Melania's RNC speech versus Michelle Obama's DNC speech

originally posted by: ~Lucidity

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: ~Lucidity

Suit yourself and keep pestering on about "borrowed fragments" then. No skin off my nose.

You could have just said you don't have any argument, instead of pestering on about your link.

I was attempting to help you, not argue with you, as you keep going on and on and on and on about the same thing.

He wasn't confused or looking for clarity, just the opposite.

Having failed to convince anyone that the speech wasn't plagiarized and being confronted with the campaign itself conceding the fact...he was looking to drown the discussion in semantics irrelevant to the substance.

Like I said originally...Don't take that bait

You know there is something wrong with liberals when they are more worried about 50 or so repeated words from a possible first lady than 3000 or so deleted emails from a Presidential Candidate.

I find all this hilarious. Look at the character, the criminality, the disgusting arrogance, the dishonesty, the lack of empathy, the acceptance of behaviors that a normal person would recoil from, regarding Hillary Clinton.

Yes, Lucidity, small things seem to matter to the petty, but the really really Big Things matter squat when it comes to their own female example.

a reply to: ~Lucidity

I was attempting to help you, not argue with you, as you keep going on and on and on and on about the same thing.

Sorry, I was replying to others. I'm not going to ignore them because you find yourself bored with it. Thanks for your help.

I find it ironic that all those who were clamoring on and on about picking on Michelle Obama, are now frothing at the mouth to bash Melania Trump.

Hypocrites.

Of course, I expected nothing less from the Left, we all know about their "tolerance"

originally posted by: knoxie
“The Trump campaign (is) putting something right in front of our faces and telling us it’s not there, Sienkiewicz said. "To me the message is something along the lines of them believing they can simply shape reality in the image they want it to.”

Hence, all the smoke and mirrors at Trump's convention entrance. Or is that "blowing smoke"? Hmmmm, maybe both.

a reply to: Indigo5

He wasn't confused or looking for clarity, just the opposite.

Having failed to convince anyone that the speech wasn't plagiarized and being confronted with the campaign itself conceding the fact...he was looking to drown the discussion in semantics irrelevant to the substance.

You made the false claim, not me. It appears it was conjecture after all, contrary to your claims, and you have no further rebuttal.

originally posted by: -Blackout-
You know there is something wrong with liberals when they are more worried about 50 or so repeated words from a possible first lady than 3000 or so deleted emails from a Presidential Candidate.

It isn't either/or.

Liberals are capable of examining and weighing the veracity of more than one issue at a time.

I wish I could say the same about the conservatives on this site...but by the looks of this thread about Melania's speech... "email server" occupies the entirety of their brain.

a reply to: -Blackout-

Naw, now be fair. We also worried about the 22+ million or so lost Bush emails and the terabytes of lost data between the Clinton and Bush administration. But we let that go.

Because none of that has anything to do with the topic at hand here. But keep trying to distract and deflect. It's entertaining at the very least, and we understand that independent thought can be very hard when there's not a talking point for this yet.

originally posted by: poncho1982
I find it ironic that all those who were clamoring on and on about picking on Michelle Obama, are now frothing at the mouth to bash Melania Trump.

Hypocrites.

Of course, I expected nothing less from the Left, we all know about their "tolerance"

And vice versa, dude. Or do you really not see that? Those who all but crucified Mrs. Obama are now attempting (feebly) to defend the candidate's wife.

See how that works?

a reply to: Indigo5

I struck a nerve I see.

originally posted by: dreamlotus1111
also what was up with her expression? it was so stern. so intense like she just murdered someone!

Oh...don't make us post pics of Michelle's expressions...hahaha! Now that's a mean-looking woman.

a reply to: queenofswords

Even as a child she looked mean. She was born with a scowl on her face.

a reply to: Indigo5

I apologize for my pigheadedness. I may have to concede after all, if this statement was less ambiguous. I now see what you mean regarding Trump's statements after giving them another read.

"In writing her beautiful speech, Melania's team of writers took notes on her life’s inspirations, and in some instances included fragments that reflected her own thinking".

What I thought it meant was that they included fragments of the notes on her life’s inspirations, not fragments from other speeches. Either way, "notes on her life's inspiration" is explicit, "from other people's speeches" isn't. It's a shame the statement wasn't less ambiguous. Nonetheless, I apologize.

originally posted by: poncho1982
I find it ironic that all those who were clamoring on and on about picking on Michelle Obama, are now frothing at the mouth to bash Melania Trump.

Oh...I do not blame Melania trump...I actually feel a fair measure of sympathy for her.

This was 100% Donald's responsibility and doing, not to say the Trump campaign hasn't tried to exploit her further by falsely casting her as the victim to deflect blame from speechwriters, but no I don't blame Melania for playing her part.

originally posted by: ~Lucidity

originally posted by: poncho1982
I find it ironic that all those who were clamoring on and on about picking on Michelle Obama, are now frothing at the mouth to bash Melania Trump.

Hypocrites.

Of course, I expected nothing less from the Left, we all know about their "tolerance"

And vice versa, dude. Or do you really not see that? Those who all but crucified Mrs. Obama are now attempting (feebly) to defend the candidate's wife.

See how that works?

So, do you think that a Presidential candidate, or a President's Spouse is off limits to criticism?

Because I don't. I think if you run for public office, and you put your spouse up on stage to promote YOU, they are open to everything that comes at them as far as criticism. This includes 1st ladies as well. She puts herself in the public eye, she's fair game too.

I'm merely pointing out the obvious hypocrisy involved. I don't care if you see it from the opposite side or not, it's hypocrisy none the less. And it's a circle that never ends, and neither side is innocent of it.

But you would THINK that with the left always claiming the moral high ground in all subjects, they would strive to set an example. However, at the first opportunity, they do exactly the same thing and revert to children.

Two wrongs have never made a right. If they truly believe in tolerance, they must practice it no matter what. Or else they're just as bad as the other side.

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: BrokedownChevy

Actually Michelle Obama got her speech from a book written in 1992 by African author Rob Marsh titled, "Business success in South Africa."

That nonsense red herring has already been tried...and failed.

Post here

Translation: Darn it! Well, we better keep pretending that we own the high ground.

You should care when people connected to the person are being disingenuous. You would listen to what "references" or friends or associates would have to say, yes?

Or do you just dodge questions when you don't like the answer? Or when errors are pointed out?

I see you have chosen "Detective Columbo" for your avatar. Now this character would not have ignored the obvious.

And just in case you might have certain ideas, about various people, as 'The Right', some of them, do seem to have, I just thought I'd point out also that actor Peter Falk - was a Jew.

originally posted by: -Blackout-
You know there is something wrong with liberals when they are more worried about 50 or so repeated words from a possible first lady than 3000 or so deleted emails from a Presidential Candidate.

Oh give me a break.

Right wingers would be all over this if the situation was reversed.

I'm sensing that the problem this year is the difference in the candidate and his background. Donald Trump comes from the world of business, where he was in charge. He is used to being in charge and having things his way, whether they are in his favor or not, he will make them his way, or appear that it was his way. He has conducted his campaign in the same manner.

Now he gets to his party's convention and wants to continue in his manner. It is one thing to have a family run a business, but a family cannot run a political campaign. It seems that even though there is outside political consulting, the Trump campaign is still running the show. What might work for Melania in her business, where she is in charge and has final say, won't work in the world of politics and governing. She could very well have written this beautiful speech, with disastrous results.

Someone is paying Paul Manafort to do his job well, try to keep the Trump campaign from going completely off the tracks, for the good of the party. If he survives this job, his biggest reward will be to make a ton of money writing a book about this.

This is why this speech brouhaha is really over something important. It is kind of like, no one gets a divorce simply for a spouse leaving clothes on the floor; it speaks to something deeper going on. Trump has been clueless about politics, and one begins to wonder if he has any idea how to govern. Of course, those who think it's good to run a country as a business, then that authoritarian, narcissistic boss will be looking over your shoulder, but you'll have no other job....country.... to turn to. Welcome to the oligarchy manifested as fascism.