New Rule Requires Doctors To Treat Trans Patients As Their Pretend Sex

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Hazardous1408

Given the histrionics that transpeople seem to indulge in over everything else related to being reminded that they are not the gender they want to be, I wouldn't be very happy as the doctor to do that.

And I am being serious.

If I have a transperson who demands I use the preferred pronoun of she come in and treat them like a woman and then come down with prostate cancer ... I don't honestly know what I would do. I have someone who is so obviously wanting to be a woman, but now I have to remind that person they are not a woman by telling them they cancer of an organ that only men have.

That's why decent doctors act like adults. If you can't be a grown-up and call somebody what they prefer to be called (be it he, she, or Bob) and wrap your head around medicine at the same time, you are too stupid to be a doctor. Simple.

Sane adults can admit to what sex they were born as.

Medicine requires science. Science says XX = female, XY = male.

originally posted by: Hazardous1408
a reply to: ketsuko

Ok let's go with your premise for #s and giggles.

What Court in the great old US of A is ever going to allow a doctor to be sued for doing their job?

Because if they would, you have bigger problems than imaginary trans folk suing imaginary doctors for imaginary prostate examinations.

Ever heard of the 9th Court of Appeals?

a reply to: Annee

Attacking the messenger with a lib/prog site!

(drink)

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Hazardous1408
a reply to: Teikiatsu

If people pay for their insurance then the insurance companies should have to fork out for it.
It's not their money anyways.

Insurance paying for a medically unnecessary procedure?

Not their money... yeah that is the problem.

And it's not your diagnosis nor call as to whether or not something is medically necessary. You are not a doctor. And no, your medical opinion doesn't matter.

Because you are not a doctor.

originally posted by: Annee
What a ridiculous article.

As if respecting the patient is a new thing.

Just more fear mongering.

Respect includes being truthful.

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Hazardous1408
a reply to: Teikiatsu

If people pay for their insurance then the insurance companies should have to fork out for it.
It's not their money anyways.

Insurance paying for a medically unnecessary procedure?

Not their money... yeah that is the problem.

And it's not your diagnosis nor call as to whether or not something is medically necessary. You are not a doctor. And no, your medical opinion doesn't matter.

Because you are not a doctor.

I never said I was. But what if the doctor says it is unnecessary? Because science, biology, etc?

a reply to: Teikiatsu

Don't you think the doctors know a little better than you? Why don't you leave it to the professionals?

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Hazardous1408

Given the histrionics that transpeople seem to indulge in over everything else related to being reminded that they are not the gender they want to be, I wouldn't be very happy as the doctor to do that.

And I am being serious.

If I have a transperson who demands I use the preferred pronoun of she come in and treat them like a woman and then come down with prostate cancer ... I don't honestly know what I would do. I have someone who is so obviously wanting to be a woman, but now I have to remind that person they are not a woman by telling them they cancer of an organ that only men have.

That's why decent doctors act like adults. If you can't be a grown-up and call somebody what they prefer to be called (be it he, she, or Bob) and wrap your head around medicine at the same time, you are too stupid to be a doctor. Simple.

Sane adults can admit to what sex they were born as.

Medicine requires science. Science says XX = female, XY = male.

Ugh... you know that's not even true. If you've been on even one of ATS's daily anti-trans threads, you would have come across links to all of the different variations of chromosomes in men and women.

Sex and gender are made up of several different markers, none of which are universal and all of which have equal importance. If a person has all the female markers but, say, chromosomes, why do you think you get to pick that one marker to determine her gender? Because you say so? Get real.

Many transfolk are biologically the gender they identify as. Just because you choose to ignore the rest of the biological gender markers doesn't make them irrelevant.

originally posted by: Teikiatsu
a reply to: Annee

Attacking the messenger with a lib/prog site!

(drink)

I knew that would come up.

You gonna deny The Federalist is Right Wing - - - because I sourced Media Matters?

I sourced it because it had the most info in one place. Its not the only source I read.

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: Teikiatsu

Don't you think the doctors know a little better than you? Why don't you leave it to the professionals?

Maybe because I have a little thing called freedom of speech and a biology education.

Maybe because I know it annoys libs.

If you don't like the subject, no one is forcing you to contribute.

Why don't you leave this discussion to the adults?

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Hazardous1408
a reply to: Teikiatsu

If people pay for their insurance then the insurance companies should have to fork out for it.
It's not their money anyways.

Insurance paying for a medically unnecessary procedure?

Not their money... yeah that is the problem.

And it's not your diagnosis nor call as to whether or not something is medically necessary. You are not a doctor. And no, your medical opinion doesn't matter.

Because you are not a doctor.

I never said I was. But what if the doctor says it is unnecessary? Because science, biology, etc?

Then it's unnecessary. But surgeons who have letters and referrals from psychologists and other specialists won't say it's "unnecessary" because that's their freakin' job.

a reply to: Abysha

Spare me the intersex defense. They are the epitome of outliers on the bell curve.

a reply to: Annee

I said it because that was what you actually did.

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Hazardous1408
a reply to: Teikiatsu

If people pay for their insurance then the insurance companies should have to fork out for it.
It's not their money anyways.

Insurance paying for a medically unnecessary procedure?

Not their money... yeah that is the problem.

And it's not your diagnosis nor call as to whether or not something is medically necessary. You are not a doctor. And no, your medical opinion doesn't matter.

Because you are not a doctor.

I never said I was. But what if the doctor says it is unnecessary? Because science, biology, etc?

Then it's unnecessary. But surgeons who have letters and referrals from psychologists and other specialists won't say it's "unnecessary" because that's their freakin' job.

And if they do say it's medically unnecessary? Because science, biology, etc.

a reply to: Teikiatsu

Why don't you leave this discussion to the adults?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

This is coming from someone who claims to know science.

Whew. Thanks for the laugh. Carry on.

a reply to: Teikiatsu

Why don't you leave this discussion to the adults?

Would you be talking about the adults who have to make things up?
The rule does not say what you claim it does.

originally posted by: Teikiatsu
a reply to: Annee

I said it because that was what you actually did.

Actually, NO.

I read several sources, then linked the source that had the most info in one place. Which just happened to be MM.

Does not change the info.

a reply to: Teikiatsu

Did you even read the rule? Did you even check to see if your article is being truthful? Phage and I and few others have pointed out that no such thing claimed in the article was covered in the rule.

originally posted by: Teikiatsu
a reply to: Abysha

Spare me the intersex defense. They are the epitome of outliers on the bell curve.

It's not the "intersex" defense. It's the "you are ignoring every biological gender marker except for the one you like to parade around when talking about transgender people" defense.

Besides, intersex people are far from the only chromosomal anomalies. Many people don't even know their chromosomes don't match the gender they thought it did until they go to a doctor for their reproductive problems.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Teikiatsu
a reply to: Annee

I said it because that was what you actually did.

Actually, NO.

I read several sources, then linked the source that had the most info in one place. Which just happened to be MM.

Does not change the info.

So MM is not a lib site, and you did not attack the messenger?