SCOTUS Strikes Down Texas Abortion Ban

originally posted by: lortl

originally posted by: thesaneone
a reply to: Annee

We DO NOT need any more neglected children.

Then people need to plan their lives better but then again personal responsibility is thing of the past.

There's 6 billion people, how do you propose to give all of them personal responsilbilty?

The U.S is being discussed here. No need to exaggerate the discussion anymore then that. If you want to discuss abortion on a worldwide scale i suggest making a separate thread on it. Although i dont see it as a very viable one.

Unless we have get a one world government maybe

And again the argument that an unborn human life is vitally important ... unless murder is determined otherwise by "medical necessity."

My god.

a reply to: everyone

Because you created the conflation?
Because you compared abortion to pot?

a reply to: everyone

In this case it concerns a unborn human life. Un-born, but alive.

An unborn fetus is as much a human life as a skin cell is. Well, slightly more so, but not by much. A fetus holds the potential for human life, potential that may or may not be realised. Potential that doesn't matter to anyone but the potential parents of that potential life and oh my god why won't people just get over it.

Unborn Parasitic Fetus =/= Autonomous Baby.

Abortion imo should be a lot less accessible as a option then it is today.

Less accessible compared to what? What is your acceptable level of access?

a reply to: Gryphon66

The argument that a fetus is "unborn human life" is ridiculous to begin with. There might be a case to be made where it's viable outside of the uterus without medical assistance... Maybe. But a fetus is not a human, not what most people would consider to be "human", at least.

a reply to: Phage


It seems you have not understood the conversation that went on there. It was dawnstar that tried to throw medical necessities together with the privilege of choice, i pointed out the difference there in. And i did not compare abortion to pot and i am pretty sure you understood that just fine. It was a comparison of partial similarity
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a reply to: everyone

And i did not compare abortion to pot and i am pretty sure you understood that just fine.

You are mistaken.

Since you included two quite disparate things in the same post/paragraph, it seemed to me that you were comparing them. If you were contrasting them, I apologize for my misunderstanding.

originally posted by: Eilasvaleleyn
a reply to: Gryphon66

The argument that a fetus is "unborn human life" is ridiculous to begin with. There might be a case to be made where it's viable outside of the uterus without medical assistance... Maybe. But a fetus is not a human, not what most people would consider to be "human", at least.

Agreed. I pointed out earlier the rather gross and absurd comparison that if they really believed that they would start gathering the remains of every natural abortion, giving it a name, buying it a coffin and having it buried in the family plot. Fifty percent of fertilized ova are spontaneously aborted. Wow, the tiny casket market is going to skyrocket!

Heck, why not also preserve every menses and nocturnal emission as well? The absurdity knows no bounds.

Not to mention, the hypocrisy.

originally posted by: Eilasvaleleyn
a reply to: everyone

In this case it concerns a unborn human life. Un-born, but alive.

An unborn fetus is as much a human life as a skin cell is. Well, slightly more so, but not by much. A fetus holds the potential for human life, potential that may or may not be realised. Potential that doesn't matter to anyone but the potential parents of that potential life and oh my god why won't people just get over it.

Unborn Parasitic Fetus =/= Autonomous Baby.

Abortion imo should be a lot less accessible as a option then it is today.

Less accessible compared to what? What is your acceptable level of access?

Well that is nothing more then your opinion on the matter and still a very non conclusive debate.

Less accessible then it is now. Reasons like "i dont want a baby right now because i have plans/think im to young/im scared and i dont think i can handle it etc and certaintly not bring in things like annee seem's to favor like government funded abortions. But as a whole i dont pretend to know what actually would be a good level of access. Like how you pretend to know what constitutes as life. That level of access would be something that would need to be looked at very closely like we do with any law's in the system imo and not on a whim just because someone laid the question down.

a reply to: everyone

it seems you did also??'

I was responding to someone who thought if we could only get everyone on birth control, we could eliminate 90% of the abortions. I pointed out that since 12% were due to medical reason, and 52% were on some type of birth control the month that they got pregnant, I that there was no way you would reduce the rate by 90% that way.

and maybe if there wasn't so many hospitals in the US at the present time that seem to be treating the women's health and life as secondary to the fetal life, I wouldn't be centering my attention on that part of the population. heck women have had to undergo second operations to have tubal litigations because these hospitals denied them when they had c-sections within their walls.

a reply to: thesaneone

Why do you care that another chooses a legal medical procedure? You said you didn't care about sob stories. So why does the choice women have stir up feelings in you to voice opinions with judgments?

a reply to: everyone

less accessable??

like this law that would have basically shut down most of the remaining clinics in the state (for the sake of protecting women's health of course) with absolutely no plans to ensure that these clinics could adequately cover the entire state?
or the one that was vetoed in oklahoma that would have removed the licensing from any doctor who was found to have done an abortion.... heck, I don't believe the original version of that law even included an exception for the life of the mother. and as it was written in it's final form, would have had and exception as far as the licensing goes, but still would have imposed a prison sentence.. I suppose any women who knew beforehand that an abortion might come with complications or maybe didn't want to risk it, could just move out of the areas that lost access to abortions through these stupid laws....
although, have a county health clinic restructure themselves and include family planning in with their pediatrics and start telling their workers that they have to provide birth control and make abortion referrals and all heck breaks lose!! a women can always travel over a hundred miles if she wants an abortion, even when she is miscarrying, feverish with infection and carrying a nonviable baby...
but no, it's just too cruel to expect a little county health nurse to have to seek employment elsewhere. after all she has religious freedom!!!

I wonder if all those women's clinics that were forced to shutter their doors will file suit against the state to recoup and reopen?

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: avgguy
What's so hard about being a responsible adult. I really don't get it. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out how to not get pregnant yet we have like 2 million abortions a year.

The very difficult choice to have an abortion is quite often the reflection of that adult responsibility.

Perhaps if we hadn't wasted so much time in this country failing to educate young people on biological realities, teaching them about contraceptives, PROVIDING them the contraceptives, and harping on ridiculous epic failing solutions like "abstinence only" ... perhaps this wouldn't be the issue that it is.

Can't tell them about birth control though ... that's just gonna encourage Siiiiinnnnn-ah!

The argument against abstinence is a completely bogus, and ignorant argument. I would wager that nowhere in this country, in any school – anywhere, are students taught that the only answer to sexuality is to stifle it through abstinence. It is simply suggested that as a young person, you should abstain from sex. In addition to that suggestion students are taught how to have sex. It has been that way since I attended fifth grade in 1985 atleast, and I am from a small town.
When I hear these kind of comments that you make, it makes me wonder if you were hoping for hands-on experiences in sex Ed, or some other kind of pairing up of children for sexual exploration, or charts pictures and videos of a graphic nature maybe?

I see alot of you are brainwashed...Humans always seem to amaze me.

originally posted by: windword
I wonder if all those women's clinics that were forced to shutter their doors will file suit against the state to recoup and reopen?

Let's hope not right?

originally posted by: In4ormant
Did no one else find it troubling that Texas needed 42 abortion clinics at one point.

Can we educate some people so they will stop murdering babies.

Obviously someone unfamiliar with the size of Texas. If you live in Dallas and drive to Brownsville, it will take you approximately 10 hours and you never left the state.

Dallas to San Antonio = four to five hours drive

Dallas to Houston = four hours drive

God forbid, El Paso to the border of Texas and Louisiana = 12 hours? 14 hours?

originally posted by: TheKnightofDoom
Anyone else find it sad that the people on ATS who always cry freedom and hold the constitution as the be all and end all are the ones who are attempting to stifle women's rights?.
I guess they only care about freedom and the constitution when it suits them.

I've always had trouble understanding how some people can be so hell bent on forcing all pregnancies to term, yet those same people are the first to complain about having their taxes go to Medicaid, food stamps, or any other form of support.

"You must have that baby, but not on my dime!"

a reply to: shredderofsouls

And as usual constitutional rights prevails, regardless of the nature of the law and those that opposed to the original intent.

I was expecting no less.

The supreme court did the right decision.

a reply to: apydomis

Guttmacher Facts

Research suggests that strategies that promote abstinence-only outside of marriage while withholding information about contraceptives do not stop or even delay sex. Moreover, abstinence-only programs can actually place young people at increased risk of pregnancy and STIs.

Strong evidence suggests that comprehensive approaches to sex education help young people to delay sex and also to have healthy, responsible and mutually protective relationships when they do become sexually active. Many of these programs resulted in delayed sexual debut, reduced frequency of sex and number of sexual partners, increased condom or contraceptive use, or reduced sexual risk-taking.

This is downright scary:

• The share of adolescent females receiving formal instruction about how to say no to sex but receiving no instruction about birth control methods increased from 22% to 26% between 2006–2010 and 2011–2013. The share of adolescent males receiving similar instruction also increased during this time period, from 29% to 35%.

• Declines in formal sex education were concentrated among adolescents residing in rural areas. For example, the share of rural teens receiving instruction about birth control declined from 71% to 48% among females, and 59% to 45% among males.

• Formal instruction may not be skills-based; only 50% of teen females and 58% of teen males received formal instruction about how to use a condom.

• Many sexually experienced teens (43% of males and 57% of females) do not receive formal instruction about contraception before they first have sex; fewer received instruction about where to get birth control (31% males, 46% females).

News flash: teenagers ARE GOING TO DO IT. Teach them about birth control- where to get it and how to properly use it.

I honestly think the only reason teen pregnancy is on the decline is because shows like '16 and Pregnant' show the actual reality of it, and the fact that kids can look up facts on the internet. Abstinence only sex 'education' programs are a joke.