Why are we waiting on disclosure?

a reply to: Kingj56

Disclosure for me is all about belief.

For some people who are on the fence or even believers want confirmation from a government body or another powerful figure that they can get behind because it is human nature. There are those who flat out refuse to believe unless someone like lets say, the POTUS walks out and says 'Ladies and Gentlemen, ALIENS' and a little green man walks onto the stage to the Jay Leno theme music but for those of us who believe whole heartedly we don't need confirmation from government bodies who we already do not trust as it is.

There are two ways this will go about - Disclosure will happen, either an announcement with a few pics or aliens landing, their doors opening and a three fingered lizard man pops his head out and asks for directions to the nearest Starbucks (because those are EVERYWHERE) or we will never get disclosure because the government knows very little (possibly nothing).

My grandfather was a believer in almost everything, he watched the moon landing and to the day he died said it was the most incredible thing that he had ever seen and believes it was done to meet aliens on the moon, he said something to me that sums up my opinion perfectly -

I asked 'So do you think the governments will ever say anything publicly?'

He scoffed and said back: 'Doubtful. They don't know jack. Look think of it this way, do scientists go into the jungle and before taking an animal go and introduce themselves to the king of the jungle? When we steal the honey from the bees do we ask for permission from the queen? No. If Aliens are here, which I believe they are, they would not bother asking for permission as they would see themselves as being above us.'

And while it might not sit right with some people, I actually think he is right. It makes sense for me. We wouldn't ask permission if it was us travelling to other worlds we would just start taking samples etc. so yh maybe Granddad was right.

a reply to: Kingj56

We arent. It will never happen. Ever. No one person/government would be accepted by the whole world at once.

Besides. Its been disclosed for years and years, the evidence has always been here for millenia....and we ignore it.

They are here, have been here, always were here...its constantly disclosed by scientists, panels and even a leader or two.

"Disclosure" will never happen. It doesnt have to....sorry

a reply to: Kingj56

As an abductee from decades ago, I have my own proof. It is naïve to think that they would abduct you and you would have room to bargain. Case after case, including my own, clearly show that mind control is a technique they have in spades.


Disclosure will never happen as it is visualized as a sudden event. Integration is happening however. Not as an influx of ETs into our world, but as a complex mixture of mandated changes to nations and societies by official decree of one kind or another. From your position which is not too far from the general run of our societies, you indicate that you are not ready to accept or understand the process.

a reply to: Rosinitiate

There are a vast number of sub-intelligences involved, all of which want different things.

We are not discussing a unified, singular intelligence.

That's why the "enigma" can't be "solved" like other enigmas.

To compound the confusion, humans don't have a unified, singular intelligence either.

So you have two groups, one human, one evolved from organic matter a very long
time ago, with conflicting interests and no major leaders, bouncing off of each
other---mostly blindly.

In my observation.

Kev

a reply to: Rosinitiate


Living the Law of One – 101

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: Rosinitiate

There are a vast number of sub-intelligences involved, all of which want different things.

We are not discussing a unified, singular intelligence.

That's why the "enigma" can't be "solved" like other enigmas.

To compound the confusion, humans don't have a unified, singular intelligence either.

So you have two groups, one human, one evolved from organic matter a very long
time ago, with conflicting interests and no major leaders, bouncing off of each
other---mostly blindly.

In my observation.

Kev

The universal truth:

The problem before us now is this: if the reality behind the UFO phenomenon is both physical and psychic in nature, and if it manipulates space and time in ways our scientific concepts are inadequate to describe, is there any reason for its effects to be limited to our culture or to our generation? We have already established that no country has had the special privilege of these manifestations. Yet we must carry the argument further: if the UFO phenomenon is not tied to social conditions specific to our time, or to specific technological achievements, then it may represent a universal fact. It may have been with us, in one form or another, as long as the human race has existed on this planet.

Both Vallee and myself agree wholeheartedly.

It's as though there is consciousness between the mortal (as we see it) and the immortal. They're here and very much real, can live and die while existing just outside our ability to understand it.

originally posted by: Generation9
a reply to: Kingj56
Disclosure of what? There are no aliens visiting Earth. You think there is something else from somewhere doing something. You've been pacified. You lay there as an infant.

a reply to: Rosinitiate

The human race and other organic races are the 'unconscious mind' of this other "energy species".

It's just that simple.

The "energy species" aren't immortal -- just very long lived. Nothing is actually immortal.

Sometimes, collectives from the "energy species" have "spiritual experiences", which results
in increased contact with "us".

Just like "we" have "spiritual experiences" by dredging around our "unconscious minds", the
"other" does the same thing.

This is further "proof" as to why "UFO events" are often bizarre and irrational.

"UFO events" are in fact like hypnogogic states for "the other".

This is why there wont' be "disclosure".

There is little possibility of a unified understanding, on the part of either humans
or "the other".

Great Vallee quote there --- it's one of his best.

Kev

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: Rosinitiate

The human race and other organic races are the 'unconscious mind' of this other "energy species".

It's just that simple.

The "energy species" aren't immortal -- just very long lived. Nothing is actually immortal.

Sometimes, collectives from the "energy species" have "spiritual experiences", which results
in increased contact with "us".

Just like "we" have "spiritual experiences" by dredging around our "unconscious minds", the
"other" does the same thing.

This is further "proof" as to why "UFO events" are often bizarre and irrational.

"UFO events" are in fact like hypnogogic states for "the other".

This is why there wont' be "disclosure".

There is little possibility of a unified understanding, on the part of either humans
or "the other".

Great Vallee quote there --- it's one of his best.

Kev

Perhaps, but the "others" do in fact land in physical craft and at times communicate and interact with us on this physical plane. Conversely, there are accounts of us interacting with them on a not so physical plane.

I do agree, as has been documented from the first written records that their lives do end. I think that they are fully capable of being in our presence much easier than we can chose to be in theirs.

Additionally, if not for our natural desire to destroy things we can't understand or simply to ignorant to try, forces "them" to be just outside our "touch".

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I love the term energy species by the way! Sylphs as it were.

originally posted by: Rosinitiate
a reply to: Chadwickus

Jacques Vallee
J. Allen Hynek
Brad Stieger
John Ankerberg

To name a few.

Oh yeah, have you read Steiger's book:

"Real Zombies, The Living Dead, and Creatures of the Apocalypse"?

I also wonder when they are going to disclose real zombies, if that will be before or after they disclose what the UFOs really are?

a reply to: Generation9

will respectfuly disagree. Project Blue Book ended ( supposedly the U.S.A.F.) investigations and interest ( they claim), and there are still about 700 incidents which remain unsolved to this day. Are all ufo's explainable,? No they are not, about 5% give or take, are unexplainable, and I believe within that 5% there are indeed visitors who have come in the past and who continue to come to this day. No matter what NASA says, they are NOT all solved.

originally posted by: Arbitrageur
Oh yeah, have you read Steiger's book:

"Real Zombies, The Living Dead, and Creatures of the Apocalypse"?

I also wonder when they are going to disclose real zombies, if that will be before or after they disclose what the UFOs really are?

Probably at the same time. Ever wondered why many UFOs seem to bounce around as if some brainless idiot is piloting them?

Yep.

Zombies.

In space.

a reply to: Rosinitiate

The boundary between "physical" and not physical is nebulous at best. Just controlling the Higgs Boson would suffice.

Kev

a reply to: Rosinitiate

Yup.

The substrate is irrelevant, so long as it can be inherited with mutation and natural selection.

Kev

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: Rosinitiate

Yup.

The substrate is irrelevant, so long as it can be inherited with mutation and natural selection.

Kev

Interestingly enough, In Vallee's book Dimensions he gives an ancient accounting of two entities (same species) disagreeing on their understanding of God. Probably the most profound realization for me anyway. Clearly various accounts show these beings as fallible but it was really eye opening to read that.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

Whelp, I shoulda simply stopped at Vallee however, I figured it would be helpful to offer others who share the same opinion. Lumping them together doesn't do Vallee or Hynek justice, just didn't want to come across as a Vallee fan boy.

Don't suppose you have any thoughts regarding the discussion on these UFO's you'd care to share?

a reply to: Kingj56

'The government' refers to which government?

There are around 200 sovereign states with governments in the world. Something often forgotten on this message board. They can't all be keeping a secret back. Too many people would have to be involved down the generations. So forget a 'disclosure'.

What we have is 'confirmation' that there is a UFO phenomenon.

What we don't have is any tangible proof to link them to extra-terrestrial beings.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Kingj56

'The government' refers to which government?

There are around 200 sovereign states with governments in the world. Something often forgotten on this message board. They can't all be keeping a secret back. Too many people would have to be involved down the generations. So forget a 'disclosure'.

What we have is 'confirmation' that there is a UFO phenomenon.

What we don't have is any tangible proof to link them to extra-terrestrial beings.

But we can have a world government comprised of a very small group of people whom are very well connected, very VERY rich and capable of using their wealth and hidden knowledge to control the whole world.

Think about what a well funded "foundation" can do then times that by a 1000. Think of some of the most highly technilogical military hardware then fastforward 50-60 years. Now double that. That is potentially the height of some peoples reality, although not ours.

I completely agree with your statement that there is no proof whatsoever that "extra-terrestrials" are the UFO phenomenon, however, I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts a small select few have a much better understanding than you and I. Furthermore, I'd wager they use this knowledge against us in a grand psy-op to further control the system within a system.

We are cattled into a reality that is only half real and I believe that with all my heart. The potential the we as mankind are capable of is being diminished to a level that staggers my senses. We are better than all that is before us, yet here we are fighting amongst ourselves in the most trivial ways. We are being kept divided and and weakened as a single unit of potential. We have been programmed to feel ashamed of things that are natural to feel, why is that?

Great revelations in science get sidelined only to have a menial representation of that revelation come to the fore. Why is that?

I can't help but look at the way American politics are handled and correlate that to Sun Tzu's "Art of War" and if it works so well on a microcosm level with "politics", well times that by a 1000 and double that too.

a reply to: Kingj56

What do you mean waiting?

Its been happening for years. what are all the space movies for if they're not there to get people trained up to the idea that we are not alone.