UFO pictures by Tom Delonge, are they new?

a reply to: AboveBoard

I don't consider you gullible.

But a lot of people are gullible.

I've certainly been gullible myself, quite a number of times.

That said.

There is a little "magic" in the world (cool, but still misunderstood science)

And I hope that I never become a cynic and get a closed mind.

A mind which is "too open" is the same error as a mind which is "too closed".

But by all appearances, mr. Delonge's handlers are awfully lazy and incompetent.

It's really sad that government UFO psyoppery has degraded from the cold war "Golden age of psyoppery". It's no longer good entertainment.

Kev

Free enterprise and capitalism, based on a quote by P T Barnum....

There's a sucker born every minute

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear


We are all capable of being gullible, or wrong. It happens!

Perhaps you are right. Perhaps he is too open-minded and is being "psyopped" in the hopes others will be "psyopped."
It could happen.

There is a danger in thinking that we have the "only" and "correct" answer based on our research. Anyone could fall into that trap and find themselves, no matter their intelligence, mired in the tangled web of the UFO phenomenon.

You have judged his assumed 'handlers' as being incompetent and lazy. So you have already judged him and whatever he has to say as false, I'm taking it. Much of what he has to say hasn't come out yet.

Let's be honest. It doesn't matter WHAT he says or what information he puts out there, as far as ATS is concerned or the internet in general, there will be a contingent of people who simply disagree, and others who take it to the level of sarcasm and mockery. Anyone who puts out a book (for the most part, with the exception of those who are considered "serious" researchers) is trying to make money or gain followers or is a tool of TPTB, and so on.

At least that's what I see from my years here.

I'm simply trying not to let the foreknowledge of this derision make me completely jaded and cynical, which it could if I let it. (And yes, there are things out there that are put forth as truth that are simply ridiculous...I know that!)

As for Mr. DeLonge, my jury is still out and will be for a while yet. That's just how I roll...

I think we are missing the point. This specific OP doesn't call into the issue of if any one is open minded, closed minded, a debunker, or believer . ( I consider myself a very skeptical believer)

It's about a public figure using his far reaching social media means to pass off known fictional photos as hard proof of alien tech, THE GREATEST DISCOVERY IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND. That is how I interpret Delonge posting those photos. He is personally trying to take credit for disclosure of THE GREATEST DISCOVERY IN THE HISTORY OF MAN.

I don't think Delonge intentions are malicious but with his far reaching social media venues and loyal music fans, once it come out that these are fake, and or all his UFO ventures are fake it's just another blow to getting HARD SCIENTIFIC TESTING AND ANALYSIS INTO THIS GENRE.

a reply to: Paddyofurniture


The point of "this" and everything like "this" since the 1940's is to prevent
rational study and to sell a fake bill of goods --- namely that there are aliens
inside nuts and bolts craft visiting Earth.

There are multiple groups of powerful folks who have been pushing this
cover story... really since the late 1800's, if you include the Theosophists.

"This" is working splendidly, right according to plan.

My comments about keeping an open mind were in reference to there being
ANYTHING anomalous-appearing in the world. Which I say that there is..
but they aren't "UFOs". They never have been. They probably never will
be. Now "UAPs" --- sure. They seem to have been here since the beginning
of time. Whatever they are exactly.

"UFOs" are the cover story for "UAPs". It's "UAPs" that need to be "disclosed".
Of course the government doesn't really understand those either.

"UFOs" are the magician's wand.. skillfully flourished to keep our attention
misdirected away from government (and other organization) misconduct
and the 'actual phenomenon' which shadowy organizations have been
attempting to understand and control (and cover-up) since forever.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

"UFOs" are the magician's wand.. skillfully flourished to keep our attention misdirected away from government (and other organization) misconduct and the 'actual phenomenon' which shadowy organizations have been attempting to understand and control (and cover-up) since forever.

Who? Skull and Bones, Bohemian Grove, Masons, The Aviary, etc.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

But what if there are, in addition to the things you speak of, "nuts and bolts craft?"

I don't have a dog in that fight and I don't know the answer. But I am curious. I make no assumptions and have eliminated no possibilities yet. I'm not against your ideas and conclusions being the final answer, but I'm not embracing them as truth because I do not feel they are adequately proved YET. To me.

For me, the Mystery is "still out there." For you it is solved, or at least you feel you know the underpinnings of the mystery.

With all the confusion out there, it mystify's me as to how anyone can be truly confident in one answer or another, but again, that's just me. I know you well enough now to know that you have your North Star and your direction is fixed.

Me? I'm still slogging along, putting my finger to the wind and staring up at cloudy skies, hoping they clear someday. I envy your certainty, but I cannot join you in it at this time. (If it turns out you are correct, well, then, I'll be happy to get in the same boat.)

So I entertain ideas, look for the occasional Lighthouse and hope it is not an illusion, distracting me in the fog. (Perhaps it is a will=o=wisp, one of those "light critters!") That is where my interest in TD comes along. He's got sources, according to Springer, that I don't have access to. Cool! Will it blow up in his face? We shall see...

Peace to you, Kev! Wish me luck in my navigational efforts...

- AB

a reply to: olaru12

I don't have all the answers.

When solving a puzzle you can go in one of two directions:

1) Effects back to causes
2) Causes forward to effects.

I can't pontificate on ultimate causes.
But the effects are now so caricatured
That one can surmise quite a lot.

Fyi, if I were you, I'd take "the Aviary" off your list of the ususal suspects. Most of those guys are either dead or extremely old, and never really did more than a fraction of what the urban legends say.

My 2 cents.

a reply to: interupt42

the money angle has to be dismissed cause it would be like walking out of a job on wall street to go and work in your corner shop,
that is basically what he has done by deciding he doesn't want to be a rock star but would rather enter into a career as an Alien hunter.
If it were about the money he would have milked blink 182 dry first (they are a pretty big deal!)

a reply to: AboveBoard

The disinformation is painfully obvious.

That's what I am discussing.

Are there nuts and bolts aliens flying around 5 galaxies over?

Maybe.

But all evidence points to them never having made it to Earth.

I discuss the predominant factors in play.

Nuts and bolts don't make the short list.

Thats all I am saying.

Kev

a reply to: AboveBoard

For me, the Mystery is "still out there." For you it is solved, or at least you feel you know the underpinnings of the mystery.

Well, I don't make any claims to know what the mystery is but if you are willing to get your hands dirty on your "navigational" quest of high strangeness.... I can take you to a local that can "open" your eyes a little.

www.ourstrangeplanet.com...


If TD would spend some time there, then tell us of his experience...I would give him a lot more credibility. Rather than posting up bogus pics...I'm beginning to question his agenda.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Fyi, if I were you, I'd take "the Aviary" off your list of the ususal suspects.

I'm not so sure , they could be in the frame.
In an article on the Exopolitics website they say DeLonge started on his current path after he was asked to speak at a corporate event honoring the head of a major aerospace company , DeLonge agreed as long as he could speak to the person in question for five minutes , the request was granted.

The corporate official was so impressed by DeLonge’s pitch that he initiated an extraordinary set of meetings with other senior officials, who eventually decided to support his “full disclosure” project. In Sekret Machines, DeLonge describes what happened next:

I could argue that the major aerospace company was Bigelow Aerospace and of course the head is Mr Bigelow (NIDS)

The corporate official was so impressed by DeLonge’s pitch that he initiated an extraordinary set of meetings with other senior officials, who eventually decided to support his “full disclosure” project. In Sekret Machines, DeLonge describes what happened next:

I’ve had meetings in mysterious rooms far out in the desert. I’ve had meetings at the highest levels of NASA. I have had conversations at research centers, think tanks, and even on the phone connected to secret facilities.I’ve been introduced to a man whom I call “the Scientist,” and another whom I call “the General.”
exopolitics.org...

I wouldn't rule out the usual suspects to quickly , I hear the faint flapping of wings.
I know Owls flap their wings but do Penguins ?

a reply to: gortex

That whole Aviary thing is pure B.S.

I won't dispute that mr. Bigelow has exotic interests and god knows what he's really up to, other than inflatable space habitats and weird inflatable air frames.

Now you can bring up Skinwalker ranch, but the purpose of the research on that place is also much less exciting than the urban legend versions.

Kev

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: gortex

That whole Aviary thing is pure B.S.

I won't dispute that mr. Bigelow has exotic interests and god knows what he's really up to, other than inflatable space habitats and weird inflatable air frames.

Now you can bring up Skinwalker ranch, but the purpose of the research on that place is also much less exciting than the urban legend versions.

Kev

What is your impression of the SLV? The only way I can describe my experience is "spiritual" and very confusing.

a reply to: olaru12

I've never been there, but I would find it likely that there are locations which have increased incidence of anomalous incidents due to various factors.

That's my experience anyway.

Kev

a reply to: olaru12

I'm familiar with this place from a research standpoint, though I've only driven through it on family trips and such in the past.

Yep. Wierd stuff abounds in the world. I don't deny that!!

I doubt I'd want to spend time there "looking for trouble" as I just might find it.

originally posted by: AboveBoard
a reply to: olaru12

I'm familiar with this place from a research standpoint, though I've only driven through it on family trips and such in the past.

Yep. Wierd stuff abounds in the world. I don't deny that!!

I doubt I'd want to spend time there "looking for trouble" as I just might find it.

I have spent a lot of time in the valley and other majic locals.

There are all sorts of high strangeness in the SLV, from fear and loathing to redemption. What you find there depends on many factors.

KPB I get it. We are but an infant trying to take hand written notes In a theoritical physics class that is spoken in an unknown language. What UAPs are is a discussion for a different time. What chaps my a$$ is a rich , famous , musician acting like he knows what UAPs are. Stating that he is special to be blessed by the POWERS THAT BE to be the the conduit for disclosure. I don't know sh!€, but I do know I have read more and researched more than this guy. He's making the genre look like a joke. Just when I thought a serious study from a funded scientific team was possible, this joker comes along. a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: AboveBoard
a reply to: olaru12

I'm familiar with this place from a research standpoint, though I've only driven through it on family trips and such in the past.

Yep. Wierd stuff abounds in the world. I don't deny that!!

I doubt I'd want to spend time there "looking for trouble" as I just might find it.

I have spent a lot of time in the valley and other majic locals.

There are all sorts of high strangeness in the SLV, from fear and loathing to redemption. What you find there depends on many factors.

Are there known ley lines in the area? Like the Rose line through Europe an the UK?

Just curious. An experience of high strangeness of the redemptive kind happened for me on the Rose line... ??

originally posted by: Davg80
a reply to: interupt42

the money angle has to be dismissed cause it would be like walking out of a job on wall street to go and work in your corner shop,
that is basically what he has done by deciding he doesn't want to be a rock star but would rather enter into a career as an Alien hunter.
If it were about the money he would have milked blink 182 dry first (they are a pretty big deal!)

While it may appear to be a silly endeavor, it is not.

There could be numerous movie deals associated to his books depending on its success. It could easily surpass his current wealth.

Which BTW is a goal he mentioned in older interviews.