White House: Obama ‘Profoundly Frustrated’ — Ready For More Executive Action On Gun Control

originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: enlightenedservant

If this is true, then why do the vast majority of today's actual NeoNazis support the right wing and the Republican Party?

Numbers please. Need facts on this to keep me from calling BS . REAL facts.Or is is another case of "just words , just speeches" ?
And in , you have a right to support anyone. Whether or not the party accepts that support.Of course , no party declines support . Even the extreme Liberal left.

Go to Stormfront or any other NeoNazi site and see for yourself. Don't try to play stupid.

originally posted by: markosity1973
NOT going to comment on Obama making yet another dictator style authoritarian move, but...


Here is something on the subject for everyone to consider, a great analogy to highlight how we in other countries think.

If you see a kid in a playground with a stick beating another kid over the head with it, do you

A) Give the kid being beaten up and all the other kids in the playground sticks so they can beat the crap out of the naughty kid

OR

B) Take the stick away from the first kid, send him to detention and let the other kids keep playing their games?

It really is that simple of a choice to make. But the people need to understand and support it.

Giving people more guns is like putting petrol on a fire so it will go out quicker instead of using a fire extinguisher.

Is it that simple? The bully only gets detention, but what happens after school? What should the kid being beaten do in that instance? He can go tell his parents, and they go talk to the bully's parents, and that kid gets grounded. But does that stop the bullying?

What a terrible analogy. One good sock in the mouth and the bully has no power anymore. It's why would be robbers run away when the clerk pulls out a shotgun from behind the counter. Because people who bully, people who cause terror, people commiting crimes look for those they percieve as weak. It's why mass shootings happen in gun free zones 9 times out of 10.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

Go to Stormfront or any other NeoNazi site and see for yourself. Don't try to play stupid.

No. I avoid sites like that as a plague...and you ? I asked for numbers , stats. You provided none.

Don't try to play stupid.

Typical Left tactics . Name calling ( or implications , thereof)
All you got ?????
And with that :
Thank you for playing the game. But you have no tokens.

Obama is still campaigning . It almost seems as if he thinks he is running for re-election. Poor thing doesnt realize that his time is over. And the Dems bring "gun" control up at least 39 times a year. Havent they got any other legislation on their plates ? Legislation to help the country or the people therein ? Or are they all just "one trick ponies" ?

a reply to: enlightenedservant

I bet many "commenters" on those racist sites are infiltrators.



And I bet more that Republicans and Conservatives don't support them.

It's all hyperbole isn't it.

What I see from the RIGHT are a bunch of mall ninjas with "Red Dawn" syndrome ...

...who have BOUGHT into some kind of propaganda that they WILL play a crucial role in defending themselves from the government.

What is WORSE is how the propaganda by the NRA and OTHER lobbying groups use FEAR and RACE to make people think everyone is to GET them and their shiny toys.

The NRA was hijacked back in the 70's by opportunistic groups, and EVERYONE just went along with it, ALLOWING themselves to be BRAINWASHED.

Guns don't keep you safe. A smart BRAIN keeps you safe. Just as guns apparently don't kill, but people do -- smart people don't NEED to be 'strapped' to be safe... we never were in such numbers, and America ISNT more dangerous...despite what FOX and Brietbart tell you.

originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: enlightenedservant

If this is true, then why do the vast majority of today's actual NeoNazis support the right wing and the Republican Party?

Numbers please. Need facts on this to keep me from calling BS . REAL facts.Or is is another case of "just words , just speeches" ?
And in , you have a right to support anyone. Whether or not the party accepts that support.Of course , no party declines support . Even the extreme Liberal left.

Go to Stormfront or any other NeoNazi site and see for yourself. Don't try to play stupid.

Oh so 'neonazis' have to be told to go neonazi websites.

I guess us evil righties aren't very good neo nazis.

a reply to: DanteGaland

What I see from the RIGHT are a bunch of mall ninjas with "Red Dawn" syndrome ...

What I see from the LEFT are a bunch of parrots that wait for people like Obama to give them their opinions.

Who have bought anti gun propaganda.

What is WORSE is how the propaganda by the NRA and OTHER lobbying groups use FEAR and RACE to make people think everyone is to GET them and their shiny toys.

Says the hoplophobes using FEAR and PARANOIA to push gun control.

Absolutely priceless.

Guns don't keep you safe. A

They don't ?

THEY DON't?

a reply to: DanteGaland

Why didn't Congress pass gun laws when they had enough Democrat votes in 2009 - 2010 ?

I know why.

The Constitution was in their way just like now.

The NRA might be more interested in the Commerce & Tax laws.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

You know hillary was endorsed by a California chapter of the kkk. And we'll the guy that your claiming endorsed Trump changed his mind.

Ku Klux Klan Grand Dragon Will Quigg Endorses Hillary Clinton for President

He says he's retracting his endorsement of Donald Trump.

For so LONG I hear terms like "sheeple" ...

But SADLY ... tonight? I see a LOT of ignorance. I see a lot of FEAR, ANGER and HATE.

And those things? Those things DESTROY people's minds and are used as TOOLS of CONTROL.

Studies have shown a strong negativity BIAS in self-identified conservatives....

....so ASK if you are "conservative" ... who is trying to SCARE me?

And then? ... you will FIND your brainwasher.

originally posted by: DanteGaland
For so LONG I hear terms like "sheeple" ...

But SADLY ... tonight? I see a LOT of ignorance. I see a lot of FEAR, ANGER and HATE.

And those things? Those things DESTROY people's minds and are used as TOOLS of CONTROL.

Studies have shown a strong negativity BIAS in self-identified conservatives....

....so ASK if you are "conservative" ... who is trying to SCARE me?

And then? ... you will FIND your brainwasher.

Ever going to stop with the POLITICAL TROLLING ?

a reply to: DanteGaland

The only reason you are alive and able to comfortably sit in front of your screen and post on this forum is because of guns.

How many times have you walked on an American flag?

a reply to: enlightenedservant

Hey, I wanted to let you know that I'll be back to respond. Don't worry brother, you're not alone. I'm a conservative, even authoritarian by some standards, but I see you have an excellent handle on things.

Don't let the overly emotional people get to you. It's fear, not their personalities - at least I hope.

Much love to you and I'll be back tomorrow to continue my response to your information which you graciously provided.

a reply to: DanteGaland

Your whole premise is based on a bias fallacy - who said al pro 2nd amendment folks were 'on the right'?

Guns don't keep you safe? How do you think this country was founded?

a reply to: DanteGaland

Smart people learn how to survive and protect themselves. That allows them to continue the alternative is extinction. As far as the NRA you do realize that banning weopons would be against there policy in aby decade nit sure what you think you know.

See the reason for taking guns is Stickley political. Politics by its very nature means envoking fear and conflict. Without this politicians can't convince people to vote for them. So in any situation where people disagree they will be on one side or the other since being in the middle gets you no where. This is why politicians are always at the extremes. Now unfortunately in the time we are in negotiation and compromise are gone. No one compromises anymore instead they dig in and push their agenda.

Banning gins isn't the solution giving free access to guns isn't the solution. Using common sense is the difference you see today vs the 70s. Well it's simple the NRA wasn't on the defensive no one was pushing to ban all guns all they had to worry about was trying to make sure rules didn't go to far. Times has changed politics has changed now we deal in absolutes even though they don't exist. Banning guns would have no effect look at the Boston bombers they didn't use guns. Hell I can go into my garage and make a gun with stuff I can buy at home depot. I know given a couple of weeks I could have a fully automatic pipe pistol if I wanted to.

You can't prevent people from coming up with ways to kill. What you can do is be cautious and alert. People just don't wake up one day and go on a killing spree there is always warning signs. Now should we make it easy for people to buy guns no we shouldn't there should be a certain level of responsibility as a society we should expect from gun owners. I personally think anyone who owns a gUn should take gun safety course. I believe there is no problem having it registered and serial numbers should always be able to be traced back to the owner. I can give you a car vin number and in an instant we can see who's car it is.I don't think guns should be any different they are also a responsibility.

a reply to: DanteGaland

Smart people learn how to survive and protect themselves. That allows them to continue the alternative is extinction. As far as the NRA you do realize that banning weopons would be against there policy in aby decade nit sure what you think you know.

See the reason for taking guns is Stickley political. Politics by its very nature means envoking fear and conflict. Without this politicians can't convince people to vote for them. So in any situation where people disagree they will be on one side or the other since being in the middle gets you no where. This is why politicians are always at the extremes. Now unfortunately in the time we are in negotiation and compromise are gone. No one compromises anymore instead they dig in and push their agenda.

Banning gins isn't the solution giving free access to guns isn't the solution. Using common sense is the difference you see today vs the 70s. Well it's simple the NRA wasn't on the defensive no one was pushing to ban all guns all they had to worry about was trying to make sure rules didn't go to far. Times has changed politics has changed now we deal in absolutes even though they don't exist. Banning guns would have no effect look at the Boston bombers they didn't use guns. Hell I can go into my garage and make a gun with stuff I can buy at home depot. I know given a couple of weeks I could have a fully automatic pipe pistol if I wanted to.

You can't prevent people from coming up with ways to kill. What you can do is be cautious and alert. People just don't wake up one day and go on a killing spree there is always warning signs. Now should we make it easy for people to buy guns no we shouldn't there should be a certain level of responsibility as a society we should expect from gun owners. I personally think anyone who owns a gUn should take gun safety course. I believe there is no problem having it registered and serial numbers should always be able to be traced back to the owner. I can give you a car vin number and in an instant we can see who's car it is.I don't think guns should be any different they are also a responsibility.

As a police officer that supports the 2nd Amendment and that would never participate in any type of gun confiscation, I just wanted to thank the several insults blanketly levied against police officers by some of the ATS members in this thread.

Class acts I tell ya.

a reply to: neo96

Reminds me of Mark Zuckerberg. He lives in a fortified compound within a walled in community with armed security guards, and advocates for open borders and gun control.

#ing hypocrite.