UFO pictures by Tom Delonge, are they new?

originally posted by: ThePeaceMaker
Why has this thread come up on ATS's Facebook page when it pretty much has no credibility at all

That's exactly why. The photos are debunked on the first page of the thread, and since he did an AMA here, people should know about this issue.

It's gonna take a good long while before the Blink 182 guy is my go-to for my UFO information. I'm trying to figure out how he got this much attention in Ufology in the first place, having, to date, produced nothing of note or insightful on the subject. He's just a celebrity that's interested in the topic, which doesn't amount to much.

originally posted by: SkepticOverlord

originally posted by: ThePeaceMaker
Why has this thread come up on ATS's Facebook page when it pretty much has no credibility at all

That's exactly why. The photos are debunked on the first page of the thread, and since he did an AMA here, people should know about this issue.

They are debunked as being "real alien UFOs" but not as being somehow relevant to TD's books and thesis.

He's not helping himself by throwing things out there without clear explanations of why, most certainly. I don't get the impression that he's worried about being misunderstood though, 'cause he's got his "big picture" figured out and we will all understand "in the end." It's annoying, yes, but not yet "debunked" imo.

Everyone wants to be the first to call someone out, it seems. TD had better up his game or it will be over before he manages to get to the punch line.

This just seems all too amateurish!!

For Tom deLong, if what he says is true, and he really has researched this issue deeply for the past 20 years (and i do believe he has, and got a big picture not so different from those of use who research properly) then he surely cannot be making these amateur mistakes....

i still gonna give him the benefit of the doubt.... more than that actually, i do believe he is calculated and reveals what he does for a purpose. i do not believe he is trying to decieve anyone. there is more to this!

a reply to: AboveBoard

Exactly.

TD (or whoever posted this on Instagram) doesn't indicate the images are "new" or revealing anything. Unfortunately that wasn't made clear enough. I would bet he didn't select the images either (I don't know that however).

I'd also add that he seeking out the casual or "NON researcher" demographic, but as soon as those people do a quick Google search they'll see the images have been debunked so it's not a good look, sadly.

a reply to: Springer

Hopefully he will adjust as he goes along and learn to accommodate the researcher-types as well.

It's a tough crowd. I can guarantee that no matter what he puts out there, unless it's somehow absolutely definitive, there will be those who claim he's spouting hogwash.

I'm going to let the man finish speaking before I judge what he has to say, personally. And that will require years of patience.

originally posted by: Kandinsky
Does the A51 disc image look right to you? Is the aspect ratio applicable to popular photographs or is it wrong and indicative of fakery?

It looks like a frame from a movie. The lighting in particular makes it look like an outdoor shoot, since they light the buildings to give it depth when there is no practical reason in real life to light buildings like that.

EDIT: I was late, but I was right again.

a reply to: AboveBoard

Indeed, he does face a tough crowd, as his AMA here on ATS showed.

It would be nice to see him answer his critics. It would certainly give me some hope that his 'big reveal' is more than simple hyperbole.

It's not looking good so far for Tom Delonge.

a reply to: cuckooold

It's not looking good so far for Tom Delonge.

No its not, especially with ATS members.

I give a Big



For the ATS crowd not getting star struck for the most part and being very skeptical and quickly identifying the pic as a fake.

As far as I know he really hasn't generated anything as of yet ,except this movie clip snapshot as a real sekeret machine.

Not looking good at all. Regardless It will be interesting to see the follow-up to this. so far its looking like a train wreck.

a reply to: Springer

out the casual or "NON researcher" demographic, but as soon as those people do a quick Google search they'll see the images have been debunked so it's not a good look, sadly.

I think it's more dangerous to be sending out bunk pics to the "non researcher" demographic, does more harm than good.

a reply to: zazzafrazz

Yeah, its kind of a bummer.

I don't like being put in the position to have to give him the benefit of the doubt to this degree. He could have been less "mysterious" and more forthcoming as to why he put out (or someone put out on his behalf) those pics which are so obviously rife with problems (unless they fit into a puzzle of which we are not aware).

My impression of Mr. DeLonge is that he is probably very smart and thinks VERY FAST and keeps a LOT of information in his head, and is somewhat impulsive, and that he is so used to "short text media" like twitter and instagram that putting out a complete explanation is not second nature. I noticed that during the AMA - his answers read like tweets.

I'm guessing he doesn't see where he needs to slow down and make sure he's not just throwing things out there that, to him, make perfect sense, but to your average UFO researcher, look...well...misguided, to say the least. Perhaps he needs someone to help him with this...

So...in case you are reading this thread, Mr. DeLonge, with all due respect...

Come on! Help us help you...give us the good stuff if you have it...don't make this so freaking difficult. People who have been researching as long as you have, if not longer, are paying attention, for now. (Some will trash you no matter what, but you know that.)

We all want to know what you claim to know, you have stoked a little bit of hope for some of us, so...step it up, please.

Take the time to explain what you are doing and what you are putting out there or it will be unceremoniously shredded by researchers who, alternately, could become your allies.

At some point, those of us cutting you slack will simply give up. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and nothing is more extraordinary than UFO/UAP and related "paranormal" topics (not to mention "gods"). Thank you.

= AB

a reply to: AboveBoard

I am really enjoying your contribution to the UFO forum lovely lady.

I tend to disagree with you on a minor matter, I don't agree he is that bright, but I don't know him personally.

I think he is disconnected from the reality of peer research. The world of a celeb is insanity and quite surreal. There is a separation from how people truly treat each other in the entertainment world. Sure they may get insulting tweets, most don't read them, in fact most celebs have someone else doing their tweeting, but in day to day, they have people pretty much sucking up to them. All day, everyday.

I'm not having a go at him for being famous, more so I am just highlighting he hasn't worked in the UFO world like the rest of us. We are a tough crowd.

a reply to: zazzafrazz

Why thank you, zazz. I'm always happy to see you here!!

You may be right. I guess I'm seeing in him something that reminds me of people I know who are very intelligent but totally ADD. I'm not a Blink fan so I'm not star-struck, just concerned that he'll get his baby thrown out with the bath water (assuming there is a baby and not a plastic doll) if he's not more careful and forthcoming. If he's got good info, that would be bad form.

This is a tough crowd. And pretty unforgiving. Rightfully so if he's taking us for a ride (and not in a real Sekret Machine). Hell hath no fury...

a reply to: Blue Shift

I was right too, if it means anything lol.

a reply to: zazzafrazz

I've spent hours with him face to face and on the phone, he is really bright. To be honest, I had no idea who he was when I was introduced to him (I'm an old fogey) so I assure you I'm not start struck in the least, he's just a really smart young fella. I'd also disagree about his "working on the UFO phenom like the rest of us", he actually has.

I also believe (based on conversations with him) that he has a tiny, tiny, team (maybe two people at most) who have told me they are not "UFOlogy experts" that are handling the web side of things for him, I suspect that this was all an honest "mistake".

I put quotes around mistake because if you read the post, sans the desire to win a "gotcha!", it never indicated these were new images or even real images and the demographic he's going for won't care either way. They were an "eye catcher" on a very busy social media hub.

I'm giving Tom the benefit of the doubt because I believe he is genuine in his expressed goal, he's being honest, and I KNOW this is not merely a marketing ploy to sell books or records. Even if it were simply a marketing ploy he'd never see a ROI on the personal money he's funded all this with.

Time will tell if his contacts are giving him the goods or not, and until that reveal, I will avoid condemnation of the project.

originally posted by: Kandinsky
I was right too, if it means anything lol.

If I don't pat myself on the back, who's gonna?

a reply to: Springer

Thank you for that.



I am all for waiting to see his big picture. I think it's premature to call it all bunk. Perhaps I was harsh in saying he should step up his game, but it's more that I'm afraid he will be trash-binned before he makes his point.

AB

@Agnost: Thanks a lot! You were the first one to spot and point out my mistake in the OP.

I apologize: Nowhere has Tom DeLonge stated that he got these pictures from his insider sources. My original statement "which he claims are from his government/insider sources" is false!! A mix of wishful thinking, insufficient command of the English language and haste on my hand has led me to make this mistake.

About the last thing I wanted to do is to hurt Tom's reputation.

@AboveBoard: I think your analysis is spot on: My impression of Mr. DeLonge is that he is probably very smart and thinks VERY FAST and keeps a LOT of information in his head, and is somewhat impulsive, and that he is so used to "short text media" like twitter and instagram that putting out a complete explanation is not second nature.

I am embarrassingly old and not a fan of social media at all. For me the subject of extraterrestrial influence on earth is of tremendous importance for the future of our planet and our survival as a species. It deserves precise and responsible communication. So, yes, I hope that Tom DeLonge (or his team) will be a bit more specific in future statements on social media. People from all over the world are going to read this and they may misread such short texts just like I did.

Slow disclosure through art may have been the plan all along. It would not surprise me if Spielberg's work (including Taken) was influenced by circles who wanted to prepare humanity for a new reality. So it makes a lot of sense that Tom DeLonge follows in these footsteps. The Amazon reviews for the first fiction book Sekret Machines Book 1: Chasing Shadows are excellent (I wish I had the time to read it). So Tom of course knows what great communication is, he just handles social media differently.

But then again, for people like me, the nonfiction book by Peter Levenda will be the most interesting stuff. Let us not forget that it is Tom DeLonge who also makes these nonfiction publications possible. We will have to wait for that material to come out before we can judge fairly.

Thanks to all for your feedback, for assisting with the pictures and even offering your help with the English language!

To end, here is a good interview with Tom DeLonge where he explains his plans and intentions. Personally, I still have hopes that this could be it. Finally.

originally posted by: Agnost

originally posted by: SacredLore
Tom Delonge has published two UFO pictures on Instagram which he claims are from his government/insider sources.

Tom: Yesterday I was given the big picture by my top two advisers. SEKRET MACHINES has important history to teach. (from Tom's Twitter account)

I think the "big picture" he refers to is more like "the big story". He then posts just a random UFO picture as an illustration, he might just as well have posted a drawing. He actually does not say his advisers gave him these 2 pictures.

That being said, I still think he has to come with extraordinary evidence to back his claims. High ranking anonymous officials are not on my list of evidence. But they might work to boost book and documentary sales, though.

Cheers!

a reply to: Springer

so I assure you I'm not start struck in the least, he's just a really smart young fella. I'd also disagree about his "working on the UFO phenom like the rest of us", he actually has.

Mark, I wasn't implying you were star struck my dear, I meant people around an entertainer create a different reality for them, I see this everyday , won't be swayed on that.

If you say he is clever, then that's good enough for me.

Regarding working like the rest of us, I meant as part of a group like us who are hard core believers and debunkers and skeptics, having our thoughts or works pulled apart piece by piece

It 'aint the same, and please know I hope he does well with this, provided he isn't having his chain yanked.

a reply to: ThePeaceMaker

It would be interesting to know how people find there way to this site, imo Facebook isnt it... I would bet most people discover the site after seeing something on TV and decide to see what the search engines pull up for Roswell, Rendleshem, or Belgium. Then someone might decide to go check out the Facebook page, at least for those that are Facebook inclined, personally I dont get it..