Did God Abandon Us?

a reply to: windword

Possible.

I'd guess at this point . . . it looks about 50/50 whether death or THE RAPTURE will occur first.

a reply to: BO XIAN

50/50? That's pretty optimistic, but I'll still take those odds against the rapture, and put my money on your death coming before Jesus' second coming.

a reply to: TheChuckster

Maybe our predecessors or superseded or even killed the creator.

Look at it this way once us Humans manage to build an AI that learns at an exponential rate, Humanity in its present form will become obsolete.

a reply to: windword

Not at the rate the oligarchy is rushing us toward Armageddon.

BTW, I assume you understand that

THE RAPTURE is NOT the same as

the 2nd Coming.

a reply to: BO XIAN

I stand by my bet.

Someone asked a question:

"Does science have any evidence that God doesn't exist?"

How do you prove nonexistence? If you do it by observing the fact of undetectability beyond all known means then YES, science does have evidence that God doesn't exist in the same way as Atlantis, aliens, the Holy grail and the Kingdom of the inner earth and reptilians.

That is the category God is in, scientifically.

But if you are not the type to let your imagination run your life and don't believe in mythology in the form of history called religion (because it is not history) the absolute best evidence FOR an intelligence in the universe that is responsible for existence.

The exactness of the laws of nature and the precision of the orbits of the Heavenly bodies down to the complex and similar operations of the atom and all the laws of science that govern the universe could not possibly be the result of anything random.

From what i understand, God is the hide and seek champion of all time.

originally posted by: Fisherr
From what i understand, God is the hide and seek champion of all time.

If god exists I think you are right.

It's actually my favorite aspect to the whole mystery of it all..

I seem to always be on the edge of having some answer, but it's never quite there..

I enjoy it anyway.

a reply to: ketsuko

None of us would remain steadfast in our own strength.

Learning to LEAN ON/IN HIM

seems to be a PROCESS.

TRUST AND OBEY
FOR THERE'S NO OTHER WAY
TO BE HAPPY IN JESUS
BUT TO TRUST AND OBEY.

Used to hate that song.

a reply to: windword

Have been thinking of my earlier, off the top of my head guesstimate . . .

I think maybe I'd more thoughtfully put it at 60/40 . . . more likely that I'll see The Rapture than die first.

Though . . . the pacemaker incident and pulse rate of 32-38 for 5 or so months sounded like it could have altered those odds dramatically the other direction. LOL.

a reply to: BO XIAN

Very Orwellian isn't it? mind you good brainwashing techniques there.

TRUST AND OBEY.
Like good little sheep.

a reply to: TheKnightofDoom

Sounds like you fail to understand GOD'S

construction on His being our good Shepherd

and us being HIS sheep.

We have to be connected with our SOURCE

to be thoroughly fulfilled and joy-filled.

Happy to be His sheep on such terms.

'Tis a LOT better than being slaves to the selfish ruthlessness of hedonism.

a reply to: TheChuckster
What God?

originally posted by: Shahada

Someone asked a question:

"Does science have any evidence that God doesn't exist?"

Science doesn't deal with the questions of existence.

It deals with things that can be measured.

If you can't "measure" it, then it's not part of science.

Now, by the very nature of God, at least our ideas of God, he must be outside of the measurable universe.

So, we can't measure God, therefore science can't say anything about him.

All science can tell us is "how God does things."

We can follow the steps of creation from cause to effect using a whole chain of measurements.

But all we can see are the intermediate causes and intermediate effects.

The first cause, and last effect, are outside our scope.

originally posted by: AMPTAH

originally posted by: Shahada

Someone asked a question:

"Does science have any evidence that God doesn't exist?"

Science doesn't deal with the questions of existence.

It tries. It invented a theory to offer an explanation of how we got here called the bib bang theory and then came up with evolution. Both create more questions than they answer and neither really answers anything or is provable or unprovable.

Everything that exists is questionable in some way so all science deals with is the question of existence everytime it figures something out or conducts an experiment.

It deals with things that can be measured.

If you can't "measure" it, then it's not part of science.

Simply not true.
95% of matter in the universe is undetectable to the technology we have and we are always trying to find the "invisible glue" that holds the universe together, dark matter and black holes. None of them being measurable.

Now, by the very nature of God, at least our ideas of God, he must be outside of the measurable universe.

So, we can't measure God, therefore science can't say anything about him.

All science can tell us is "how God does things."

We can follow the steps of creation from cause to effect using a whole chain of measurements.

But all we can see are the intermediate causes and intermediate effects.

The first cause, and last effect, are outside our scope.

Regardless of all that, science is still the best evidence of Intelligence in the design and creation of the infinite universe.

"God" might be presumptuous to call the Infinite One because it implies something conceivable that I don't think can be verbalized properly but for the time being we all have our own way of expressing...Creator?

The term God has a different meaning for different people. It is hard to have a discussion on a subject when it has a different definition by all the people discussing it. What I have found to be true, is that a majority of people have a simple, mainstream God concept. The all too often idea of God that is brought up, as being a guy in the sky, is juvenile.

a reply to: MrThortan

What I consider juvenile

is for mortals

to declare . . . particularly very emphatically . . .

that THEIR constructions and labels on reality and on

God

are SUPERIOR

to Almighty Yehovah God's own labels on reality and on Himself . . . as Father . . .

However, He has given a measure of free-will . . . so help yourself.

Time will tell how HE will respond to such . . . assertions.

originally posted by: BO XIAN
a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

Grieving is

NOT

the same as gloating.

Perhaps you need a new dictionary.

And the slam was not that clever.

interesting point that i want to delve a little deeper into. you know those really special people that take a tragedy and somehow alchemically transform it into the exact opposite? like a schoolyard shooting being turned into an omen, a condemnation of sin and vice. or they take the sole survivor of a plane crash and exalt it as proof of miracles in spite of the dozens of bodies still burning. the clever ones will toss out scripture and wisely explain it all as the ingenious designs of a protector. they will take advantage of grief and turn it into the gloating of divine righteousness. "there is a plan in everything" "the lord moves in mysterious ways" "they are in a better place now" go to a funeral and listen.

originally posted by: BO XIAN
a reply to: TheKnightofDoom

Sounds like you fail to understand GOD'S

construction on His being our good Shepherd

and us being HIS sheep.

We have to be connected with our SOURCE

to be thoroughly fulfilled and joy-filled.

Happy to be His sheep on such terms.

'Tis a LOT better than being slaves to the selfish ruthlessness of hedonism.

why be a sheep when there are so many delightful animals to learn from? why not a horse? or maybe a dolphin? or...an otter! lets go with otters. incidentally "selfish" and "ruthless" are two words that come to mind when i think of a certain figurative shepherd. definitely not as cool as dolphins.

originally posted by: BO XIAN
a reply to: ketsuko

None of us would remain steadfast in our own strength.

Learning to LEAN ON/IN HIM

seems to be a PROCESS.

TRUST AND OBEY
FOR THERE'S NO OTHER WAY
TO BE HAPPY IN JESUS
BUT TO TRUST AND OBEY.

Used to hate that song.

if you are going to peddle crutches to healthy townsfolk, first you have to break their legs. thats how the catholic church used to do it. the lord giveth, and the lord taketh away...

originally posted by: MrThortan
The term God has a different meaning for different people. It is hard to have a discussion on a subject when it has a different definition by all the people discussing it. What I have found to be true, is that a majority of people have a simple, mainstream God concept. The all too often idea of God that is brought up, as being a guy in the sky, is juvenile.

The old man with gray hair and a long beard who sits on a throne with created just to sing and worship him beings?

Juvenile doesn't begin to define that simplistic conception of "God."

I can at most concieve of a force that creates infinite life and under extreme circumstances but a personal knowable being who is Omnipotent has to answer for the presence of evil and I don't see that happening. Ever.