"Flat earth?" Who are these people and what is their purpose?

a reply to: KingPhilipsiX

Um yeah... primer fields and the electromagnetic nature of the universe that has been denied for ages.

Saturn 6th planet... not much complicated about that with a hexigon or gram begin 6 sided. Any thing else that linking all the subject matter away and looking at the frame work is becoming subject to the subject matter already filled with various biases that will pull one out of objectivity and make one grasp at a desired fruit like a monkey.

Doing such is not scientific... look at the dots between all of them not the subject matter into which it was found... then shed out the basic jargon and dogma and the trap door under the other reaching that covers truth is seen under all those magic carpet rides.

Strange people they are, i would say. They believe things that were appealed many years ago.

originally posted by: leastofthese
We live on an oblate spheroid. The only oblate spheroid in the ENTIRE OBSERVABLE UNIVERSE is the one we happen to be living on. Sorry, I don't have any pics of the 'pear' we live on, but it must be true because 'science' says so. Good enough for me.

Wrong on both counts.

Firstly, telescopes and space exploration have proved that many plants are oblate spheroids, including Saturn and Jupiter. We know this is true not because 'science says so', but because we have objective evidence to prove it.

Secondly, an oblate spheroid is not pear shaped.

originally posted by: leastofthese
a reply to: KingPhilipsiX

Ok, getting back to the OP.

Who is doing this?

As far as I can tell they're just regular folk, like you and me. No angles as such and when you speak to people who are interested in this subject, there appears a genuine concern for the validity of the presence of a spinning ball/oblate spheroid beneath our feet.

Some arguments presented appear to defy currently accepted scientific models and theories pertaining to the shape of the Earth.

While other FE theories appear to fall 'flat' on their face, pun intended.

Indeed, there are many questions, and even more dilemmas once one strays down this path.

Everyone wants answers, proof or it doesn't exist, photo or it never happened, you get the gist.

At this stage, the scene is set and the play continues. I can't offer any proof because I simply haven't reached a conclusion as yet, and I'm more doubtful now than I've ever been that I will ever reach a conclusion, it's as if we're not meant to know. There seem to be many layers involved here, most appear tangible while others not so.

I also scoffed at the flat earth idea and ridiculed it until I took closer looks.

Now I have a lot more questions than I've had since I began researching and it's not because I believe the earth is flat but they ask questions that I look at now that I wasn't aware of before. I totally realized I had no idea wtf is going on and the truth is hidden even deeper than I thought.

This also brought me into the ww2 Nazi, Admiral Byrd information and now I really don't know wtf is going on.

originally posted by: Darkmadness

I also scoffed at the flat earth idea and ridiculed it until I took closer looks.

ok - what expects of this "closer look " caused you to abandon your ridicule of the FE delusion ?

Now I have a lot more questions than I've had since I began researching,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

ok - i like a chap who asks questions - please post up your 5 ` most important ` that you would like to here my answer to

This also brought me into the ww2 Nazi, Admiral Byrd information and now I really don't know wtf is going on.

i have a sinking suspicion that you have spring boarded from one delusion to another

but hey - before we digress int another area of WOO lets hear your 5 top questions - and you can find out what you think of my answers

a reply to: Ellie Sagan

but the problem is - they are not " questioning the mainstream " with thier flat earth delusion

they are willfully ignoring reality

the spheroid model is empereically demonstrable by 3 very simple experiments - that can be done by just 2 people [ travel and or geographic seperation is required also ]

1 - the Eratosthenes experiment

very simple - and with modern measuring and time keeping equipment modern maths + average inteligence a figure for the dimater of the spheroid earth with an error of < 1% is easily obtained

however - the Eratosthenes experiment permits 2 conclusions :

A - the earth is a spheroid and the sun is a great distance away

B - the earth is a flat plane - and the distance to the sun is approx 3000km

now as A and B are mutuially exclusive premises - a second experiment is needed to verify which is correct

so lets do experiment two

2 - the easiest one = the paralax of the sun and or moon - simultaneous observations of either the sun or the moon from points > 6000km apart will reveal an degree of parralax that is difficult to measure without specialist equipment

however IF these celestial bodies were 3000km above a flat plane - the paralax would be absolutly obvious even to the naked eye

thus - the earth is a spheroid - QED

and then there is always polaris - for the cherry on top

the above is all very simple science - but the flat earth cultists will never address it - got to wonder why

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: Ellie Sagan

but the problem is - they are not " questioning the mainstream " with thier flat earth delusion

they are willfully ignoring reality

the spheroid model is empereically demonstrable by 3 very simple experiments - that can be done by just 2 people [ travel and or geographic seperation is required also ]

1 - the Eratosthenes experiment

very simple - and with modern measuring and time keeping equipment modern maths + average inteligence a figure for the dimater of the spheroid earth with an error of < 1% is easily obtained

however - the Eratosthenes experiment permits 2 conclusions :

A - the earth is a spheroid and the sun is a great distance away

B - the earth is a flat plane - and the distance to the sun is approx 3000km

now as A and B are mutuially exclusive premises - a second experiment is needed to verify which is correct

so lets do experiment two

2 - the easiest one = the paralax of the sun and or moon - simultaneous observations of either the sun or the moon from points > 6000km apart will reveal an degree of parralax that is difficult to measure without specialist equipment

however IF these celestial bodies were 3000km above a flat plane - the paralax would be absolutly obvious even to the naked eye

thus - the earth is a spheroid - QED

and then there is always polaris - for the cherry on top

the above is all very simple science - but the flat earth cultists will never address it - got to wonder why

Ive said it before and ill say it again. You wanna question mainstream physics, thats fine. But show us the maths. Physics is maths. All our mainstream physics theories run on maths. Without it, you have nothing other than a neat (or not) idea and are no more worth listening to than the drunk guy down the pub.

Since the maths proving earth is an oblate spheroid is sound, there is no need to question it.

a reply to: ignorant_ape

and then there is always polaris - for the cherry on top

It works for any star. It's one method that has been used by navigators for centuries. The Polynesians, for example, used Arcturus. It is the zenith star for the the Hawaiian Islands. Sail north (toward Polaris, "Hokupaa") until Arcturus ("Hokulea") is overhead then hang a right and keep going. You'll find Hawaii. That would not work on a flat world.

Polaris is cool though, because its elevation matches (pretty much) your latitude.

the flat earthers seem to have pulled a " brave sir robin " - i didnt expect that

originally posted by: MongolianPaellaFish

originally posted by: leastofthese
We live on an oblate spheroid. The only oblate spheroid in the ENTIRE OBSERVABLE UNIVERSE is the one we happen to be living on. Sorry, I don't have any pics of the 'pear' we live on, but it must be true because 'science' says so. Good enough for me.

Wrong on both counts.

Firstly, telescopes and space exploration have proved that many plants are oblate spheroids, including Saturn and Jupiter. We know this is true not because 'science says so', but because we have objective evidence to prove it.

Secondly, an oblate spheroid is not pear shaped.

So where are the pics showing Earth as an oblate spheroid?

originally posted by: VanDenEviL
So where are the pics showing Earth as an oblate spheroid?

a reply to: KingPhilipsiX

If you look at a bell curve of Iq's this is the -3 sigma crowd.

a reply to: MongolianPaellaFish

Source of the pic?

a reply to: 3danimator2014

Since the maths proving earth is an oblate spheroid is sound, there is no need to question it.

What values is that math based on and what is calculated?

a reply to: MongolianPaellaFish

And really, with this 42 km difference, which is about 0.3 percent of the total, on that scale, it should pretty much be looking like a perfect sphere.

And in that pic, there is almost a 10 percent difference in length between the polar diameter line and the equatorial diameter line, which is by a factor 30 plus.......

a reply to: VanDenEviL

please dont lie - its undignified

a reply to: ignorant_ape

Where did I lie about what?

And throwing around unfounded accusations is dignified?

a reply to: VanDenEviL

FFS -You just lied about the dimmensions of MongolianPaellaFish`s image

a reply to: VanDenEviL

you want the maths - the Eratosthenes experiment can with modern instruments easily calculate the earths size to within a < 1% error

nextly - this can be confirmed by polaris - that returns a 111km [ rounded ] distance between each line of latitude

the two tally - the earth is a spheroid - the mathematics is correct