God - Justice. Reality or misconception?

originally posted by: vethumanbeing

originally posted by: NOTurTypical
a reply to: vethumanbeing

You've created an awesome idol by which you aren't responsible for any of your own actions.

Yes; but the REAL Poster Boy STARS of this shrugging of Karma/responsibility are the Buddhists and Hindi's, I am just a modern Gnostic (totally engaged in telling the TRUTH).

You aren't telling the truth, you're an Antominian heretic who thinks whatever actions you do in the flesh will have no eternal consequences. And you deny Jesus came in the flesh, which is the spirit of Antichrist.

Nothing is new under the sun.

a reply to: Lassiecat
First off, Do you believe in a god?

Second, I noticed you have not been responding to any of the replies.

Are you just posting a bait thread then leaving?

originally posted by: NOTurTypicaloriginally posted by: vethumanbeing
originally posted by: NOTurTypical
a reply to: vethumanbeing

NOTur: You've created an awesome idol by which you aren't responsible for any of your own actions.

vhb: Yes; but the REAL Poster Boy STARS of this shrugging of Karma/responsibility are the Buddhists and Hindi's, I am just a modern Gnostic (totally engaged in telling the TRUTH).

NOTur: You aren't telling the truth, you're an Antominian heretic who thinks whatever actions you do in the flesh will have no eternal consequences. And you deny Jesus came in the flesh, which is the spirit of Antichrist.
Nothing is new under the sun.

Antominian? There is no such word existing in the English language; closest to it would be antonomasia: 'the identification of a person by an epithet or appellative that is not the persons name'. HERETIC is a strong word and would have (if you accused me of being such; holding any political power/influence) could have potentially orchestrated my being put to death in 100-200 AD Rome. You are a questionable ident/personality. In the opposite manner of Caligula; You would put the Non-Christian Pagan to death in the Colloseum. I acknowledge the existence of "Christ Consciousness" and in such recognition do not deny Jesus's incarnation into the physical world. Nothing is new under the sun; as is in full illumination; what happens in darkness is another matter.

a reply to: vethumanbeing

Antinominianism

originally posted by: NOTurTypical

originally posted by: vethumanbeing

originally posted by: NOTurTypical
a reply to: vethumanbeing

You've created an awesome idol by which you aren't responsible for any of your own actions.

Yes; but the REAL Poster Boy STARS of this shrugging of Karma/responsibility are the Buddhists and Hindi's, I am just a modern Gnostic (totally engaged in telling the TRUTH).

You aren't telling the truth, you're an Antominian heretic who thinks whatever actions you do in the flesh will have no eternal consequences. And you deny Jesus came in the flesh, which is the spirit of Antichrist.

Nothing is new under the sun.

dude... not all gnostics believed that Jesus wasn't a real person...

a reply to: Akragon

Really? So is a Gnostic person who rejects docetism like an apostate Gnostic?

a reply to: NOTurTypical

no...

Gnosticism wasn't a religion...They were "christian"... or at least part of the many competing sects of it as it was evolving in those days...

They were just writers that disagreed with the "church", and had a following... and had different beliefs then what the ruling class of "priests" believed

Valintinus was the guy that believed that Jesus was just a spirit, that didn't leave foot prints...

a reply to: Akragon

Gnosticism existed before Jesus though, it's not something group that disagreed with the church. Christian Gnosticism is just trying to fit pre-existent Gnostic doctrines into the life and ministry of Jesus Christ.

originally posted by: NOTurTypical
a reply to: Akragon

Gnosticism existed before Jesus though, it's not something group that disagreed with the church. Christian Gnosticism is just trying to fit pre-existent Gnostic doctrines into the life and ministry of Jesus Christ.

Yeah but "Gnosticism" is Knowledge so to speak... its nothing but a label...

they did exactly that... they evolved though time... using old ideas with the new...

kinda sounds like christianity doesn't it?

a reply to: Akragon

Sure, you could say evolved in the context of changing, but in regards to my faith I see a decline, not an evolution in a positive direction. Today is the Laodecian Church Age. The preaching of Hell, the cross, and the blood of Christ is virtually done away with in favor of a seeker-sensitive message and coffee and doughnuts in the welcome room. The pulpits care more about keeping people in the church so they can keep tithes up as much as possible rather than teaching the gospel because it offends people.

I guess the church is changing, but it's regressive evolution. The last days Church is a hot mess.

a reply to: NOTurTypical


lol holy crap!

Wait...


what was the topic again?

a reply to: Akragon

I'm mad I have to work today, I'm not even on the road, I'm doing spotter work at a fiberglass insulation factory my carrier has an account with. The normal guy here is on vacation.

Ruined my national Treason Day weekend.

a reply to: vethumanbeing

Okay, thanks for the chuckle. Send that car to car hell, the wrecking yard. It shall be melted down into lawn furniture.

originally posted by: NOTurTypical
a reply to: Lassiecat

If we exercise our free will outside of God's revealed will that's us bringing the pain and destruction. God doesn't bring it, it's a natural consequence of doing/being outside of His revealed will.

So to whom belong that part you say is "outside of his revealed will"?
I just say is all his thing.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Lassiecat



Also, I don't understand the logic behind this statement:


He gave you the free will too. Thus, pain and damages should be his creations also.


Should free will result in pain and damage?

My idea behind is that the actor, the tool and his right to act freely with the tool are a creation of God, the outcome is logically a creation of God.

You missed to quote the sentence before, that's why it sounds human will - outcome relation only. It is not a simple as I explained now.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Lassiecat
First off, Do you believe in a god?

Second, I noticed you have not been responding to any of the replies.

Are you just posting a bait thread then leaving?

Yes I am leaving. Because I can
Then coming back and replying everyone in need...
Where's the problem?

I do believe in God and Good

a reply to: windword

Then you have these smart weasel types who seem to know how to beat the "Karmic Lie Detector", Like Rumsfeld and Cheney, who make you wonder if Karma is just an illusion.

In their case they have no conscience to feel any guilt behind. Ol Cheney is "heartless".

Believe me they will get theirs. Life here is but an eye blink in eternity.

God is all three.

Misconceived as unjust because of Bible literalists.

Just because he gives us life.

And real because we exist.

But!...Who IS God?

originally posted by: Lassiecat

originally posted by: NOTurTypical
a reply to: Lassiecat

If we exercise our free will outside of God's revealed will that's us bringing the pain and destruction. God doesn't bring it, it's a natural consequence of doing/being outside of His revealed will.

So to whom belong that part you say is "outside of his revealed will"?
I just say is all his thing.

God isn't the author of sin, and sin is doing the opposite of His will. We are responsible for what we do.

originally posted by: NOTurTypical

originally posted by: Lassiecat

originally posted by: NOTurTypical
a reply to: Lassiecat

If we exercise our free will outside of God's revealed will that's us bringing the pain and destruction. God doesn't bring it, it's a natural consequence of doing/being outside of His revealed will.

So to whom belong that part you say is "outside of his revealed will"?
I just say is all his thing.

God isn't the author of sin, and sin is doing the opposite of His will. We are responsible for what we do.

Is sin evil?

Because in Isaiah God proclaimed himself as the cause of good AND evil.

If evil is caused by God then it follows sin is too. God invented the concept of sin with free will.