Society is forced to be accepting of gays & transgenders.

a reply to: celinem

No, not hate. The feeling of being forced to accept anything goes when it comes to "sexual orientation and gender" is part of the plan hatched many decades ago by the global planners who call themselves, "The New Order of Barbarians," in their global social engineering project to reduce world population. The traditional heterosexual couple with a traditional family is being intentionally phased out. Forcibly and by design. It's very real.

ENCOURAGING HOMOSEXUALITY ... ANYTHING GOES HOMOSEXUALITY ALSO WAS TO BE ENCOURAGED. "People will be given permission to be homosexual," that's the way it was stated. They won't have to hide it. And elderly people will be encouraged to continue to have active sex lives into the very old ages, just as long as they can. Everyone will be given permission to have sex, to enjoy however they want. Anything goes. This is the way it was put. And, I remember thinking, "how arrogant for this individual, or whoever he represents, to feel that they can give or withhold permission for people to do things!" But that was the terminology that was used.

That excerpt is a tiny example of the the long term plans of this group and if one takes the time to read the whole, lengthy transcript which is also available on YouTube as a recording one will see how all of these agendas are falling into place. Constant change is being forced upon humanity and is not accidental.

Transcripts

Many websites have uploaded the transcripts. I don't favor one website over the other. The link I just included happened to be the first one I clicked on and read weeks ago which has the transcripts.

There are a ton of links about this lecture given by Dr. Richard Day to a roomful of doctors in 1969 and which was later recounted by one of the attendees, Dr. Lawrence Dunegan, on tape and has since been uploaded to YouTube as well as transcribed. Dr. Dunegan has passed but his contribution has been shared on many websites. Here's another one:

The Revelations of Dr. Richard Day

Also, an excerpt about the lecture:

Rесоrding dеviсеѕ were nоt аllоwеd in the rооm аnd taking nоtеѕ wаѕ nоt аllоwеd. Luсkilу, Dr. Dunеgаn hаd a near photographic memory аnd tооk good nоtеѕ whеn hе got hоmе frоm thе lесturе. The notes stayed in his dеѕk fоr 20 years until hе рullеd them оut and dесidеd to mаkе аudiо tapes of thе infоrmаtiоn in 1989. Dr Day ѕtаtеd thаt hе would bе in rеаl trouble if thе infоrmаtiоn hе wаѕ tеlling them gоt out to the gеnеrаl public. Was it a coincidence thаt Dr. Dау died the ѕаmе уеаr that Dr. Dunеgаn bеgаn diѕtributing this infоrmаtiоn on audio tареѕ in 1989? After thе lecture wаѕ completed, Dr. Dау gave a hурnоtiс ѕuggеѕtiоn tо thе entire room thаt thеу wоuld рrоbаblу forget еvеrуthing thеу heard tоdау but would bе ready fоr thе соming сhаngеѕ. Whеn Dr. Dunеgаn аѕkеd some оf hiѕ friеndѕ that wеrе in thе room whаt thеу thоught of the lесturе a fеw wееkѕ lаtеr, nоnе оf thеm соuld tеll them what it wаѕ аbоut!

From this website:

Know the Lies

Reading the transcripts or listening to the tapes on YouTube will give great understanding as to why things are rapidly happening as they are today in the world and how they were gradually introduced decades ago and constantly pushed, pushed, pushed ever since.

OP, if I could ask something of you, I would ask you and your peers to acquaint yourselves with the information given by Dr. Dunegan so you have a bigger picture of what your generation is facing. It's all by design.

a reply to: kaylaluv

I know that its not the same but what if your mutliple personality has gender issues

call it crazy conspiracy theory but I wouldn't be surprised if there was some agenda to force the species into some sort of asexual state where we no longer reproduce and stop our good genes from being passed on and our species from evolving physically.

It's not the first time that this has been mentioned on ATS

bring it up and you would be classed as some sort of homophobe

What if it were true though ?

an easy and non invasive way to stop us spreading like rabbits is to make us asexual beings and slowly we turn into the grey

a reply to: sapien82

That's what my post above is showing. The ultimate goal of the global planners is an androgynous population which does not reproduce the "old fashioned" way.

originally posted by: tweetie
The feeling of being forced to accept anything goes when it comes to "sexual orientation and gender" is part of the plan hatched many decades ago by the global planners who call themselves, "The New Order of Barbarians," in their global social engineering project to reduce world population.

I can tell this is BS because population is actually declining in developped countries.

If they really wanted to reduce population by inciting homosexuality they would target poor countries first.

Which they don't.




The reality is that homosexuality has always existed (even in more traditional nations) and represents a non-negligible part of the population.

the only thing which change lately is that they become more visible as they don't need to hide anymore in fear of being rejected or even killed.


Your little theory makes absolutely no sense at all. There are no more homosexuals today than in the past, and developped countries don't need to reduce their population at all.

originally posted by: sapien82
call it crazy conspiracy theory but I wouldn't be surprised if there was some agenda to force the species into some sort of asexual state where we no longer reproduce and stop our good genes from being passed on and our species from evolving physically.

It's not the first time that this has been mentioned on ATS

It's not the first time stupid theories are mentionned on ATS indeed.

Why would any nation effectively want to stop its workforce (and potential army force) from reproducing. This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.

Usually they want their opponents dead, not their own citizen.

a reply to: SpaceGoatFart

Well it maybe silly however for that idea to have any form of sense it would need to be a non human force carrying out this scheme, playing the long game , non invasive way to get a species to stop growing without doing damage to the host planet or the host species.

Once we are asexual we would be easier to control.

I'm not buying it , but its possible.

As others have said I think its more prominent now in society because people are becoming more accepting of homosexuality.
We are slowly returning to how society was before monotheism when homosexuality was as common as mass orgy and people freely expressed themselves

originally posted by: sapien82
I'm not buying it , but its possible.

As long as it's clearly stated that this theory is about aliens pushing a "gay agenda" in the US to stop them from evolving (like they needed any help for that), I'm OK with it.


But when it's sneakily suggested that governments or media or the UN or whatever are doing it (why would they do it? It's against their interest) than I have to mock this theory to make sure everyone realize how ridiculous it is.

originally posted by: sapien82
Well it maybe silly however for that idea to have any form of sense it would need to be a non human force carrying out this scheme, playing the long game , non invasive way to get a species to stop growing without doing damage to the host planet or the host species.

Do we have any facts indicating that there are, all proportions equal, more gays today than in the past?

Because I doubt it's the case.

originally posted by: sapien82
We are slowly returning to how society was before monotheism when homosexuality was as common as mass orgy and people freely expressed themselves

So basically to make us stop evolving, a "force" would return society to a time we were actually evolving and reproducing quickly?

How does that even make sense?

Is this common on here to throw "theories" like that on the wall to check if they stick?

There are no more gays today. They just are more visible.

And they don't ask more support they just ask to be killed less and insulted less and discriminated less because of their sexual orientation.


If you don't like seeing or hearing or talking about gays, then don't watch the prides, don't watch gay porn, don't go to gay clubs.

And most important:

Don't make stupid threads saying how you think we talk too much about gays for your own taste.

If you can't see the irony of all this you are beyond help.




When I read in this thread people claiming that society is shoving gay propaganda in their face every day, I wonder if they don't read the wrong magazines and watch the wrong TV shows and movies because I see no such things


If on the other hand, your sensitive eyes and ears can't even handle the sight or sound of a gay person, and you wished they stay locked in their homes so you don't have to see them you might as well remove your eyes and ears because gays have always been a part of this world and they are here to stay whether you like them or not.


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A few years ago I worked a side job. I was always on schedule, on time, did my duties and interacted pleasantly with everyone. I took off for maternity leave. After I had the baby the lady in charge of the job told the job coordinator not to take me back because I was a single mother with tattoos and it "set a bad example".

For the record: I was a single mother by choice because I was hitting 30 and didn't want to die childless. My tattoos were not visible unless I lifted up my shirt sleeve.

To be essentially fired from a job is such asinine BS and this is the type of crap LBGT have to deal with on the daily. They're just trying to live their lives. They aren't hurting anyone. They may be the best employee ever, but will be turned down for work because they're gay. They may have plenty of money in their pocket, but are refused service because they're gay. They could be with their partner for 30 years, but until recently no one else legally recognized that relationship.

If you said 'I personally don't get being gay, I'm straight, but I support LBGT being able to live their lives without discrimination, violence or harassment' I don't think anyone would have a problem with that. No one is trying to force you to be gay or think of gay as the preferred way to live. They just want to enjoy the simple respect that 'normal' people like you take for granted.

a reply to: SpaceGoatFart

Very well said SGF. LGBT's have always been around and for many centuries feared for their lives in being "different". What is called propaganda is merely the emergence of this population from their hidden places. There is finally a time they can live in with more tolerance and acceptance and that time is now. They want the same freedoms as EVERYONE else. They want to be seen and heard just as they are. No one is shoving them in our faces or down our throats. They are just now finally able to be open about it. This is hardly a forceful situation. Bigots are usually the ones who would think so. If one does not agree with something, then they are sensitive to it and therefore easily offended. Why can't you just turn away? If you don't like something, why feed into it and pay attention to it more? What's wrong with tolerance for ALL people? I've dealt with plenty of Axxholes in my life and I still keep my dignity by working with them and acknowledging them. Even bigots! You don't have to like something or agree with it. Just don't judge things you don't really understand.

Look... I have two older brothers. One is gay and the other is Bi. I am hetero. Growing up, I had first hand experience about what they had to put up with in school. Kids can be VERY cruel. They had to lie about their sexuality to survive. How would you feel about denying who you really are? Transgender people are going through that now. Close minded people, especially religious ones, want to define the world in black or white. They are just finding out that there are many shades of gray in between. It's always been there! We need to acknowledge everyone for who they are regardless if you believe in them or agree with their different lifestyle. The debate on TG bathrooms is taking it to a whole new level. Critics try to overly-pervert what is being proposed by saying that TG people are somehow child rapists or similar. What a gross judgement and over simplification of the situation. I would bet that many of these same people would go to church on Sunday and ask for peace & love in their lives, and then turn around & place the worst judgement of all on someone they don't even know. Shame on you!

Are you tired of the bad things that happen in the world? We begin to make things better by being kind, compassionate, and loving towards each other. The old school paradigm of thinking is falling away, and we have a real chance to change the world if we can only take small steps for kindness. Keep an open mind. We all change over time and so do our perceptions. Be willing to hear someones argument without judgement, and see things from their point of view. It's easier than you think if you just try... We can start... Today!

originally posted by: tweetie
a reply to: sapien82

That's what my post above is showing. The ultimate goal of the global planners is an androgynous population which does not reproduce the "old fashioned" way.

Yes because the "old fashioned" way has lots of problems.

First of all the scriptures say God "created" man. So, creating man must be good. God did it. And God is good.

But, since God created man, we've basically been "reproducing" on our own. We've even developed a "theory" that this is how we always came into being. It's called "evolution". By constantly "reproducing" with slight variations occurring here and there, modern man has come to be what he is today, starting from about the size of a "virus" or "bacteria", we've changed much. That's the scientists "theory".

The problem is that this constant reproduction, is starting to fill up the earth.
At some point, there wouldn't be any more space for humans to stand up on the ground, much less get food to eat etc..

So, we need some form of population control.

China introduced the "one child per family" rule. So, we could try laws like that. But, they still have 1.4 Billion people, and growing.

Not only are the populations of the world exploding, but the poorest countries are making the most babies, while the developed countries have to import immigrants just to keep their population from declining. Richer people have fewer kids. They use birth control. It would be better if the richer people had more kids than the poorer, but "reproduction" works against that design plan.

Also, reproduction introduces "errors" in the genetic code, so people are born with lots of diseases which ther "inherit" from past mistakes in the reproduction copy process all down the ancestral line.

Now we can "fix" all these problems with a single solution. Change the body type of the people to become "asexual" beings.

Look at all the problems that will solve:

1) total population of earth can be strictly controlled. Just like immigration, you have a "quota" of how many babies you'll allow every year, and parents apply to the government to get a kid, and go on the waiting list. No more population explosion problem. Earth can now feed everybody.

2) distribution of population among rich and poor is then easily "flipped around", just like immigration, you have to show that you can financially support the new entry into the society, without needing government support, before being granted permission to have kids.

3) genetic diseases completely wiped out, since the DNA code of the "created babies" are then "edited" before making new people, so all the historical errors that entered the gene code are removed as soon as they are identified. Population is more healthy, more productive, and free of inherited disease.

4) all sexual orientation discrimination and sexual harassment completely eliminated, there are no more men and women, gays and lesbians, trans-gender and transvestite, metrosexuals and pedophiles, all are axesual and as holy and pure as the biblical eunuchs. Everyone has equal opportunity to enter the workforce, or military, or do anything at all, without the bother of another person's "attitude" towards them, because of their perceived "sexiness."

5) The monks on the Greek Island of Mount Athos, can now come down from their isolated perch, and rejoin us in the rest of society, without the worry of seeing a disturbing image of some female passing by their view. And Greece can feel it's a full member of the European Union, abiding by all laws, policies, and rulings of the EU council.

6) No more bathroom problems in public places for men that identify as women, or claiming such to go take a peak at little girls in the restrooms.

7) no more rape, so college campuses completely safe, and no judge has to be removed anymore for being too harsh or too lenient on some perp. Students can study their school work in peace and security, and freely walk the campus any time day or night without worry of being pulled into the bushes for some horny person's quicky.

So many problems of society are solve by one single change to man, that obviously, that's the way we're headed.

a reply to: celinem

I'm a bisexual female and I get where you are coming from, I hear you, so star and flag. There is a lot of societal pressure put on people to not just accept LGBTQ but even celebrate it, which is... weird, hypocritical and even counter-productive IMO. If people don't support it they should be allowed to not support it. They certainly shouldn't be socially required to veritably fawn over LGBTQ people. At this point if you aren't straight you almost get a free pass on some really crappy behavior and it irritates me to no end.

a reply to: celinem

I am kind of old school here...

In what SPECIFIC ways are you " basically forced to be 'ok' with the idea of gay marriage, transgender " etc...

I think the root of your complaint might be confusing Gov. sponsored discrimination with your own right to free speech and expression.

You don't have to be OK with anything...but in situations that involve legally discriminating against someone..in business, law etc. you can't discriminate.

The KKK is doing just fine...no one is forcing them to shut up or not hold rallies..

Be who you are, but don't complain if others don't agree.

originally posted by: redhorse
There is a lot of societal pressure put on people to celebrate LGBTQ

Wait. What?

Where? Can you show some examples of this pressure to celebrate gays? Because honestly I've never seen anything close to it.

I wonder how people felt when they were forced to be okay with women voting... or speaking in church... or earning more than their husbands... or choosing to not have kids or be married. Or when we were forced to not burn them at the stake for playing with plants or basically speaking their opinion about anything.

a reply to: SpaceGoatFart

with regards to society returning to how we were before monotheism I meant that separate from the alien theory.

just to clear up the confusion as that wouldnt make sense I totally agree.

with regards to the alien theory I was just adding my thoughts to the possibility as tweetie had mentioned it.
It is ATS afterall and we always find crazy theories on here and yes some people do throw around theories alot.
Whether its alien overlords , sapce nazis, inter dimensional beings, mind control even gay agenda by government propaganda

My opinion on the treatment of homosexuality in society today and the treatment of women all stems from the rise of monotheism, ever since god showed up he subjugated women enslaved them and made out that gays are sinners and deserve death which I find utterly disgusting.

As for knowing how prevalent homosexuality is in human populations there is no real way to measure that or even know as I doubt thats any kind of record that would have been kept.

Whilst there does seem to be more of an emphasis on bringing gay culture into the public eye now more than ever before I think like you suggest its only because its a drive for equality and support not for some hidden agenda like turning our species into asexual beings.
because we are so connected now through the internet everyone at some point will come across gay culture , its how we deal with our feelings toward it and whether we accept it or not we have to be able to understand that for some people its a way of life.
Sadly this is not always the case and there are those who will act out against it which is a sad part of our society

a reply to: SpaceGoatFart

also I just realised what an excellent user name you have

a reply to: AMPTAH

To me, you described the planned future of humans and why so much of what is happening now isn't just happening, it's the long term, carefully engineered agenda in motion. All resistance to this agenda will eventually be removed, speaking from my 60-year-old perspective, but it takes time to wear it down, re-program consciousness and breed it out of the gene pool.

When one initiative fails, another takes its place but it's never seen as failure because it's part of the process of forcing change; reworking the human template. Bit by bit.

(No wonder I have an adjustment issue.)