70,000 whites murdered in South Africa since ANC took power

originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: FlyingFox

Not when I already corrected it, all by myself.

That's very good.

However, it wasn't fixed when I first came along which is why I pointed that out. Had it been fixed before I got there I obviously wouldn't have pointed it out because it wouldn't have been there.

So....Ya.....ok then.....

It's called having patience.

originally posted by: bobs_uruncle

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter

originally posted by: bobs_uruncle
Of course Israel and their apartheid need sanctions as well, but that’s another issue.

Why does Israel need sanctions? Seventy thousand Israeli's are at risk of a similar fate if sanctions work. Why authorise the mass murder (genocide) of 70,000 Israeli's?

If the UN and the IMF are going to outlaw apartheid in one country, as they did, they better damn well do it in ALL countries. Or does this double standard fit ok with you? Like I said before one rule fits all or the rule fits none. Equality has no conditions.

Cheers - Dave

Ok I do get where you are coming from, theoretically what's good for the goose is good for the gander. But please remember there is no Apartheid in Israel. All minorities/people get the vote. If you are referring to places occupied post 1967 by Israel then these regions get to vote on their own leaders. It just happens that these areas are dangerous to Israel (as pulling out of Gaza and southern Lebanon proves) so why let terror take over? There is no logic to Israel being an apartheid state when all it is doing is preventing terror. South Africa proves what happens when you let terror take over a previously well governed state.

a reply to: DelegateZero88

a reply to: bobs_uruncle

We're arguing different things here. The article was holding up SA as an example what **could** happen in America if black people have equal rights. It used examples of SA crimes (in the pdf) as reflections of black behaviours. I was saying that similar crimes happen across the world by people of all colours. The article subtext is that apartheid was a time of peace and this wasn't the case. The article smells of white supremacy.

What I did not say was that the rising anarchy in SA is 'okay.' We have a South African super mod who has told us first hand what life can be like in SA. I read the news. Neither was I dismissing the horrors or ignoring the examples in the pdf.

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: LABTECH767


The average Englishman has 10% west African genes. This occurred when the slave population bred into the English working class, after emancipation. Now and again you get a couple of white's have an African looking child. Its only a worry when idiots need someone to kick.

Oh there is probably more than that, the oldest China town in Europe is in Liverpool and a huge number of Chinese settled here in England, in liverpool they usually took Irish Catholic wive's as it was the same time that the Irish were fleeing the potato famine and probably as many Irish and Scot's settled in England as fled to the Colony's or America if not more.

There is African ancestry from the Roman period as well.

And there are many more ancestral trait's, I have for example both Maori and Jewish ancestry mixed with my English, Scot's, Welsh and Irish ancestry.

My Estranged father (Family matter I don't like the guy at all) had two aunt's whom married African American GI's back in WW2, there uncles were of course Maori Warrior's.

All white skin is when all is said and done is an adaptation to low light level's and this allow's it to produce more vitamin D in lower light condition's, and the only difference is the cell's which produce Melatonin the skin pigmant are switched off (Genetic switch also white people from nordic ancestry have higher numbers of fine blood vessels near the skin surface probably an adaptation to ward off frostbite though of course Innuit are far more adapted to the cold and low light and they don't look european at all?).

If you looked at me though all you would see is a 6'2" guy with light brown hair and hazel green eye's with a prominant nose and crooked feature's, you would probably assume I was from more european ancestry than I actually am so appearances are deceptive, my mother is actually slightly sallow skinned possibly from her maternal Jewish ancestry and is actually darker skinned than myself.

originally posted by: Kandinsky
a reply to: DelegateZero88

a reply to: bobs_uruncle

We're arguing different things here. The article was holding up SA as an example what **could** happen in America if black people have equal rights. It used examples of SA crimes (in the pdf) as reflections of black behaviours. I was saying that similar crimes happen across the world by people of all colours. The article subtext is that apartheid was a time of peace and this wasn't the case. The article smells of white supremacy.

What I did not say was that the rising anarchy in SA is 'okay.' We have a South African super mod who has told us first hand what life can be like in SA. I read the news. Neither was I dismissing the horrors or ignoring the examples in the pdf.

There is s great difference in the population dynamic and the educational dynamic when comparing the US and South Africa.

Cheers - Dave

A great and complex topic. I'll be reading the thread with great interest.
I just wanted to share this so long: over 900 South Africans died in police custody in 2011-2012 alone.
But it seems that if you can't blame and demonize a white bogeyman anymore, all lives don't matter.
www.timeslive.co.za...

originally posted by: FlyingFox

It's called having patience.

Well, I was patient enough to read all three of your links provided and you still hadn't noticed it, so I figured I'd ask.

That's called lending a hand.

MOVE FOR GODS SAKE! AFRICA SUCKS!

MOVE FOR GODS SAKE! AFRICA SUCKS!

a reply to: halfoldman

It can look that way.

I think with many folks, they believed that once the ANC took power things would get better.

We remember who the faces of the anti-apartheid movement was: Desmond Tutu and Nelson Mandela. That's all that's remembered. The Reconciliation councils, or whatever they were called...can't remember. Little noticing, or maybe caring, that some of the ANC were much like the Boors/Africaaners they replaced. Winnie Mandela comes quickly to mind.

For some, it was nothing less than the whites deserved after all. A taste of their own medicine, if you will. Sick, but that's how some ((((NOT ME, just so you know, I have several friends that were on both sides during that period.)))) saw it.

The only thing, I think, that will solve it is time. Time and blood. I'd really like to be wrong.

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: FlyingFox

Read all three links and not one mention of the DNC.

So why is that in your title of all places???

Is it another DNC that I'm not aware of??

Pretty obvious typo

originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: FlyingFox

Pretty obvious typo.

Maybe, but a significant difference all the same.

ANC and DNC not being the same organization in any way.

originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: FlyingFox

It's called having patience.

Well, I was patient enough to read all three of your links provided and you still hadn't noticed it, so I figured I'd ask.

That's called lending a hand.

So, you read all three links where the text read "ANC" dozens of times, over and over, but you actually thought I really meant "The DNC" or some other mystery "DNC that you're not aware of"?

That's you idea of lending a hand, or are you just trying to belittle me over an obvious typo?

a reply to: FlyingFox

ANC is mentioned a few times in one of the links, not dozens of times first of all.

Second of all, how is any of this my fault and why are you getting so damn defensive over it if it's just a simple typo???

It was you who typed in the title wrong. I simply pointed it out to you. A simple, "Thanks, fixed it." Or even just "Fixed it." would have concluded our conversation. But you seem to think I'm somehow in the wrong here. So, do tell me, rather than keep this going, page after page, tell me where I'm in the wrong by pointing out your mistaken typo in the title of your thread you created???

I'm not belittling you over a typo. I don't know where you're getting this from, but all the passive aggressive sh*t isn't going end it. Either come out and say what you have to say or don't bother saying anything.

Show me where you "pointed out a typo". You didn't because you wanted to make a word game out of it, possibly to make yourself look clever...?

I said it was a typo on my 2nd post. That is what should have capped the conversation.

a reply to: FlyingFox

What word game??? I pointed out that there was NO DNC mentioned in YOUR links to YOUR Post with YOUR incorrect Title.

You then fixed it saying it was a typo. Fine. It's a typo. So what??? It was still incorrect. Which is why you had to fix it.

WTF is your deal???

Don't get pissed at me because you made a mistake.

You said you read the links, but was still quite confused that I meant ANC, not "The DNC" nor "some other DNC that you are unaware of'. I find that odd, and somewhat implausible.

What does explain it, is you wanted to be smug and arrogant, rather than helpful as you claim.

Now that I pointed it out, you're mad about that too.

Are there any other issues remaining that are important enough to pollute the tread with?

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: halfoldman

It can look that way.

I think with many folks, they believed that once the ANC took power things would get better.

We remember who the faces of the anti-apartheid movement was: Desmond Tutu and Nelson Mandela. That's all that's remembered. The Reconciliation councils, or whatever they were called...can't remember. Little noticing, or maybe caring, that some of the ANC were much like the Boors/Africaaners they replaced. Winnie Mandela comes quickly to mind.

For some, it was nothing less than the whites deserved after all. A taste of their own medicine, if you will. Sick, but that's how some ((((NOT ME, just so you know, I have several friends that were on both sides during that period.)))) saw it.

The only thing, I think, that will solve it is time. Time and blood. I'd really like to be wrong.

I believe that the commonplace white person from South Africa likely saw little benefit from the apartheid system, just like other corrupt systems. It's unfortunate that they now bear the burden from the past, where surely the elite of society were the real benefactors.

Generally speaking that's very correct.

Africaans were, and are, a very small minority. Even within the white population of South Africa. Power was to be reserved for the White Africaans only. Or so my understanding of it works. I may be wrong.

Whites of British decent were considered second class, along with colored (their definition, not mine.)...with the black majority little better than slaves or animals in the eyes of many Africaans.

originally posted by: FlyingFox
You said you read the links, but was still quite confused that I meant ANC, not "The DNC" nor "some other DNC that you are unaware of'. I find that odd, and somewhat implausible.

Maybe there's more to it than I'm aware of. Maybe I missed it. Or maybe you're just a liar who likes to make stuff up and accuse innocent people of stuff they have no part in. Who knows. You're the one who wrote it so how the hell am I supposed to know???

What does explain it, is you wanted to be smug and arrogant, rather than helpful as you claim.

So now, once again it's time to point fingers at me and make personal attacks at me for YOUR MISTAKE!! Well, I don't care what you think. Maybe I thought you were trying to put blame on a group because you're an A-hole. Who cares though what I thought about it. It was still a mistake and one you admit to making.

I didn't make any accusations toward you about it though did I??? No I didn't. But you clearly cannot handle someone pointing out your mistakes, regardless of how small or simple they are. NOT MY FAULT!!!!

Now that I pointed it out, you're mad about that too.

What I'm mad about is your insistence on making accusations toward me FOR YOUR MISTAKES!!!!

Are there any other issues remaining that are important enough to pollute the tread with?

Dude, you're the one not letting it go. Like I said before, all you had to say from the start is, "Fixed it". But you just had to try and play it off as if I was in the wrong for pointing out YOUR MISTAKE.

Deal with it.

And... How many black people have been killed? Are their deaths also a genocide? Most black deaths in squatter camps won't be heard in the media. South Africa has a crime problem, everyone suffers and crime doesn't discriminate.

originally posted by: FlyingFox

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: FlyingFox

Read all three links and not one mention of the DNC.

So why is that in your title of all places???

Is it another DNC that I'm not aware of??

Pretty obvious typo.