CONFIRMED: Fluoride Damages the Brain

a reply to: Metallicus

my solution over the years is to let tap water sit in the fridge at least 24 hours before using.
this supposedly allows the chlorine to evaporate.

I will not give tap water directly to my pets or plants.

chlorine kills useful bacteria, from what I understand.

hope I'm right on this one.

a reply to: Metallicus
Yet ANOTHER Natural News article taken as fact without actually reading the science behind it....


Link to the article, not to Natural News, where you can read or download the study.

Of course we know fluoride is dangerous in large quantities. That has been proven time and time again. Take the oft misquoted Harvard Study that proved fluoride in water is dangerous. Yes of course it is at the level in the untreated water they were drinking it in China.

Also, most water treatment plants take fluoride down to acceptable (non poisonous) levels, bet most people that fear this didn't know that.

I love how the fearful jump on whatever bandwagon is tooting the loudest at the time. Where is the thread about the chemicals being added into plastics that are in this study too? lol Just because you don't understand something, doesn't mean you have to fear it or believe every NN article...

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: Chadwickus

My point is if council can get fined dumping a hazardous waste how is that ok to be diluted into water...for drinking !

Try actually reading the article....

Also do you know how many people a year die from too much or a lack of Dihydrogen monoxide? Tens of thousands.

Funny...you can joke all you want...

Fluoride in its many names is both naturally occurring and a man made waste product...it seems there is a need to dump this toxic waste what better than to dissolve it in millions of liters of water like our drinking water

You clearly haven't taken the time to understand or read how fluoride is processed. It isn't taken out of a waste vat, loaded into a drum and poured into the water. Actually taking the time to read and comprehend will usually take the fear out of the equation.

originally posted by: pl3bscheese

originally posted by: Chadwickus
a reply to: pl3bscheese

If you have read them as you claim, then you'd know it's from water supplies with high levels of fluoride. Many times above what is recommended.

That's incorrect. The doses ranged from 6.7mg/l to 1.4mg/l. In the US you can have up to 1mg/l, and we now know the water supply companies jack with their results.

If you would have been honest, I wouldn't have bothered responding.

That's not true at all.

Water is strictly regulated and it is impossible to "fudge" any results. Again, knowledge takes a backseat to fear and rumors.

originally posted by: Dark Ghost
They will try, vehemently of course, but it seems the debunkers have their hands full with this article.

Nope.
No, they don't at all.
Not good science

The other alarming thing is that the original OP source claims this is a "recent" study when it's two years old (although I know that how it it is doesn't really matter as long as the science is correct, which in this case it isn't but when something is touted as something it isn't it should raise red flags. Big, red flags.)

Like one guy already write Fluoride have taken his toll. Just like I see on this topic.

For a fact we know that Fluoride can harm the human brain, study show it. But now some people (that had too much fluoride int heir life until now) say it is ok because some people over there said it is ok to consume x.xx amount of Fluoride.

I m sorry, but NO, I m not the idiot to take this crap. Why should I consume Fluoride and gamble if that scientist made a correct call on the safe amount? After all daily dosage is different for every country, so who is right?

Also, I will not feel like an idiot for 50 years like were people who used this for teeth cleaning back in 20 century.

originally posted by: saadad
Like one guy already write Fluoride have taken his toll. Just like I see on this topic.

For a fact we know that Fluoride can harm the human brain, study show it. But now some people (that had too much fluoride int heir life until now) say it is ok because some people over there said it is ok to consume x.xx amount of Fluoride.

I m sorry, but NO, I m not the idiot to take this crap. Why should I consume Fluoride and gamble if that scientist made a correct call on the safe amount? After all daily dosage is different for every country, so who is right?

Also, I will not feel like an idiot for 50 years like were people who used this for teeth cleaning back in 20 century.

Fluoride has been added to water for over 60 years, not including the high amounts in the untreated water in some locations. What gamble exactly do you think you are making that decades of science hasn't proven by now?

I'd like to know what information you have, contrary to all available science on the subject, that you are not sharing with us.

a reply to: superman2012

I m sure you don't see prove, but maybe if you get yourself off the fluoride, off the chemicals and other crap you put in your body maybe, then you will see some proves.

I can give you some hints, but I m sure you will not understand them:

WW2
Iraq
Afghanistan
Syria
1% of people have more money than the rest

Ohh I think I gave too many hints.

But I m no scientist, and I don't talk on CNN, so my saying is worthless. But maybe when/if you hear it on CNN you get yourself off the crap chemicals. And then maybe we can make a better living place without chemicals that are useless to population but very useful for the few.

originally posted by: zinc12
The solubility of gases decreases with increase of temperature, boiling water causes dissolved gases to outgass. Fluorine is a gas thus you just need to boil the water to get most of it out of the water.

They don't add fluorine to water, they add a fluoride salt. If you boil it you are just concentrating how much is in the water.

originally posted by: ShadowLink
a reply to: Chadwickus

Fluoride is fluoride, doesn't matter which country a study is done in or on who, the fact it's unhealthy remains.

No it's not. When the levels are waaaay above the acceptable levels in the US or Canada, then you know one has nothing to do with the other.

Water is safe, try drinking 5 gallons at a sitting.

Salt is safe in low doses, eat a pound of it and tell me what happens.

Fluoride is fluoride doesn't fit here, fear is fear does though. Maybe with a dash of not understanding.

originally posted by: saadad
a reply to: superman2012

I m sure you don't see prove, but maybe if you get yourself off the fluoride, off the chemicals and other crap you put in your body maybe, then you will see some proves.

I can give you some hints, but I m sure you will not understand them:

WW2
Iraq
Afghanistan
Syria
1% of people have more money than the rest

Ohh I think I gave too many hints.

But I m no scientist, and I don't talk on CNN, so my saying is worthless. But maybe when/if you hear it on CNN you get yourself off the crap chemicals. And then maybe we can make a better living place without chemicals that are useless to population but very useful for the few.

I don't drink fluoridated water. So where does that put us?
Do you check to make sure all of the food you eat, all the fluids you drink come from non-fluoridated areas? Didn't think so.
I don't need your hints, I have heard all those lies and misinformation before, thank you all the same.

If you fear fluoride so much, you might want to avoid some foods that have naturally occurring fluoride in them too, a quick google search will give you a list.

a reply to: superman2012

Fluoride has been added to water for over 60 years, not including the high amounts in the untreated water in some locations. What gamble exactly do you think you are making that decades of science hasn't proven by now?

Fluoride remains the only medical chemical added to a water, something everyone needs, as a medical treatment? Whether or not it's safe it doesn't make sense. Medical treatments are supposed to be given in correct doses, but how much one person absorbs is dependent on how much water they consume [in the case of fluoride].

It doesn't make sense from a scientific point of view or based on consistent logic. Otherwise we'd be adding all kinds of medicines and supplements to our water supply. We don't have that because people have a right to informed consent when taking medication.

Also it causes fluorosis. I would know, I have it. And while this is downplayed in peer review today, it is still admitted in any study that factors it in. They just add in convenient remarks that it's not a big deal, or some fluorosis happened with people who were not drinking optimized water.

Here's more to do with the that problem....

There seems to be a lot of ideology and politics behind the direction or conclusions people make in science today. Ideology and politics are the antithesis to scientific discovery.

The problem in science today is evident...

Irreproducible research poses an enormous burden: it delays treatments, wastes patients' and scientists' time, and squanders billions of research dollars. It is also widespread. An unpublished 2015 survey by the American Society for Cell Biology found that more than two-thirds of respondents had on at least one occasion been unable to reproduce published results.

Nature

When you factor in the lobbying of corporations into government policy, the total control they hold over where research dollars are going, or the political influence they have even in the 'independent' areas, and the ideology behind keeping up the status quo and then mix it all against the problems currently apparent in the scientific establishment, you have a major problem.

I used to pick apart the pushback to this problem, which is often more unscientific than what people are rallying against. Also based in ideology and politics. But attacking one while ignoring another doesn't address the concerns either.

The bottom line in the fluoride debate is it doesn't make sense giving people a medical treatment which has no correct dose and which will expose people to higher levels of the chemical should they choose to drink more water.

a Government of Canada report that suggested 41 per cent of young teen children suffered moderate to severe dental fluorosis

Especially when it's shown to cause an alternative medical condition.

If it does make sense, then we may as well start looking at adding multiple chemicals and medications that the entire population might use over its lifetime.

a reply to: boncho

Fluoride remains the only medical chemical added to a water, something everyone needs, as a medical treatment? Whether or not it's safe it doesn't make sense. Medical treatments are supposed to be given in correct doses, but how much one person absorbs is dependent on how much water they consume [in the case of fluoride].

Fluoride is not a medication, fluoride is a mineral used to prevent tooth decay. In such low doses as is present in water fluoridation, you would die of water toxicity before you would get minor skeletal fluorosis, or dental fluorosis, by drinking the amount needed for either.

It doesn't make sense from a scientific point of view or based on consistent logic. Otherwise we'd be adding all kinds of medicines and supplements to our water supply. We don't have that because people have a right to informed consent when taking medication.

It does make sense. If you took the time to understand why they decided to add it (help people prevent cavities) you would see that there is quite a bit of sense to be made in the understanding of it. Again, not a medication.

Also it causes fluorosis. I would know, I have it. And while this is downplayed in peer review today, it is still admitted in any study that factors it in. They just add in convenient remarks that it's not a big deal, or some fluorosis happened with people who were not drinking optimized water.

You have dental fluorosis or skeletal? Minor, or major? Are you brushing with fluoride as well? Fluoride rinse? What is the dosage in your drinking water? Making sure that all food and drink you consume are from non-fluoridated places? There are way too many variables to suggest that one (conveniently the one that has the most fear and little science behind it) is the cause over another. Others in your household having the same problem as you? If not, why do you suppose that is?

The bottom line in the fluoride debate is it doesn't make sense giving people a medical treatment which has no correct dose and which will expose people to higher levels of the chemical should they choose to drink more water.

While I can't argue for or against your statements before this one, it is not a medical treatment, it does have a correct dose and they would die before they started feeling the effects of fluoridated in properly dosed water fluoridation. It is all regulated, there is no way to skirt around lying about how much one is adding. Sure some people may try if they feel like it, but, they will get caught really quickly.

If it does make sense, then we may as well start looking at adding multiple chemicals and medications that the entire population might use over its lifetime.

There is no need. If people eat food, they should get enough vitamins and minerals that adding them to the water supply would do no good. Adding fluoride to it to aid people in not getting cavities has been proven time and again. I don't know why so many people are against helping people? Especially when not one person has died from properly dosed water fluoridation..

originally posted by: superman2012

originally posted by: pl3bscheese

originally posted by: Chadwickus
a reply to: pl3bscheese

If you have read them as you claim, then you'd know it's from water supplies with high levels of fluoride. Many times above what is recommended.

That's incorrect. The doses ranged from 6.7mg/l to 1.4mg/l. In the US you can have up to 1mg/l, and we now know the water supply companies jack with their results.

If you would have been honest, I wouldn't have bothered responding.

That's not true at all.

Water is strictly regulated and it is impossible to "fudge" any results. Again, knowledge takes a backseat to fear and rumors.

I'm sorry, what? Are you just trying to not make any sense here? You have absolutely no clue what my words were referring to in making such a statement.

Please try to actually read through the thread before making such an idiotic statement.

a reply to: Chadwickus

Oh so you consider calling out your lies "nitpicking". I see.

The whole lot of you are pathetic really. This petty bickering is not worth the efforts.

I'm done here.

originally posted by: pl3bscheese

originally posted by: superman2012

originally posted by: pl3bscheese

originally posted by: Chadwickus
a reply to: pl3bscheese

If you have read them as you claim, then you'd know it's from water supplies with high levels of fluoride. Many times above what is recommended.

That's incorrect. The doses ranged from 6.7mg/l to 1.4mg/l. In the US you can have up to 1mg/l, and we now know the water supply companies jack with their results.

If you would have been honest, I wouldn't have bothered responding.

That's not true at all.

Water is strictly regulated and it is impossible to "fudge" any results. Again, knowledge takes a backseat to fear and rumors.

I'm sorry, what? Are you just trying to not make any sense here? You have absolutely no clue what my words were referring to in making such a statement.

Please try to actually read through the thread before making such an idiotic statement.

My mistake. I must have misunderstood you when you were saying that they "jack" with their results. What exactly did you mean?
The Harvard Study was with high levels of naturally occurring fluoride. Nothing to do with water fluoridation which routinely takes out excess levels of fluoride down to acceptable levels.

Again, please accept my apology if I misunderstood you, but further clarification on your statement would be appreciated!

If you feel the need to condescend when someone makes a mistake, that clearly reflects your personality, not my post.

a reply to: superman2012

Now this is funny. You don't drink fluoride water, but you encourage people to do so. I see where you are going.

I m not fearing fluoride, like I said it is natural mineral everyone has it, like you said plants has it. I m fearing the people who like to use fluoride for their own gains. If the study shows that it is possible to hurt someone brain with fluoride then sure I don't trust anyone who is going to apply fluoride.

Also, did they make the test how much of a brain is influenced if you consume that artificial fluoride in small dosage?
Is it 1%, 0.01%? 0,00000000000001%?

How much of a percentage will satisfy you?

You see the way I think... I don't care; it is my brain I don't want to lose any neuron in my head.

originally posted by: superman2012

I love how the fearful jump on whatever bandwagon is tooting the loudest at the time. Where is the thread about the chemicals being added into plastics that are in this study too? lol Just because you don't understand something, doesn't mean you have to fear it or believe every NN article...

Why do you "Love" people in fear?

Did you know Israel recently banned fluoride in all of its drinking water?

Israel Bans Fluoride in it's Drinking Water

Health Minister Yael German announced last year that she planned to end the practice, but faced a wave of backlash. Undeterred, she said earlier this month that she had nevertheless decided to end the process effective Aug. 26, and to not even allow optional fluoridation in communities that support it.

While water fluoridation is not practiced in most of Europe or most countries worldwide, it has become widespread in the United States, Canada, Ireland, New Zealand and Australia, and a few others.

It remains contentious where it is practiced, especially outside of the United States; however, fluoridation was recently voted against in Portland, Ore. and Wichita, Kan., and controversy has flared up in major cities like Milwaukee and Cincinnati.

a reply to: syrinx high priest

Glorious!

a reply to: Metallicus

I don't believe any study that is not peer reviewed. Too much non peer reviewed studies are just nonsense.
And a little of something can be good while too much of it can be bad. By the way dental infections can lead to serious illness. Don't know if there is a peer reviewed study about that :-)
ilikemyteeth.org...