fallacy at best and an atrocity at worst.

Why have such borders if not to maintain a semblance of supposed control?

People with monies or means will never be denied access no matter there supposed country of origin!

The problem being the distribution of wealth among our respective populations.

Its never been about where you are from, just what you have to offer.

Territory is a natural fact, not an illusion. The borders mark where that territory begins and ends.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

But are we not beyond the reasoning of such an animal instinctive nature? Has the information age taught us nought?

Together we stand, divided we get shafted by the haves of this world!

"The times they are a changing"

Most people want to be good and popular. If you can link something negative to something, you usually get to do the opposite.

Be a good person and vote democrat. Don't think, just vote

Even with a wall, the industries that exist on cheap labor will find a way to to keep the tomato farms, roofing companies, maid services, meat packing plants, staffed.

The below min. wage world is Yuuuuggge. Even Trump hires them at his hotels, casinos and resort properties.


www.nationalreview.com...

a reply to: neo96

I believe the US has plenty to offer both citizens and legal immigrants.

But illegals are a different story. If your first act is criminal by entering the nation illegally then you really don't belong. Pro-illegal immigration people think that we should have open borders in the age of terrorism while at the same time these same people want to ban the ownership of effective weapons and criminalize self-defense.

Speaking out against such a stupid and self destructive narrative means you're racist if you're white, and Uncle Tom(or Tio Juan in my case, lol) if you're Hispanic. It marginalizes legitimate concerns in favor of political correctness which, as we continue to witness in the form of Islamic terrorism, is a deadly recipe.

Never mind untracked individuals entering the nation without proper vaccination, without education of any kind, and without our knowledge. This is all a recipe for disaster and it seems the only nation not allowed to view immigration in this light is the United States.

a reply to: andy06shake

But are we not beyond the reasoning of such an animal instinctive nature? Has the information age taught us nought?

Borders are reasonable. If one doesn't believe so, he should take the locks off his door, or hell, just leave it open.

a reply to: olaru12

Tunnels beat walls. A wall is a pointless act devised by a Muppet that seeks power and probably has a sub 100 IQ, hence the wall solution.

I mean America is not China and the Mexicans are not Mongol rapist murderers no matter how Trump wishes to paint the picture.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Privacy is a human right but borders serve only to retard the free moment of people.

Poverty is the issue, hence the migration/movement in the first place.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: slider1982

People are people the only thing that separates us from one another is education, wealth and our religions belief systems which are flawed beyond reason.

Monkey see, Monkey do.

Indeed I would agree but how can you break sometimes thousands of years of tradition and where can two cultures meet in a 50/50 type of way to coexist in harmony. We still have a majority of the world that believes in a magical man in the sky that made us. To me that is totally idiotic but to them it is me that is the idiot.

People cannot get on within their own social society so I have little hope for a worldwide dream of everyone getting on and you know what it well be for the best?. Stop trying to push every culture together esp in Europe and we may have far less issues in the world.


RA

simple.

Saying we have to take steps to prevent terrorists entering the country by tougher background checks on those coming into the country....... not xenophobic.

Saying lets ban all Muslims getting into the country because some Muslims are terrorists..... xenophobic.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Saying lets screen ALL Americans before they get to practice a constitutional RIGHT.

XENOPHOBIC.

"object violence' must be stopped at all costs!

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss


Well we have fully developed 5th columnists these days that have grown out of our society and have been nurtured and well feed. One of the results of the liberals taking over the education system. The usurpers dream......not identified as Red Russians ect but home grown born in USA just like some other terrorists.

a reply to: slider1982

Then we need to learn and sharpish, especially if we wish our current way of life to survive the next century.

Or we can fold any accept the Orwellian nightmare already doing the rounds.

Thing is theirs not that much time left, generational wise most people will always accept the social norm simply because its accepted and easy to swallow.

a reply to: andy06shake

Privacy is a human right but borders serve only to retard the free moment of people.

Restricting human movement into this nation is NOT a bad idea. There are many legitimate reasons to do so.

Poverty is the issue, hence the migration/movement in the first place.

Of course poverty is the issue. It doesn't help that all the people who could do something about it leave only to perpetuate the problem further.

It does us no good to lay out the welcome mat as the worlds solution to everyone's problems.

We're the world's police AND hotel? Why should we be either?

a reply to: neo96

Well not really if its applied to all American citizens then its just a law.

ie. the law says you must be screened before buying a weapon applies to all citizens.

not xenophobic.

if however the law said all black men must be screened before buying a weapon.... then its xenophobic (and racist)

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Privacy is a human right but borders serve only to retard the free moment of people.

Poverty is the issue, hence the migration/movement in the first place.

Without borders there are no countries.

If you don't want borders, you don't want countries, which pulls one into fantasy land well outside reality.

a reply to: MysticPearl

To be fair though, having a boarder does not mean you cannot have freedom of travel between states.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Xenophobic is a word whose definition is seen without cause, without reason, not ration.

Taking radical action in mind and well a drug cartel and organize crime involvement in illegal entire......misgivings fail to fall under that definition.

a reply to: andy06shake

Privacy is a human right but borders serve only to retard the free moment of people.

Poverty is the issue, hence the migration/movement in the first place.

That's exactly why borders are needed, to retard the free movement of people.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: MysticPearl

To be fair though, having a boarder does not mean you cannot have freedom of travel between states.

The EU is a good example of that.

Seems to be working well....

The elephant in the room is that societies within various borders hold cultural values which don't always agree while others are proud of protecting their cultural ways. Asia is a good example of that. They have a distinct culture they want to protect. Opening their borders would erase large parts of their culture.