OUR NEWS: superstate instead of the EU - France and Germany ultimatum

originally posted by: VivreLibre
Not to worry

America and Britain will bail these idiots out again when the time comes

Wasn´t the Brexit debate won with hate and racism? Because too many foreigners try to reach the UK?

Is "foreigner" a race? That's new.

No doubt the USA will turn up late again

a reply to: Peeple

We will always be with you militarily, we are are NATO Brothers, no matter what.

You will all be welcome to visit our country, if you have the required skills and attributes, you will always be welcome to live here and join OUR beautiful community.

I would have probably agreed to remain if there were reforms in the democratic process or at least the promise of consideration. But no, Juncker couldn't recognise the problems with the Union and threatened us 2 days prior to the referendum that there will be no more reforms. They weren't willing to listen, but it's now been enforced, changes to suit the usual two, plus Italy.

We should be going in with the Continentals and not retreating into the island fortress. Total madness going alone when the EU is our neighbour and main trading partner. Total flippin madness. Now we have our politicians all resigning on all sides including Cameron our PM, our economy is going to be in turmoil and our currency is in free fall. I always dreamt of one day going and working in Munich in Germany at BMW, sure it's a dream but it was always possible when we were all part of the same. Total craziness we are now leaving the EU just because our council house tennants are pissed off about immigrants. To finish things off we've just been knocked out of the European Cup by Iceland Now the England manager Hodgson has resigned along with our PM Cameron and the opposition leader is set to join them soon in the dole queue. This country is going down hill quick

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

visegrad group-west slavic countries
czech republic
poland
hungary
slovakia

hungary and poland are definite no-go's. 2 countries with higher nationalism and sick of being stepped for the past 400 years.

I could see bohemia going in on it and I dont know anything of note about slovakia.
p.s. I wish they'd call czech republic "bohemia".

I could see, France, belgium, Holland, germany, Bohemia, Austria, Italy, Luxembourg. Then maybe the nordic countries. The productive societies excepting southern France and Southern Italy.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: awareness10

The express, very anti eu. Just saying.
Besides that I can live with those three being the first ones to pull through. I'm on board. Just watched the press conference of Hollande, Merkel and Renzi, Europe will be fine.


Everybody with this ww2 and Nazi comments just showed how far away from contemporary reality you live. I am very greatfull you left since you still seem to be stuck in the 50ies.

At one point wasn't Germany part of France? Didn't the RC'S have control over France, Italy and Spain? I does look like ww2 borders, what reality are you living in? It must be the one where merkel is intelligent rather than a scumbag puppet.

Cheers - Dave

ok here are a few more links to take a look at,

uatoday.tv...

en.wikipedia.org...

"European superstate" is a term mainly used to describe greater political integration in Europe, generally in the form of a reformed European Union,[1] although it could also be linked to other historical attempts to bring the continent together as one single national entity.[citation needed] This has included the idea of a common fiscal policy, a common debt and a common military, among other things.

The implication of the loss of individual state's national identity with the replacement of one single homogeneous identity by a European superstate has been criticised by individuals such as Nigel Farage from the UK Independence Party (the most prominent Eurosceptic political party in the United Kingdom), who believes that "by forcing [disparate European nationalities] together into this European block ... what you will do is to create nationalism".

Individuals such as the former German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer have said the EU must in the end become a single federation, with its political leader chosen by direct elections among all of its citizens.

However, claims of this creating a "European superstate" have been rejected by former UK European Commissioner Chris Patten and many members of the EU.

Individuals such as the former German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer have said the EU must in the end become a single federation, with its political leader chosen by direct elections among all of its citizens. However, claims of this creating a "European superstate" have been rejected by former UK European Commissioner Chris Patten and many members of the EU.

www.thenews.pl...

The document in which the proposals appear is to be presented to Visegrad Group countries meeting in Prague on Monday by German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier, TVP Info said, adding that the document was an "ultimatum".

TVP Info said the proposals would mean members of a superstate would in practice have no right to their own army, to a separate criminal code or a separate tax system, and would not have their own currency. In addition, TVP Info said, member states would lose control over their own borders and procedures for admitting and relocating refugees.

Polish Foreign Minister Witold Waszczykowski told TVP Info: "This is not a good solution, of course, because from the time the EU was invented... a lot has changed. “The mood in European societies is different. Europe and our voters do not want to give the Union over into the hands of technocrats.

a reply to: bobs_uruncle

That's the point, I know a city gate which still has a Swedish cannonball stuck in it, in bavaria, south germany. We always fought, it isn't that old we started centralising and building states. But don't believe it was peaceful before, than it was bavaria versus tirol. Then came the austrian-Hungarian days. That's all not that long ago.

The point is not Merkel, or whatever face but the idea behind. It is nothing like ww2, but the opposite and as we managed to go from rivaling caves to federal unions, no "tptb", or whoever influenced us to do so, it is kind of a cultural evolution and yet bavaria for example still has its little differences. Schwaben isn't Oberbayern, or Franken, but we still are all bavarians, Germans and europeans.

I keep repeating I'm not pro Merkel, I like the greens, always did. But if she says something that's true I can get over myself to admit that. Maybe you should try that too? Some content instead of faces, groups, flags...

a reply to: Peeple

You don't think tying your country to an organisation that lacks real democratic accountability is a risk?

Sure, there are risks with freedom, but that's not something to quail from.

I don't feel the need to belong to a trading bloc simply to bully other countries into accepting a bad deal, trade ought to make both sides richer, if a deal is bad, don't sign it.

The EU does not have the best interests of ordinary people at heart. It has the best interests of the commission etc.


There's also nothing wrong with the union flag. (It is only the union jack when flying from the jack staff on a warship).

Have some bloody faith in yourselves. German engineering is top notch, German people are capable of anything they want to achieve. You really think that the land of Beethoven, Warner, Neitsche and Engels is no longer capable of producing world renowned intellects?

I get that you are mostly consumed by guilt after the war, but there comes a point you need to forgive yourselves and move on. We may make jokes, but we know you aren't what you were, if the allied powers can forgive, you should too.





As for Iceland, well, they played to the spirit of the game. Well done to them, and seeing our players shellshocked and heartbroken at the end made me wonder when they will ever learn and actually play up to the badge on their chest.

At least Hodgson has gone.

The Official Poster was issued by the European Union, showing the Tower of Babel and carrying the slogan: “Many tongues, one voice.”



Albeit, i'm using this website to show certain coincidences along with what the EU was created for and where it's gone since that time, it would seem as though they're trying to create a type of 'Biblical Endtime Scenario' but, to each his own.

www.arewelivinginthelastdays.com...

That many in Europe have been thinking on these lines for years is shown in a chilling quote from Paul-Henri Spaak, former Belgian Prime Minister and President of the Consultative Assembly of the Council of Europe nearly 50 years ago. He said:


More recently Jack Lang, then president of the French National Assembly’s foreign affairs committee, said that the EU



Since Brexit, it's beginning to look like their Ivory Tower is beginning to fall, again.

a reply to: awareness10

If you think about it, the more people there are within the EU, the more diluted and inconsequential each one's voice becomes.

a reply to: SprocketUK

And again I learned something

As a side note Sarah Wagenknecht just said she wants more referndums, for decisions which have influence on peoples lifes. Europe wide. There is hope.

If you think about how much money they make and then they loose to people with real jobs, it's pretty. But I admit probably the whole continent made at least a little "hehehe", after you know... you broke up with us.


a reply to: awareness10

This is so cheap, the first thing people who start to look beside msm fall for is the kneejerk reaction "whoa there must be some sinister all mighty being behind it", be it what it may as long as I don't have to admit it is much more complicated. And me and my behaviour allow this mess to happen.

But I know I shouldn't engage with you, propaganda is all you have to share. In spades. Always.

a reply to: SprocketUK

It does yes, i am quite happy for the UK having left, their voices weren't being heard by the few and to be quite honest, if stay sayers had won Brexit, i doubt there'd have been another chance to leave the EU at all.

a reply to: Peeple

Yea Peeples and all you can do is Baaaaahh out yours right?

People have opinions, i know you disagree with that, and of course, i fully expect you to Spin it in your favor as you always do.

Lets just be adults and agree to disagree, shall we?

a reply to: awareness10

If you can't see how the poster was someone being creative I have to point out that it's plane...unaware of reality. But if you think it helps you to yell doom, do it, just don't believe it makes you look anything but susceptible to superstition.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: awareness10

If you can't see how the poster was someone being creative I have to point out that it's plane...unaware of reality. But if you think it helps you to yell doom, do it, just don't believe it makes you look anything but susceptible to superstition.

Which poster of which article?

Who's yelling Doom? Not I.

The last one made me laugh, Thankyou. I needed one, tough day! and no i'm not superstitious in any way shape or form.

I like to use articles that have that ounce of truth in them, perhaps i should have made myself clearer when posting. My appologies oh humbled sheep, from when'st thou came, i knoweth not.

originally posted by: awareness10
The Official Poster was issued by the European Union, showing the Tower of Babel and carrying the slogan: “Many tongues, one voice.”

Albeit, i'm using this website to show certain coincidences along with what the EU was created for and where it's gone since that time, it would seem as though they're trying to create a type of 'Biblical Endtime Scenario' but, to each his own.

www.arewelivinginthelastdays.com...

That many in Europe have been thinking on these lines for years is shown in a chilling quote from Paul-Henri Spaak, former Belgian Prime Minister and President of the Consultative Assembly of the Council of Europe nearly 50 years ago. He said:

More recently Jack Lang, then president of the French National Assembly’s foreign affairs committee, said that the EU

Since Brexit, it's beginning to look like their Ivory Tower is beginning to fall, again.

Your poster, superstition and doom yelling. Have a nice day.

a reply to: Peeple

Yelling i didn't even use caps!!! I protest, thou frothy faced swan sucker!

Oh and btw that Poster there, yes that one. I didn't make it, the EU professionals made it. Just so ya know it wasn't created by some sane person.

a reply to: awareness10

Right, because some old man working for the dark side sits in a cellar in Brussels and drew that poster. I'm speechless.
Don't you think it's more likely they hired an advertising agency?

Hate to tell you, but paranoid, seeing biblical end time signs in reality, is not my definition of sane.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: awareness10

Right, because some old man working for the dark side sits in a cellar in Brussels and drew that poster. I'm speechless.
Don't you think it's more likely they hired an advertising agency?

Hate to tell you, but paranoid, seeing biblical end time signs in reality, is not my definition of sane.

You seriously think some old fart living in a cellar in Brussels created this poster? Seriously? Get of the Pot man.

I nearly forgot, you love to push your ideals on others but Satan forbid if anyone else has an opinion other than yours right? Okie Dokie then.

a reply to: Peeple

Because everybody else does. Do you think China invests in Africa out of the goodness of their buddhistic hearts? Because you like bananas and coffee and mangos all year. That means you should want to make sure the producers can do so under circumstances which are fair. Because you are looking for your own advantages, be attractive for the cleanest most modern investors. Have jobs.

Ah I see...and your own advantage means someone else's disadvantage, no ?

Political influencing is what got us in this mess we're in.

If it were up to me...I would stay out of other countries politics...and focus on the well being of my own people.

Ordinary Joe (which is majority of the population) has no need or benefit from political influencing.