What were the Church of Satan's most important teachings?

a reply to: NOTurTypical

How many Christians are honest enough to admit Christmas and Easter are Pagan holidays that pre date Christ by thousands of years?

That Paul contradicts Jesus entirely?

That he was at war with the followers of Jesus and James and the Apostles?

Even though the Bible tells the story clear as day you always get " Oh he was not talking about the Apostles."

But he clearly was to anyone who is not full of #.

a reply to: Wombocracy

You're better re-read that parable, Jesus gives His disciples the interpretation.

a reply to: Wombocracy

yes it could be seen that way.
but most think that that it means just exactly what was said.

just for one simple fact alone, "wicked ones" are likened to chaff in the bible. plus when Jesus explains his words he leaves no doubt what he means.

Matthew 13:36-43New American Standard Bible (NASB) The Tares Explained

36 Then He left the crowds and went into the house. And His disciples came to Him and said, “Explain to us the parable of the [a]tares of the field.” 37 And He said, “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man, 38 and the field is the world; and as for the good seed, these are the sons of the kingdom; and the tares are the sons of the evil one; 39 and the enemy who sowed them is the devil, and the harvest is the end of the age; and the reapers are angels. 40 So just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, 42 and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, [e]let him hear.

a reply to: Wombocracy

i do cause i know that when the romans converted to Christianity, and wanted to convert others pagans, they included their pagan festivals to make it easier to convert the pagans.

it is a well known fact, at least among Christians that i know. also there are many Christian that have no problem with the earth being billions of years old.

originally posted by: Wombocracy
a reply to: NOTurTypical

How many Christians are honest enough to admit Christmas and Easter are Pagan holidays that pre date Christ by thousands of years?

Most don't know, but I don't celebrate Easter or Christmas. I try to find a Messianic group doing a Passover Sader.

That Paul contradicts Jesus entirely?

I see nothing different than what Paul says and what Jesus said in John 3:16. Whosoever believes in Jesus will be saved.

That he was at war with the followers of Jesus and James and the Apostles?

He was? Have you read Acts 15?

Even though the Bible tells the story clear as day you always get " Oh he was not talking about the Apostles."

I'll assume you're talking about Galatians 2, and he isn't talking about the 12 disciples, he is talking about the Pharisee sect that rose up teaching that Gentiles had to get circumcised and follow the Mosaic Law. This is also mentioned in Acts 15.

But he clearly was to anyone who is not full of #.

Was Polycarp full of @#&? That was Peter's direct disciple and bishop of the church at Smyrna. He quotes from Paul often. (See his epistle to the Philippians) So does Clement, John's direct disciple.

Kinda messed up Peter and John forgot to tell their direct understudies that Paul was a false teacher and at war with them.

originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
a reply to: Wombocracy

i do cause i know that when the romans converted to Christianity, and wanted to convert others pagans, they included their pagan festivals to make it easier to convert the pagans.

Yeah, I know. That's mostly a problem with the denominational churches. The daughters of the Roman Catholic Church. The Apostolic Church had nothing to do with Easter or Christmas.

t is a well known fact, at least among Christians that i know. also there are many Christian that have no problem with the earth being billions of years old.

I don't either, I believe there was a judgment on the Earth between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2, that's when Satan fell, the Earth became desolate and without form and void. It's called the "Gap Theory".

SATANISM:
The ultimate dogmatic justification for ego/power-trip-ful self-centered narcissism.
(i.e. what all the Atheist politicians live by, where the religious factions of politicians tend to live by it too but also worship Lucifer in one form or another)

Is the biggest impression of it I got from my foray into the basic jist of it.

a reply to: NOTurTypical

i was under the impression it was seen as the three earth ages, the age before the flood, the age starting after the flood,which we are in now, and the age to come.

besides the way i see it time is nothing to God as far as it passing. you know like in 2 Peter3:8, Psalm 90:4

originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
a reply to: Wombocracy

yes it could be seen that way.
but most think that that it means just exactly what was said.

In my experience most are usually wrong which is a problem because if you misinterpret the teachings of Jesus and teach that you are changing scripture.

just for one simple fact alone, "wicked ones" are likened to chaff in the bible. plus when Jesus explains his words he leaves no doubt what he means.

Matthew 13:36-43New American Standard Bible (NASB) The Tares Explained

36 Then He left the crowds and went into the house. And His disciples came to Him and said, “Explain to us the parable of the [a]tares of the field.” 37 And He said, “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man, 38 and the field is the world; and as for the good seed, these are the sons of the kingdom; and the tares are the sons of the evil one; 39 and the enemy who sowed them is the devil, and the harvest is the end of the age; and the reapers are angels. 40 So just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, 42 and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, [e]let him hear.

I only deal in correctness and don't entertain false interpretations.

a reply to: NOTurTypical


I don't argue with people who are too blind to see the obvious, sorry, what I said about Paul is a known issue and only the not so well read fail to see it.

If you say he wasn't talking about the Apostles you are in denial, lying or not that bright.

" Seemed to be pillars..."

John, Peter and James are the pillars, that is undeniable and by saying that they "seemed" to be pillars is equal to saying that they aren't.

How hard is it to understand that? Not at all.

Realize it or live a lie it makes no difference to me but that whole chapter 2 is directed at " the circumcision faction" which is what Paul calls James and co.

Paul is an idiot.

originally posted by: buddha
They are just trying to sucker you in!
Just like the church. Dont be fooled.

the church can not get you so they are using This!
Dont fall for it.

We are social animals. Most people like to belong to groups.

And when people congregate they share energy, creating a kind of false energy euphoria. It's not God (or the Devil). It's the energy created by bringing energies together.

a reply to: Wombocracy

Yes, and other translations say "esteemed to be pillars"...

He is saying in layman's terms "people looked to them as leaders". Get over it.

And go to Acts 15, READ IT. The circumcision faction is:

"5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter."

Acts 15:5-6

Peter, James, and John were NEVER a sect of Pharisees. They NEVER taught that Gentile converts needed to be circumcised and follow the Law of Moses.

Read Acts 15, and if you don't understand the Jerusalem Council then read it again, and again, and again until you do. Galatians is a letter addressed to the church at Galatia who was dealing with the exact same heresy addressed at Jerusalem in Acts 15, Pharisees were teaching them they had to get circumcised and follow the Law.

a reply to: Wombocracy

I only deal in correctness and don't entertain false interpretations.

Really? That's your position? So Jesus was just lying to His disciples and told them a false interpretation of His own parable?

That takes stones to believe. You bumped your head somewhere dude.

originally posted by: NOTurTypical
a reply to: JinMI

You can either believe the testimony of Christ or not, that's up to you.

Isn't this a thread about Satanism (an athiestic philosophy of self-worship)?

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say it might go without saying that people into it aren't into "Jesus".

a reply to: NOTurTypical

You can try and argue against the truth all you like but the truth doesn't change due to your failure to see.

Your points are nonsense, misinterpretations and outright falsehoods that I guarantee you don't even understand.

Posting quotes from a book I own and have read is not going to change the fact that I know what I do and you don't.

a reply to: 5StarOracle

The biggest problem I have with satanism (beside the obnoxious name...so many ways to title a religion of hedonism but what Lavey went with is a bit obnoxious imho like when theyre discussing the name of their biker gang on the Simpsons-

Homer: The first meeting of the Hell's Satans is called to order.
Ned : I move to reconsider our club name. Make it something a little less blasphemous. After all we don't wanna *go* to hell.
Lenny: How 'bout The Devil's Pals.
Ned Flanders: [nervously chuckles] Nuh-no... see...
Moe: Or the Christ punchers?
Ned Flanders: The Chri...! Oh...dear...I don't think you understand my objections.)

Anyway the second thing I just cant take seriously is that all i have ever seen are satanists between 13 and 25 years old and they do all they can to bring up the fact they are satanists, they wear 16 pentagrams at once or just tattoo it and they even all have the same taste in music making it scream fad for kids seeking attention or tough guy status. And gosh do they never stop complaining about Christianity and they have no knowledge of it really other than a few trite cliches.

Im simply giving my experience and dont know, maybe there is a new kind for me here at ats but these satanist band wagon kids know even less about satanism than they know about Christianity! Beyond the metal shirts skull dagger and pentagram jewelry and the "everyone look im a rebellious Satanist" attitude there's just a blank ledger.

CHURCH OF SATAN

F.A.Q. Fundamental Beliefs

WHY DO SATANISTS WORSHIP THE DEVIL?
We don’t. Satanists are atheists. We see the universe as being indifferent to us, and so all morals and values are subjective human constructions.

Our position is to be self-centered, with ourselves being the most important person (the “God”) of our subjective universe, so we are sometimes said to worship ourselves. Our current High Priest Gilmore calls this the step moving from being an atheist to being an “I-Theist.”

Satan to us is a symbol of pride, liberty and individualism, and it serves as an external metaphorical projection of our highest personal potential. We do not believe in Satan as a being or person.

DO SATANISTS PERFORM SACRIFICES?
No. We are atheists. The only people who perform sacrifices are those who believe in supernatural beings who would consider a sacrifice to be some form of payment for a request or form of worship. Since we do not believe in supernatural beings there is no reason for a Satanist to make a sacrifice of any sort.

I HEARD THAT SATANISM SUPPORTS SEX WITH CHILDREN AND OTHER WAYS TO HARM THEM—HOW DO YOU JUSTIFY THAT?
Satanism has strong rules prohibiting sexual activity with children and non-human animals. In fact, if a Church of Satan member abuses children sexually or otherwise, his membership is automatically terminated without possibility for re-instatement. The Church of Satan also does not accept anyone who is not legally adult as an Active Member. In Satanism, sexual activity is only advocated between consenting adults.

DO SATANISTS RITUALLY ABUSE PEOPLE?
No. Our ritual is basically a form of self-therapy and is most often done in private. The three basic rituals are presented in The Satanic Bible by Anton Szandor LaVey and these do not demonstrate any type of abusive behavior. www.churchofsatan.com...

a reply to: defiythelie

Thought I would, just for posterity's sake list ten of the more prominent branches of Satanism, both theistic and atheistic and bear in mind this is neither all inclusive nor fully descriptive:

1. The Satanic Temple - An Atheistic, symbolism based reverence of critical thinking over faith and science over the supernatural.

2. Luciferianism - Another Atheistic, symbolism based sect, centered around the "11 Luciferian points of Power", a series of guidelines meant to encourage self determination and being an "individual moral agent" in your own life.

3. Christian based Duotheism - This theistic branch accepts Christian dogmatic beliefs but sees the world as a fight between good and evil, though as they see it, Satan is the light who wants to free humans from the slavery of God.

4. Anti-Cosmic Satanism - Also known as Chaos-Gnosticism, believes that the orderly cosmos driven by God is an illusion and behind that is endless and formless chaos.

5. Transcendental Satanism - Created by Matt "The Lord" Zane after an '___' trip in which he had a vision of Satan making a pact with man before he was born that he would avoid hell by doing Satan's bidding but have no knowledge of such a deal and would instead lead others to hell while under the delusion he was doing God's work.

6. Demonolatry - Monotheistic Demonic reverence. They revere and "work with" various demons to aid in rituals or magic, and tend to choose one as a patron deity. Their interpretations of demons are that they are either sinners and tempters, as in Christianity, personified forces of energy or that they are gods in their own right.

7. Setians - Founded by LaVey's former right hand Michael Aquino who had a Martin Lutheresque issue with the Laveyan church. A theistic group who "beleive" in Set, Egyptian god of violence and disorder as the original Satanist and seek to acheive xeper, an Egyptian word meaning "I have come to being", basically an ascent to personal godhood.

8. Satanic Reds - View Satan as a dark force in existence since time began, believing that the origin of the word Satan is from the Sanskrit words Sat, meaning boundless darkness and Tan meaning permeation of all things. Through the Nine Satanic Postulates they believe each being is motivated by an inner force to constantly change and evolve according to its environment.

9. Polytheistic Satanism - The belief in many gods such as Satan/Azazel, Lilith, Prometheus, Ishtar, Pan and Lucifer-of-Sophia(sophia was a Gnostic Goddess with many parellels to Lucifer's story and Adam and Eve). Each represents social trends disliked by the religious right.

10. The Cult of Cthulu - Mixes Satanism with H.P. Lovecraft, black magic and the Left-Hand Path. Claims everyone is locked inside a paradigm called Generally Accepted Reality and has the power to shape their own reality according to willpower. It has a very fantastic creation story that I recommend looking up.

The point of this is that if you look hard enough, you can find a branch that justifies your prejudices or preconceived notions of Satanism in general. The reality is, unless you can come up with a reason to discredit Satanism that isn't also capable of discrediting your own faith (hint: you can't, and 'mine is older' doesn't count because yours used to be new at one point), you need to just agree to disagree and wait for death to either vindicate or disprove your own faith or theirs, or perhaps we are all wrong. Hard to say but that is what faith is for.

originally posted by: Wombocracy
a reply to: NOTurTypical

You can try and argue against the truth all you like but the truth doesn't change due to your failure to see.

Your points are nonsense, misinterpretations and outright falsehoods that I guarantee you don't even understand.

Posting quotes from a book I own and have read is not going to change the fact that I know what I do and you don't.

That's the ravings of a lunatic. Your interpretation of Acts 15 has James, Peter, and John in Judea teaching Paul and Titus that they need to circumcise new converts, Paul resisting them, then Peter, James, and John saying "okay, let's go down to Jerusalem to see ourselves and decide this matter".

It's idiotic. Acts 15 has 3 different groups of people:

1: Pharisee sect in Judea. (Judaizers)
2. Paul, Barnabas, Titus.
3. Peter, James and John in Jerusalem

Then your encore performance is to claim Jesus's explanation of the wheat and tares parable is wrong, that you have some esoteric knowledge Jesus Himself didn't know when He explained HIS OWN parable!

People shouldn't even listen to you after you read the instructions on how to build a 3 shelf bookcase from Walmart, let alone your understanding of the Word of Almighty God.

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

originally posted by: NOTurTypical
a reply to: JinMI

You can either believe the testimony of Christ or not, that's up to you.

Isn't this a thread about Satanism (an athiestic philosophy of self-worship)?

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say it might go without saying that people into it aren't into "Jesus".

Well, what people need to hear and what people want to hear are rarely the same thing.