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originally posted by: NOTurTypical
a reply to: Nochzwei
Jesus baptizes with the Holy Spirit. We just lay hands on people and pray for them to receive. It's a gift that needs to be pursued and prayed for.
originally posted by: Matrixsurvivor
But, when I look at the world today, and how so many people suffer (with seeming silence from "god), it's more like god is an abusive spouse.
- Has God caused the suffering in the world?
- What issue was raised in the garden of Eden?
- How will God undo the effects of human suffering?
The original-language words rendered “understanding” can refer to comprehension of a rather simple kind or can describe a full and profound realization of the inner nature, underlying reasons, and significance of complex matters. Insight, discernment, and perception are all closely connected to understanding.
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Relationship to Knowledge and Wisdom. Understanding must be based on knowledge, and it works with knowledge, though it is itself more than mere knowledge. The extent and worth of one’s understanding is measurably affected by the quantity and quality of one’s knowledge.
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The “understanding heart is one that searches for knowledge”; it is not satisfied with a mere superficial view but seeks to get the full picture. (Pr 15:14) ... see KNOWLEDGE.
It does make a difference. To "feel the power" is to have the "thing" internalized, it becomes a facet of the self. To then turn away is to deny your self in some significant manner. It isn't easy, or quick, or even safe for that matter.
originally posted by: KazeKurai
a reply to: Matrixsurvivor
Dude.. Do you even read & comprehend what utter nonsense you are spewing out ?
Firstly god with a lower case 😆 can't hear you moaning & complaining due to the fact that there is no god.. But let's entertain your belief for a moment. Let's imagine there was some "elite" being.
Do you honestly believe he/she or it would listen to the ramblings of every person on the planet ? Then let's zoom out & scale it up.. Do you think he is listening to all the ET's on other worlds in our milkyway Galaxy with their issues? That's aproximitly 200 billion planets with life if you believe that 1 in 9 planets would host complex life. (Due to the Drake equation & law of averages)
Now that's just one galaxy dude there are well over 200 billion Galaxies in our singular universe.
Now let's say our universe is 1 of possibly countless universes all connected through concentric patterns & geometry (spiral or Fibonacci sequence)
Now factor all of that & realize that your views & your issues are so infanticidal yet they are important as everything matters & I would't want you to think I'm been difficult, rude or obnoxious.
Life & nature & the Multiverse are the systems we are apart of & you should take comfort in that thought.
The laws of nature & laws of physics are what govern us all ! The strong survive & the weak will make an untimely exit.
Anyways I wish you well in your quest for knowledge & the persuit of truth 😉 ✌🏻
originally posted by: whereislogic
originally posted by: Matrixsurvivor
But, when I look at the world today, and how so many people suffer (with seeming silence from "god), it's more like god is an abusive spouse.
Why Does God Allow Suffering?—The Reason Why Suffering Began | What Does the Bible Really Teach?
- Has God caused the suffering in the world?
- What issue was raised in the garden of Eden?
- How will God undo the effects of human suffering?
The answers are in the article as to what the bible teaches about that subject, freely available for any person who genuinely wants to know. God is not abusive just because some people don't want to think through their logical pathways (even sometimes allergic to it and rather twist, turn and squirm to avoid having to think about the subject in more detail, preferring to stay at the surface of the argument because it's so convenient for the dismissal of specific realities that make them uncomfortable and aren't 'tickling their ears', just what they wanted to hear; see 2 Timothy 4:3,4).
From a previous comment I made that has more links to related things to consider:
The original-language words rendered “understanding” can refer to comprehension of a rather simple kind or can describe a full and profound realization of the inner nature, underlying reasons, and significance of complex matters. Insight, discernment, and perception are all closely connected to understanding.
...
Relationship to Knowledge and Wisdom. Understanding must be based on knowledge, and it works with knowledge, though it is itself more than mere knowledge. The extent and worth of one’s understanding is measurably affected by the quantity and quality of one’s knowledge.
...
The “understanding heart is one that searches for knowledge”; it is not satisfied with a mere superficial view but seeks to get the full picture. (Pr 15:14) ... see KNOWLEDGE.
Source: Understanding: Insight, Volume 2
So, when your whole platform of belief comes unraveled, and one DOES actually question, it probably looks nuts.
originally posted by: pthena
a reply to: Matrixsurvivor
So, when your whole platform of belief comes unraveled, and one DOES actually question, it probably looks nuts.
You are fighting an idea of god that is in your understanding, as you put it earlier, stomping on the box.
I started a new thread. Labels: Why I'm Agnostic.
I'm a very passionate person.
Do you know why people make the mistake of blaming God for all the suffering in the world? In many cases, they blame Almighty God because they think that he is the real ruler of this world. They do not know a simple but important truth that the Bible teaches. You learned that truth in Chapter 3 of this book. The real ruler of this world is Satan the Devil.
Why did he rebel against God? The reason can be summarized in one word: pride. He became jealous of God’s position, and in his pride he decided to lead a revolution and take God’s place: “You said in your heart, ‘I will ascend to heaven. … I will make myself like the Most High'” (Isaiah 14:13-14). He failed – but his goal is still the same: to take God’s place.
originally posted by: flyingfish
a reply to: whereislogic
Satan is not real.
The early Christians perverted the Old Testament and invent Satan and Hell. The word Devil comes from Greek Diabolos and means Accuser/Advocate, as does Satan. It's just a translation of Satan into Greek, they were originally different myths.
originally posted by: pthena
a reply to: Matrixsurvivor
I'm a very passionate person.
That disqualifies you from seeking an Epicurean path, as strange as that may sound to people who have not tried it, but oh wait. They didn't include women anyway!
Holy moly! Grin back at you.
Edit to add:
Buzzywigs is passionate about how children are indoctrinated. That should be clear to anyone who cares to listen to her.
I often wonder why women are always less than men in most religions. I think the only one I've heard had more of a matriarchal system (or at least women were equals), were some of the Native American tribes. There may be others, but not sure.
The Venus of Dolní Věstonice (Czech: Věstonická Venuše) is a Venus figurine, a ceramic statuette of a nude female figure dated to 29,000–25,000 BCE (Gravettian industry). It was found at the Paleolithic site Dolní Věstonice in the Moravian basin south of Brno, in the base of Děvín Mountain, 549 metres (1,801 ft). This figurine and a few others from locations nearby are the oldest known ceramic articles in the world.
originally posted by: pthena
a reply to: Matrixsurvivor
I often wonder why women are always less than men in most religions. I think the only one I've heard had more of a matriarchal system (or at least women were equals), were some of the Native American tribes. There may be others, but not sure.
Venus of Dolní Věstonice
The Venus of Dolní Věstonice (Czech: Věstonická Venuše) is a Venus figurine, a ceramic statuette of a nude female figure dated to 29,000–25,000 BCE (Gravettian industry). It was found at the Paleolithic site Dolní Věstonice in the Moravian basin south of Brno, in the base of Děvín Mountain, 549 metres (1,801 ft). This figurine and a few others from locations nearby are the oldest known ceramic articles in the world.
I'm guessing that the best examples of matriarchal societies are lost in time. Notice the dating.
There are hints from oldest Sumerian/Akkadian texts. The Sumerian students would know much more than I ever could. The field of study is called Assyriology.
You spent many years as a Christian, right? What happened that woke you up to the fallacies in it?
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: flyingfish
a reply to: whereislogic
Satan is not real.
The early Christians perverted the Old Testament and invent Satan and Hell. The word Devil comes from Greek Diabolos and means Accuser/Advocate, as does Satan. It's just a translation of Satan into Greek, they were originally different myths.
is there a book that covers this transliteration in detail?
originally posted by: flyingfish
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: flyingfish
a reply to: whereislogic
Satan is not real.
The early Christians perverted the Old Testament and invent Satan and Hell. The word Devil comes from Greek Diabolos and means Accuser/Advocate, as does Satan. It's just a translation of Satan into Greek, they were originally different myths.
is there a book that covers this transliteration in detail?
Curious.. You need a book to tell you Santa is not real?
Look up Richard Carrier -On Historicity of Jesus. There are plenty of references.
What? Reveltion 17 says the man of lawlessness (the antichrist) and his 10 nation Empire hates the whore, (which is a city in the desert) and they devour her with fire. The whore is mystery Babylon the Great, and it's a city. It also says its beside the Red Sea and it's in a desert.
originally posted by: whereislogic
a reply to: Matrixsurvivor
You took your information from the tool of Satan that he uses to deceive you about God:
"The Man of Lawlessness" who is a part of "Babylon the Great". This comment has more details.