BLM Begins "Campaign Zero"

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: avgguy
a reply to: Krazysh0t
That was un-holstered?

So having an unholstered gun is a criminal offense warranting being shot to death then?

No, but when a cop is pulling you over because you fit the profile of an armed robbery suspect, it most certainly raises the chances of getting yourself shot.

I am not arguing that this guy should have been shot. However, as pieces of information start trickling out, I can see how it happened. Notice there hasn't been any call from Lavish to release the dash cam video... why not?

My guess is that it is going to show Lavish and Phil not being compliant and thus Phil getting himself shot as a result.

a reply to: In4ormant

I'm not lumping all police into anything. I'm saying that we should keep an eye on them because I pay their paychecks. That will go a long way to rooting out the bad police. What is it that the government always says to us? If you aren't doing anything wrong then you won't have anything to worry about.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

White people are killed more, AA have more encounters with the police though, because they commit the majority of crimes in the US. Even though they make up 13% of the pop.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: In4ormant

I'm not lumping all police into anything. I'm saying that we should keep an eye on them because I pay their paychecks. That will go a long way to rooting out the bad police. What is it that the government always says to us? If you aren't doing anything wrong then you won't have anything to worry about.

900k LEO's gonna wear live feed cameras to try and curb the .001% of them that are bad? You want almost a million cameras policing the US people?

I do believe you are residing in the wrong country.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: UKTruth

I have many answers to your questions and quite a few of them circle back around to the police, prosecuting attorneys, a prison system that encourages recidivism instead of rehabilitation, and the war on drugs.

Your still talking about the downstream handling of a much bigger issue though.

Give a young kid in an inner city (white or black or anything else) the same opportunities as a rich kid in the suburbs - education and job prospects. Invest in infrastructure and community facilities. Proactively get into inner cities and help the community transform itself. There is so much potential that goes to waste because people don't have a path, don't have a mentor and don't have hope. When that happens, crime follows.

I would really like to see BLM talking about these issues, not about police.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Absolutely-white/black/other-armed (knife/gun/etc,)robbers should be killed on the spot.

Edit to add looters to that list.

Haha... Guys breaking out your car windows (little vandslizm) and the cop just has to drive right on by.....
We're I live the cops don't even come to property crimes anymore. You have to file a report over the internet...... The tweakers are loving it and Craig's list is busy though.

a reply to: TheAmazingYeti

This is productive stuff. Good for them. I think they can reach a lot of people with this campaign.

originally posted by: supremecommander

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
Community oversight is code for taking over local government.

We already have community oversight, it is called local elections. They want to bum rush city hall and create their own militant city states.

That is what this whole get rid of the cops charade is all about.

If the police are keeping law and order within a community, the community should have every right to know what the police are doing and have a say in how police handle things.

They WORK for the community. They should have to answer to every single resident in that community when an issue arises pertaining to misconduct.

They are not gods.

They uphold these little things called LAWS. The cops don't make the LAWS they enforce the LAWS that elected people pass, guess where they come from...communities...that's right representatives come from communities. Seems they want to get rid of the constitution by taking on the cops or they are complete idiots. I am going with radical extremist revolutionaries wrapping themselves in racial hatred to get their way.

Go cry a river at the people who make the laws, not the ones hired to enforce them.

If a community feels misrepresented by laws that cops have to enforce, take it up with their representatives.

a reply to: TinfoilTP

End the war on petty larceny!

Right? Amirite?!?

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: TinfoilTP

End the war on petty larceny!

Right? Amirite?!?

And simple possession!

originally posted by: In4ormant

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: In4ormant

I'm not lumping all police into anything. I'm saying that we should keep an eye on them because I pay their paychecks. That will go a long way to rooting out the bad police. What is it that the government always says to us? If you aren't doing anything wrong then you won't have anything to worry about.

900k LEO's gonna wear live feed cameras to try and curb the .001% of them that are bad? You want almost a million cameras policing the US people?

I do believe you are residing in the wrong country.

Sure. What's wrong with that?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: In4ormant

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: In4ormant

I'm not lumping all police into anything. I'm saying that we should keep an eye on them because I pay their paychecks. That will go a long way to rooting out the bad police. What is it that the government always says to us? If you aren't doing anything wrong then you won't have anything to worry about.

900k LEO's gonna wear live feed cameras to try and curb the .001% of them that are bad? You want almost a million cameras policing the US people?

I do believe you are residing in the wrong country.

Sure. What's wrong with that?

I guess it would be quite an expensive thing to do to solve a non issue.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: UKTruth

I have many answers to your questions and quite a few of them circle back around to the police, prosecuting attorneys, a prison system that encourages recidivism instead of rehabilitation, and the war on drugs.

Your still talking about the downstream handling of a much bigger issue though.

Give a young kid in an inner city (white or black or anything else) the same opportunities as a rich kid in the suburbs - education and job prospects. Invest in infrastructure and community facilities. Proactively get into inner cities and help the community transform itself. There is so much potential that goes to waste because people don't have a path, don't have a mentor and don't have hope. When that happens, crime follows.

I would really like to see BLM talking about these issues, not about police.

People do talk about these things, but usually there is push back from the right saying they don't want to waste their tax money on social programs.

originally posted by: Picklesneeze
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Absolutely-white/black/other-armed (knife/gun/etc,)robbers should be killed on the spot.

Edit to add looters to that list.

Wow. I'm glad you aren't a police officer...

a reply to: Krazysh0t

At an average cost of 1000 per you are looking at 450 million to purchase...not maintain. You then have to hire someone to take care of them. Repair them.

How about we take that money and put it into the community? THAT is a social program...

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: In4ormant

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: In4ormant

I'm not lumping all police into anything. I'm saying that we should keep an eye on them because I pay their paychecks. That will go a long way to rooting out the bad police. What is it that the government always says to us? If you aren't doing anything wrong then you won't have anything to worry about.

900k LEO's gonna wear live feed cameras to try and curb the .001% of them that are bad? You want almost a million cameras policing the US people?

I do believe you are residing in the wrong country.

Sure. What's wrong with that?

I guess it would be quite an expensive thing to do to solve a non issue.

You are from the UK, why do you believe this is a non-issue? Have you even been here long enough to know if this is a problem or not? I HIGHLY doubt that you have enough experience within the states to comment on this issue.

Do body cameras change how police interact with the public?

Key findings:

Officers who did not wear body cameras conducted more “stop-and-frisks” and made more arrests than officers who wore the video cameras. Officers who did not wear cameras performed 9.8% more stop-and-frisks and made 6.9% more arrests.
Officers assigned to wear cameras issued 23.1% more citations for ordinance violations than those who did not wear cameras.
Officers with body cameras initiated 13.5% more interactions with citizens than those who did not wear them.
Officers wearing cameras were 25.2% more likely to perceive the devices as being helpful during their interactions with the public.
The cameras did not have a significant impact on whether or not officers gave verbal warnings to citizens.

The study indicates that police officers were more cautious and risk averse when wearing body cameras. The authors suggest that the reason that camera-wearing officers may have made fewer arrests and conducted fewer stop-and-frisks was because they thought more carefully about criminal policy and procedures. With video evidence, there is the potential for greater scrutiny by supervisors or members of the public. The researchers note that a possible reason why officers with cameras wrote more citations was because they were worried they might be reprimanded for not issuing tickets when video evidence showed that a citizen had violated an ordinance or traffic law. Ready and Young’s work offers insights that they think will be useful to law enforcement agencies as they decide whether to use this technology. “Police executives may support new technology that brings greater accountability and less civil liability, but line officers focus on how it may limit their use of discretion in the field,” the authors state. “Empirical support showing that OVCs [On-officer Video Cameras] can help departments achieve their goals will reduce the time needed for this technology to gain legitimacy. Our findings represent a preliminary step in that direction.”

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: UKTruth

I have many answers to your questions and quite a few of them circle back around to the police, prosecuting attorneys, a prison system that encourages recidivism instead of rehabilitation, and the war on drugs.

Your still talking about the downstream handling of a much bigger issue though.

Give a young kid in an inner city (white or black or anything else) the same opportunities as a rich kid in the suburbs - education and job prospects. Invest in infrastructure and community facilities. Proactively get into inner cities and help the community transform itself. There is so much potential that goes to waste because people don't have a path, don't have a mentor and don't have hope. When that happens, crime follows.

I would really like to see BLM talking about these issues, not about police.

People do talk about these things, but usually there is push back from the right saying they don't want to waste their tax money on social programs.

Well it's about time the right shut their mouths on the push back then. I'm saying that BLM should be marching about these things. They should be talking about them. Why I am not seeing them on TV talking about issues like disparity in child numbers per class, facilities, community activity, investment in infrastructure, job opportunities Why is are some places so beautifully manicured, whilst streets in inner cities look like a war zone?

All i hear is crap about pigs in a blanket and the police this and the police that.

These people don't care about black lives. They care about something else - I don;t know what... maybe they are just anarchists looking to create mayhem.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: In4ormant

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: In4ormant

I'm not lumping all police into anything. I'm saying that we should keep an eye on them because I pay their paychecks. That will go a long way to rooting out the bad police. What is it that the government always says to us? If you aren't doing anything wrong then you won't have anything to worry about.

900k LEO's gonna wear live feed cameras to try and curb the .001% of them that are bad? You want almost a million cameras policing the US people?

I do believe you are residing in the wrong country.

Sure. What's wrong with that?

I struggle to conceive of anything Not wrong with that.

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