Shooting heard in Ankara, military jets & helicopters flying over city

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
Since when are judges part of the military? Won't see any cutting edge reporters asking that question on the MSM broadcasts.

For clarification: I do not think think anybody is counting those 2,700+ "judges" as part of the 3,000 "military" also detained. It's in addition to the military detained. So, yes. Very much a reason for concern.

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I believe a Turkish slogan was held up somewhere today that basically translated to "what is going on", I guess that would also apply to the nuclear base incident, can these nukes be transported places? I'm no expert.

You all really believe this was a planned coup and not an amatuer theater?

Who does a coup at 22:30 at night? Its summer everyone is out. You do it at 4:00 in the morning when everyone is asleep and take them offguard.

Taken over one tv station? You should block ALL media mediums. You block every communication. Tv,radio,social,net works. Before mr.E made his speech no one was out in the streets. Well thats what you should aim for.

If you want to make a succesful coup you take hostage multiple high political/military personel and defenetly person of interest who have high persuation on the public.

Tanks and closed bridges? What year is this? The 70's? Who does that?

Am i the only one who saw SCARED and Lost 18 year olds fighting for the coup?

You really want me to believe that the high military personel who led the coup and are part of the second biggest army..... dont know how to manage and make correct tactics for a succesfull coup?? Really are they so bad at their job* that they dont know the basics?

Common people. This was one bad theater organised by mr E for his own benefits. He will reform now Turkey they way he always wanted to. 2700+ judges realesed? Hmm nothing fishy here.

Turkey = master of propaganda.

As a Cypriot (turkey invated Cyprus in 1974 and our half island is still occoupied by them) i am feeling sorry for the young kids who were send as sheeps for a fake coup...without even knowing they will be part of one. They were told this was a drill. I am feeling sorry on what they will do to them behind closed doors.

GOD help us all as our future appears to be doomed.

a reply to: G1Surrey

Sounds about right to me.

originally posted by: G1Surrey

Common people. This was one bad theater organised by mr E for his own benefits. He will reform now Turkey they way he always wanted to. 2700+ judges realesed? Hmm nothing fishy here.

Turkey = master of propaganda.

I don't know if you read this whole thread but a bunch of posters were coming to this conclusion last night on their own, myself included.

Tres fishy.

You wrote that people were told it was a drill.

That could be why as I watched the live stream from RT last night, early on I saw some people in the street crowd laughing.

.. all sanctioned by the "Western" powers .. nothing to see here .. it's coming to you pretty soon anyway ...

worst case scenario: Turkey breaks relations with the US because "US supported coup", as Kerry already warned bilateral relations will suffer of such statements. Then Turkey takes hold on Incirlic base, announcing it is Turkish property without diplomatic immunity. After meaningless negotiations, Erdogan allows only the US soldiers to leave the base, leaving behind everything including the 90 nuclear bombs. Turkey becomes nuclear power overnight, and one that is ready to use nuclear weapons in real situation. Then, you choose the target. It may vary from Russia to Damascus. Any prophecies involved?

I think earlier Erdogan himself mentioned at the start of the crisis that the coup is actually a blessing that will help to "cleanse" the country and its institutions. This statement in itself could indicate towards a stage managed incident orchestrated by the ruling party and the leadership to strike at the remaining bastions of possible opposition in armed forces and the judiciary.

a reply to: order in chaos

Thats supported by Erdogan's later statements that the military was not alone in the coup and that other departments were also a part of it. Shortly after 2700 judges are dismissed and today we saw over 100 top judges were also dismissed.

Erdogan staged his own coup and now he's holding Incirlik airbase with 1500 Americans and 50 tactical nukes hostage.

a reply to: 2012newstart

Well, Incirlik means "Fig Tree Grove" in the Turkish Language. It reminded me of some bible prophecy about Israel.

originally posted by: 2012newstart
worst case scenario: Turkey breaks relations with the US because "US supported coup", as Kerry already warned bilateral relations will suffer of such statements. Then Turkey takes hold on Incirlic base, announcing it is Turkish property without diplomatic immunity. After meaningless negotiations, Erdogan allows only the US soldiers to leave the base, leaving behind everything including the 90 nuclear bombs. Turkey becomes nuclear power overnight, and one that is ready to use nuclear weapons in real situation. Then, you choose the target. It may vary from Russia to Damascus. Any prophecies involved?

The USA would never agree to such terms.

Nor would they have too.

The round ups have just begun.Where will they end? And E. demanding the extradition of Fethullah Gulen from the US.He's not gonna get that.Next,he's gonna demand the extradition of the president.

a reply to: 2012newstart

Incirlik IS Turkish base, they own it, not NATO or the US.

a reply to: 2012newstart

The prophecy is that Russia invades Turkey.

Is it possible that Erdogan feared a real coup (whether orchestrated from Russia or the US) and decided to beat them to it with his own fake coup so he could purge.

He will do whatever he wants to do to silent anyone against him.

Next: mass graves.

He is the next Adolf Hitler..

From a Turkish friend early this morning:
"First army go bridges in İstanbul . They said they go For a Training. Test. But commander send them For coup.
But not all army. Some army doesnt know this plan. Chief of Army doesnt know. And one commander went his place and take him as hostage... These army occupy his place and send many soldiers a mail. " go out soldiers. All of you are fired by goverment. Army tried to take control of goverment. " etc
And some army personels went to TRT, turkish channel. They take as hostage channel personels. And they are talking in TV "army take a control. People go out the street." President Erdogan connect another channel with 3G video talk. He said he is in plane and he is going to airport. He said "Army wants to take control. But you cant. I want all people go out the streets and stop army. Only army cant take control of government. Civil people select us. If civil people doesnt want,they doesn't choose us and we go away. These army personels are terrorist. Not all army are tried to control of country. Only some army personels. Army cant order people. Army cant say 'stay at home' to people.."
Some Army personels wanted people stay in home. and they planned who is president, who is chief of army. They planned to kill real president and prime minister and chief of army .
People remembered 1980 which army took down goverment and took control of country. It was bad days. People couldn't go out in these days. And People doesn't want these days again and they go out to stop army
Some people hate president. but they go out too. They don't want army took control.
The biggest corps; First corps and second corps' commander said "we are not joining these people. We don't want to take down goverment who people select. We don't want to be politic, we are here to save our people and country. I order all soldiers come back. All F16 come back. if they don't come back, they will be enemy. We will shot all planes which don't come back."
And Police , civil people battle with these soldiers who want to take control of country. 161 people and police died. These soldiers are small group in army. They are terrorist. They get order from Pennsylvania. Fetullah Gülen is in there who we accept he is terrorist, use religion and want to power.
Fetullah Gülen wants a battle in Turkey and kill President, kill prime minister, kill chief of army to take control.
People tried to stop soldiers in Ankara. İn istanbul too.
Some bad soldiers kill people. They attacked our parliament, F16 drop bombs to Parliament.
Some armies are confused when they see people and they don't want to hit them. They drop guns and leave guns.
we hear planes and we see helicopters shot . special operations team of Police; do operation and save Chief of Commander. And they take control of event.
if all army joined to this coup, these soldiers could be success. But Big armies didn't join. Big armies' commanders said soldiers "go back. This order is not ours. This order is from terrorist. "
In morning, 2847 sodiers are arrested.
161 civil people and police died. 1500 people injured
but these people save our democracy.
and we are celebrating Democracy Victory.
I hope i can explain
I hope I could explain.
we are in safe. it was big event and People showed "Army can't take control. Civil People can change goverment if they don't want. Noone can forbid us to leave our street. "
all Member of Parliament from different politic parties, condemned the incident. They said "Democracy should continue, Army can't take control of country."
We are angry and sad our parliament building shotted and bombed 7 times. Police building bombed. Police school bombed
anyway. Civil People show power and We are saying, We are not Egypt we are not Syria.
There will be not battle in here. No soldiers can order us. Soldiers should save us from terrorists. they should save us from other countries' army.
we protect our selection rights.
if people don't like goverment, they can choose other parties in election.
Of course government is not innocent too.
But if we want to change government we have election to do this.
And we hate tanks in streets and planes F16 fly over city. And people went out.."

I'm sorry for his english seems to be worst than mine, but i hope you do understand what he is saying.

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So I guess the only thing left to do now is stage a REAL coup!

...before things get really bad!

ETA...Then again...what difference, at this point, does it make?

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: 2012newstart

The prophecy is that Russia invades Turkey.

which prophecy though. I thought of Isaiah of Damascus destroyed in one night or so. Many thought of Israel fulfilling it. How about contemporary Turkey.

Erdogan cannot qualify for the king of the north in Daniel. Still he could do enough mess before being taken out by history. Yes I agree for the fuhrer comparison for lack of better one.