BLM Begins "Campaign Zero"

a reply to: In4ormant

That isn't an answer to my question. It is just a cop-out.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Since you think that violent criminals should walk-I am VERY glad that you aren't a police officer.

Dallas Chief has a plan...

"We're hiring," Brown said. "Get off that protest line and put an application in." "We’ll put you in your neighborhood, and we’ll help you resolve some of the problems you’re protesting about,” he continued.

Put your ass where your mouth is BLM, you want white folks to fix you, or are you going to do that for yourselves and your people?

Whites let you down, you think they are going to straighten up suddenly because you have a petition?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: In4ormant

That isn't an answer to my question. It is just a cop-out.

That's rich.

It would create a surveillance state. If you want that then move somewhere else.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: TinfoilTP

End the war on petty larceny!

Right? Amirite?!?

Free Swisher Sweets for the masses?

originally posted by: Picklesneeze
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Since you think that violent criminals should walk-I am VERY glad that you aren't a police officer.

No I think that criminals should be arrested and given their day in court like the Constitution demands, not executed in the streets.

Instead of the hundreds of millions, that would ultimately end up as a federalized police force. . . . just have BLM members start doing community policing.

Then NO ONE could complain!

Costs would be minimal, and everyone is happy.

Next week I'll solve the problem of world hunger, but I think this is good for now.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Picklesneeze
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Since you think that violent criminals should walk-I am VERY glad that you aren't a police officer.

No I think that criminals should be arrested and given their day in court like the Constitution demands, not executed in the streets.

Which ones?

originally posted by: In4ormant

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: In4ormant

That isn't an answer to my question. It is just a cop-out.

That's rich.

It would create a surveillance state. If you want that then move somewhere else.

Create a surveillance state? You say that like one doesn't already exist. You are being survailed. Right now. By someone. Possibly a government agency. Possibly a corporation. It's just a facet of life at this point.

Who Watches the Watchmen? Do you really trust a police officer's word against your word in a court of law with no other evidence? I certainly don't.

a reply to: DBCowboy

I am just glad it is not 2010 or Obama would try to appoint a BLM czar...

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Then why do we need cop cameras?

originally posted by: Butterfinger
Dallas Chief has a plan...

"We're hiring," Brown said. "Get off that protest line and put an application in." "We’ll put you in your neighborhood, and we’ll help you resolve some of the problems you’re protesting about,” he continued.

Put your ass where your mouth is BLM, you want white folks to fix you, or are you going to do that for yourselves and your people?

Whites let you down, you think they are going to straighten up suddenly because you have a petition?

It's the simplest, most common sense ideas that will get absolutely no where.



I wonder how many will or would sign up for policing in their own communities?

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: DBCowboy

I am just glad it is not 2010 or Obama would try to appoint a BLM czar...

Too late.

Loretta Lynch.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: In4ormant

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: In4ormant

I'm not lumping all police into anything. I'm saying that we should keep an eye on them because I pay their paychecks. That will go a long way to rooting out the bad police. What is it that the government always says to us? If you aren't doing anything wrong then you won't have anything to worry about.

900k LEO's gonna wear live feed cameras to try and curb the .001% of them that are bad? You want almost a million cameras policing the US people?

I do believe you are residing in the wrong country.

Sure. What's wrong with that?

I guess it would be quite an expensive thing to do to solve a non issue.

You are from the UK, why do you believe this is a non-issue? Have you even been here long enough to know if this is a problem or not? I HIGHLY doubt that you have enough experience within the states to comment on this issue.

Do body cameras change how police interact with the public?

Key findings:

Officers who did not wear body cameras conducted more “stop-and-frisks” and made more arrests than officers who wore the video cameras. Officers who did not wear cameras performed 9.8% more stop-and-frisks and made 6.9% more arrests.
Officers assigned to wear cameras issued 23.1% more citations for ordinance violations than those who did not wear cameras.
Officers with body cameras initiated 13.5% more interactions with citizens than those who did not wear them.
Officers wearing cameras were 25.2% more likely to perceive the devices as being helpful during their interactions with the public.
The cameras did not have a significant impact on whether or not officers gave verbal warnings to citizens.

The study indicates that police officers were more cautious and risk averse when wearing body cameras. The authors suggest that the reason that camera-wearing officers may have made fewer arrests and conducted fewer stop-and-frisks was because they thought more carefully about criminal policy and procedures. With video evidence, there is the potential for greater scrutiny by supervisors or members of the public. The researchers note that a possible reason why officers with cameras wrote more citations was because they were worried they might be reprimanded for not issuing tickets when video evidence showed that a citizen had violated an ordinance or traffic law. Ready and Young’s work offers insights that they think will be useful to law enforcement agencies as they decide whether to use this technology. “Police executives may support new technology that brings greater accountability and less civil liability, but line officers focus on how it may limit their use of discretion in the field,” the authors state. “Empirical support showing that OVCs [On-officer Video Cameras] can help departments achieve their goals will reduce the time needed for this technology to gain legitimacy. Our findings represent a preliminary step in that direction.”

We've been down this route before - I have enough direct experience to have a view.

I think the issue is simple, clouded by emotion and entrenchment.

Disparity in society means blacks do not get a fair deal (I believe this to be true form my travels all across the US for work and play) = higher instances of poverty and poorer living conditions = more strain on families and relationships = less guidance = proportionally more crime = proportionally more run ins with police = more instances of police over reaction.

That is a general path but in essence I believe it to be true. For the life of me I can't figure out why BLM are so focused on the last point when it is a consequence not a root cause of the raw deal black people get in America.

Spending a $1bn on video cameras and management for the entire police force seems like a waste of money. Blaming the police seems like a waste of energy and thought.

If these people really cared about black lives they would represent the many black people who have already articulated that issue is farther up the chain of events that clashes with police. Absent fathers is one of the biggest issues and plays to the families, relationship and guidance points I made above.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: In4ormant

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: In4ormant

That isn't an answer to my question. It is just a cop-out.

That's rich.

It would create a surveillance state. If you want that then move somewhere else.

Create a surveillance state? You say that like one doesn't already exist. You are being survailed. Right now. By someone. Possibly a government agency. Possibly a corporation. It's just a facet of life at this point.

Who Watches the Watchmen? Do you really trust a police officer's word against your word in a court of law with no other evidence? I certainly don't.

Oh no, another Big Brother post.

You speak from a position of fear and, as is normal, jump straight to absolutes.
Some cops are bad, monitor them All

You speak of Big Brother at the same time advocating it. Odd

originally posted by: UKTruth
We've been down this route before - I have enough direct experience to have a view.

Who is "we"? You have a mouse in your pocket? Because "we" certainly doesn't include me as you and I haven't discussed this before.

I think the issue is simple, clouded by emotion and entrenchment.

Disparity in society means blacks do not get a fair deal (I believe this to be true form my travels all across the US for work and play) = higher instances of poverty and poorer living conditions = more strain on families and relationships = less guidance = proportionally more crime = proportionally more run ins with police = more instances of police over reaction.

That is a general path but in essence I believe it to be true. For the life of me I can't figure out why BLM are so focused on the last point when it is a consequence not a root cause of the raw deal black people get in America.

Spending a $1bn on video cameras and management for the entire police force seems like a waste of money. Blaming the police seems like a waste of energy and thought.

Just look at statistics of UK police officers killing suspects versus American police killing suspects. I believe you guys had one fatality last year. CLEARLY something more is going on here and cameras are a good way to get to the bottom of this.

If these people really cared about black lives they would represent the many black people who have already articulated that issue is farther up the chain of events that clashes with police. Absent fathers is one of the biggest issues and plays to the families, relationship and guidance points I made above.

It isn't so simple.

Good list. I look forward to seeing how this cooperative effort progresses. Because it is going to take cooperation and education on both sides.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: In4ormant

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: In4ormant

I'm not lumping all police into anything. I'm saying that we should keep an eye on them because I pay their paychecks. That will go a long way to rooting out the bad police. What is it that the government always says to us? If you aren't doing anything wrong then you won't have anything to worry about.

900k LEO's gonna wear live feed cameras to try and curb the .001% of them that are bad? You want almost a million cameras policing the US people?

I do believe you are residing in the wrong country.

Sure. What's wrong with that?

I guess it would be quite an expensive thing to do to solve a non issue.

You are from the UK, why do you believe this is a non-issue? Have you even been here long enough to know if this is a problem or not? I HIGHLY doubt that you have enough experience within the states to comment on this issue.

Do body cameras change how police interact with the public?

Key findings:

Officers who did not wear body cameras conducted more “stop-and-frisks” and made more arrests than officers who wore the video cameras. Officers who did not wear cameras performed 9.8% more stop-and-frisks and made 6.9% more arrests.
Officers assigned to wear cameras issued 23.1% more citations for ordinance violations than those who did not wear cameras.
Officers with body cameras initiated 13.5% more interactions with citizens than those who did not wear them.
Officers wearing cameras were 25.2% more likely to perceive the devices as being helpful during their interactions with the public.
The cameras did not have a significant impact on whether or not officers gave verbal warnings to citizens.

The study indicates that police officers were more cautious and risk averse when wearing body cameras. The authors suggest that the reason that camera-wearing officers may have made fewer arrests and conducted fewer stop-and-frisks was because they thought more carefully about criminal policy and procedures. With video evidence, there is the potential for greater scrutiny by supervisors or members of the public. The researchers note that a possible reason why officers with cameras wrote more citations was because they were worried they might be reprimanded for not issuing tickets when video evidence showed that a citizen had violated an ordinance or traffic law. Ready and Young’s work offers insights that they think will be useful to law enforcement agencies as they decide whether to use this technology. “Police executives may support new technology that brings greater accountability and less civil liability, but line officers focus on how it may limit their use of discretion in the field,” the authors state. “Empirical support showing that OVCs [On-officer Video Cameras] can help departments achieve their goals will reduce the time needed for this technology to gain legitimacy. Our findings represent a preliminary step in that direction.”

We've been down this route before - I have enough direct experience to have a view.

I think the issue is simple, clouded by emotion and entrenchment.

Disparity in society means blacks do not get a fair deal (I believe this to be true form my travels all across the US for work and play) = higher instances of poverty and poorer living conditions = more strain on families and relationships = less guidance = proportionally more crime = proportionally more run ins with police = more instances of police over reaction.

That is a general path but in essence I believe it to be true. For the life of me I can't figure out why BLM are so focused on the last point when it is a consequence not a root cause of the raw deal black people get in America.

Spending a $1bn on video cameras and management for the entire police force seems like a waste of money. Blaming the police seems like a waste of energy and thought.

If these people really cared about black lives they would represent the many black people who have already articulated that issue is farther up the chain of events that clashes with police. Absent fathers is one of the biggest issues and plays to the families, relationship and guidance points I made above.

Maybe they can watch a live stream of all the crime being committed and then wake up to the fact that video taping it doesn't stop it and do something real.

It's just a1bn dollar lesson they want us to pay for.

originally posted by: In4ormant

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: In4ormant

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: In4ormant

That isn't an answer to my question. It is just a cop-out.

That's rich.

It would create a surveillance state. If you want that then move somewhere else.

Create a surveillance state? You say that like one doesn't already exist. You are being survailed. Right now. By someone. Possibly a government agency. Possibly a corporation. It's just a facet of life at this point.

Who Watches the Watchmen? Do you really trust a police officer's word against your word in a court of law with no other evidence? I certainly don't.

Oh no, another Big Brother post.

You speak from a position of fear and, as is normal, jump straight to absolutes.
Some cops are bad, monitor them All

You speak of Big Brother at the same time advocating it. Odd

Wait until you end up on the wrong side of a bad police officer. I'm sure you'll be singing a different tune when the law destroys your life for no reason and you can't prove it otherwise.
Three Felonies A Day: How the Feds Target the Innocent

Oh man, I did not see where they said they would not says F&*^$ the Police anymore. Can we add that as #11?