Pope Francis says Christians should apologise to gay people

Pope Francis says Christians should apologise to gay people

Then muslims should apologize for Orlando.

How about that forbidden fruit?

a reply to: neo96

I don't think Pope Francis speaks Parseltongue..........Or does he?

a reply to: AMPTAH

ah yes that will most definately be next for His Popliness.

Didn't they or those associated with them name a Observation telescope after Lucifer, or something like that?

Perhaps they're hoping he'll arrive and make them xtra special subjects to the religious cause.

Well this guy doesn't speak for me, and as far as his demand for an apology goes, he can kiss my grits. I won't apologize for calling sin what it is, and I won't apologize for people of other belief systems tossing homosexuals off rooftops and shooting them in nightclubs. I won't apologize for having a different opinion.

Maybe he should do something actually sensible, and apologize to all of the victims of pedo priests, and for the atrocities of the Inquisition, and stop assuming he speaks for Christianity.

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

By all means, lambast the first pope who is Christian in deed rather than word, for a genuinely Christian act. Let the dogma you have been exposed to become more important than the spirit and love of Jesus Christ. After all, it's only your soul that will suffer for it.

Facepalm does not cover it.

Definitly a postive step in the right direction. However, it's still just trying to fit an old religion in to a modern and progressive society.

Anyway, It's still great to see such a huge religious figuare giving support to a minority group of people that have been punished for a long time.

Or maybe this is just the begining of the antichrist era!!!!

a reply to: TrueBrit

I'm sorry, but the Pope just presumed that spoke for all Christians. Unless I miss my guess, that is a monumental chunk of hubris there. Now, I know that pride is most certainly a very human failing, but I did not know it was also a uniquely Christian one.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: TrueBrit

I'm sorry, but the Pope just presumed that spoke for all Christians. Unless I miss my guess, that is a monumental chunk of hubris there. Now, I know that pride is most certainly a very human failing, but I did not know it was also a uniquely Christian one.

“I think that the Church not only should apologise … to a gay person whom it offended but it must also apologise to the poor as well, to the women who have been exploited, to children who have been exploited by (being forced to) work. It must apologise for having blessed so many weapons.”

I think he was referring to the Catholic Church.

Which consequently also is the largest Christian organization. Besides that it read as I think:

And he is right. Christianity never should have supported killing sodomites

a reply to: luthier

I hold the opinion that it serves no purpose for me to apologize for things I had no part in, and I have less love for the "guilt" industry that people seem to be making themselves party to.

Feel guilt for being white. Feel guilt for being Christian. Feel guilt if you make too much in the opinion of others.

This idea that somehow you reclaim your virtue if you claim guilt, a sense of false morality, is sickening.

originally posted by: cuckooold
So the Pontiff himself has come out and said that not only should gay people should not be discriminated against, but that the church itself should apologise to them.

www.theguardian.com...

Pope Francis said on Sunday that Christians and the Roman Catholic Church should seek forgiveness from gay people for the way they had treated them.

In an hour-long conversation with reporters on the plane taking him back to Rome from Armenia,the pontiff was asked if he agreed with recent comments by a German Roman Catholic cardinal that the Church should apologise to gay people.

The pope recalled Church teachings, saying: “[Gay people] should not be discriminated against. They should be respected, accompanied pastorally.

“I think that the Church not only should apologise … to a gay person whom it offended but it must also apologise to the poor as well, to the women who have been exploited, to children who have been exploited by (being forced to) work. It must apologise for having blessed so many weapons.”

Still not condoning homosexual acts, but definitely a step in a more tolerant direction.

He seems inclined to apologise for other sins of the church.

“We Christians have to apologise for so many things, not just for this (treatment of gay people), but we must ask for forgiveness, not just apologise; forgiveness. Lord, it is a word we forget so often.” he said.

No doubt his words will draw scorn from some, but I think it a positive move from the head of the Catholic church.

When will the left be demanding Islam apologize and atone for their crimes against other religions and gay people I wonder?

a reply to: chuck258

Need to wait a good few centuries until all this Islamic fundamentalist madness has run its course regarding any apologies being offered up by our Islamic cousins.

I mean all you have to do is look at the atrocity's Christianity has yet to put its hands up to or admit they played there part in to see that religion seldom apologizes for its actions.

a reply to: ketsuko

Is that a Christian tenant?

You think if Christ saw what Christianity did to the world he wouldn't apologize and try and bring society back together.

You can hold your belief. That your peragative

I don't think it's crazy that a pope of the largest church in the world is apologizing for what the church did. Maybe he shouldn't have said all Christians. But he probably assumed a Christian would want to bring people back to the faith.

After all we still have Govenors trying to use religeous laws to govern secular society.

Something you also seem to be fine with.

originally posted by: Raggedyman
Wouldn't it be nice if atheists put there hands up and say Mao, Stalin and Pol Pot were stupid atheists and acted subhuman

What semi-educated person, atheist or not, would ever deny that? They WERE subhuman, of that there is no doubt.

I don't mind what you believe, just don't blame religion for all the violence and hate, unbelievers have a bigger death toll they can claim
Simple?

Well no, it isn't. Because the main 3 monotheistic religions all look forward to the end of things, to the afterlife or whatever you want to call it and promote various means and methods of achieving it (the Rapture, jihad, etc). And because they have 'god on their side' only reinforces this belief.

No one ever said atheists or those without faith are only ever peaceful or without acts of extreme violence. The only difference is your religions perpetuate a vicious cycle of violence based on their 'god' who is on their side and is the justification for what they do.

originally posted by: noonebutme

originally posted by: Raggedyman
Wouldn't it be nice if atheists put there hands up and say Mao, Stalin and Pol Pot were stupid atheists and acted subhuman

What semi-educated person, atheist or not, would ever deny that? They WERE subhuman, of that there is no doubt.

I don't mind what you believe, just don't blame religion for all the violence and hate, unbelievers have a bigger death toll they can claim
Simple?

Well no, it isn't. Because the main 3 monotheistic religions all look forward to the end of things, to the afterlife or whatever you want to call it and promote various means and methods of achieving it (the Rapture, jihad, etc). And because they have 'god on their side' only reinforces this belief.

No one ever said atheists or those without faith are only ever peaceful or without acts of extreme violence. The only difference is your religions perpetuate a vicious cycle of violence based on their 'god' who is on their side and is the justification for what they do.

So
You condemn religious folk for their beliefs, maybe just silly myth, just daydreams and ignore 100 plus million caused by atheist political systems
Now I don't know what Muslims believe, I am sure many Jews don't believe in the afterlife Sadducees but Christians are called to preach the gospel, like here now, so you don't face condemnation
If we remained silent then yes, your complaints would be justified

If we preach we are hated, if we don't we are evil predators


So yeah, sounds like you just like to complain

a reply to: noonebutme

You don't even know what Jihad means. It means struggle, is purposely used to slander the beliefs of Muslims and has nothing to do with judgement or the end of the world.

I don't know many Biblically educated people who believe in a rapture. It's the most ignorant thing to think that you are going to be beamed up to Heaven because you are special and the apocalypse is not the end of the world. It's a book that almost nobody understands. Most of the prophecies in it already happened during the Roman war with the Jews and the Beast is long dead.

a reply to: cuckooold

Still not condoning homosexual acts,

Maybe they are confused about what are homosexual acts or mixing it with pedophiles , since they appear to practice it often between priest and children? Maybe they need clarification that you can be gay without being a pedophile priest?


Give it 10 years max before the church starts performing gay marriages to stay relevant.

Apologize to gays for what? Because they're gay?

No. I'll apologize the day it's my fault that they're gay.

a reply to: luthier

Christ was not into the collective. He would want me to atone for what I had done, not for what others had done.

I am not going to walk up to any one of the several gay people I work with and say, "Hey, I know I've never mentioned this before, but I'm a Christian. And I know Christians have done bad things to gay people in other times and places, so I am sorry."

There is no point. It makes me look like I am guilty of things I am not guilty of, and it's purely unnecessary.

It would be like me walking up to one of my black coworkers and saying, "Hey, I know I've never mentioned this before, but I'm white. And I know whites did bad things to blacks in other times and places, so I am so sorry ..."

You get the idea.

a reply to: ketsuko

This is the issue. You have to think before letting yourself be offended.

Do you honestly think the pope was saying to literally walk up to gays and apologise?

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: ketsuko

This is the issue. You have to think before letting yourself be offended.

Do you honestly think the pope was saying to literally walk up to gays and apologise?

No, actually he just wants me to feel eternally guilty for daring to profess to a faith that had things happen in its past with other people that did bad things to other people.

But I am going to go out on a limb and guess you are male, so I will be waiting for you to apologize for that and for the way men have treated women throughout history any day now. Then I expect your personal apology to me if you really believe this nonsense.

Thing is that I don't. You might be male and I might be female, and men may have done a lot of bad things to women. But YOU have never done anything personally to ME. So I don't see what the point would be of making you apologize for any aspect of it.

It won't change the past, and all it does is attempt to shame you for being who and what you are.