Hmm, the real reason behind the cameras on the telephone poles

a reply to: geezlouise


Mall is private property VS public roads. Huge difference

More tangible reasons, Video surveillance has not been proven effective, CCTV is susceptible to abuse, limits or controls on cameras haven't been established, and a consensus on limits for the capability of public CCTV systems hasn't been reached. www.aclu.org...

The cameras are pretty innocent right now. They are there to grab $ for running red lights, traffic flow and accident video (insurance industry). But think of the potential, I know police agencies are. New York has a massive plan to have tons more surveillance in the near future. I am a big enough man to admit when I am wrong, and I hope I am.

Uh, cameras on poles only catch bad guys/gals OUTSIDE-
if you keep your shades and drapes drawn.
Oh, and they can scan license plates and do facial recognition.
Small part of total crime, though.

They will, however, in a massive presence, track everybodys movements,
perfect for thought control ala BigBrother. We knew it was coming.

a reply to: musicismagic

a reply to: malevolent
Keep in mind I believe Americans to be a peaceful and caring people, until the scenario we are discussing goes down.

Are you saying removing 200 million firearms from American's hands would be quick and painless?

I think it would be very difficult to remove the firearms because the firearm removal teams would suffer huge resistance leading to unsustainable losses of team members.
If this turned into a house to house effort to remove the guns, the first houses would be relatively easy, til the word got out an people formed up and started to resist. Then it gets bad for everyone.
I still fail to see the easy, or are you saying easy cause your hand would be clean because you are in an "safe" building giving marching orders? It wouldn't be "safe" for long.

a reply to: Drawsoho
While expensive now, cameras can see through walls and I imagine they would include the option on pole cams as soon as price allows. www.betaboston.com...

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: malevolent
Keep in mind I believe Americans to be a peaceful and caring people, until the scenario we are discussing goes down.

Are you saying removing 200 million firearms from American's hands would be quick and painless?

I think it would be very difficult to remove the firearms because the firearm removal teams would suffer huge resistance leading to unsustainable losses of team members.
If this turned into a house to house effort to remove the guns, the first houses would be relatively easy, til the word got out an people formed up and started to resist. Then it gets bad for everyone.
I still fail to see the easy, or are you saying easy cause your hand would be clean because you are in an "safe" building giving marching orders? It wouldn't be "safe" for long.

and how did this turn into a firearms discussion? actually im not against anyone having them. i think your starting to assume things about me and what i posted.

i said "if" so i find it hard to believe that some world organization is trying to take over it like its being assumed to

a reply to: malevolent

point taken

The cameras around here are on every intersection now, pretty much. They are long focal length the boxes are long so they can zoom in on the filings in your teeth if they want.

Facial recognition software can be thwarted by wearing a billed cap, sunglasses and sporting a beard.

This breaks up the profile facial software searches for to match you with your many photo IDs on record. Things like the height of your forehead the distance between the eyes, the shape of the chin, the distance between the bottom of your nose and lips, etc.

That is a terrible thing. Looking in behind peoples walls. Really ripe for abuse.
Also, using lasers, it is possible to eavesdrop on any room with windows along
line of sight. It detects the vibrations. A listener on 34th street in NYC can
listen to brokers who are in a room in a tall building across town.

Intrptr - what about your license plate? Even if they can't recognize your face
they can read your plate. Cops use it all the time, while they just sit on the
side of the road waiting for the right plate to go by.


a reply to: seasonal

a reply to: musicismagic
Most of the traffic cameras where I live have been shut down (and generally state-wide) due to funding concerns . Also , the wonderul stop lights on the entrance ramps to the major highways.

a reply to: geezlouise

Like the time I was arrested and charged for a pretty serious crime, I asked the custody sergeant upon release (on bail) "what do I have to do to prove my innocence? fit CCTV in every room?" his response was a nod of the head. That one case cost me thousands in legal fees and the loss of two houses to pay the thousands. (yeah I had three at the time). Innocent in the court case that followed but no refund on fees LOL, thanks justice system.

Therefore, I think we should all be chipped, microphoned and camera'd so that any doubt can be reviewed with actual audio, visual and location evidence.

What say you geez

originally posted by: musicismagic
That's it, people. You need to start destroying them cameras or you're freedom to be yourself will be destroyed.

Do you have any ideals how to destroy those cameras? It would look silly if someone caught you climbing a utility pole with a baseball bat.

My thought is using some type Tesla gun that can shoot a plasma beam of ionized particles into the camera sensor, or maybe a electromagnetic pulse weapon. hmmmm

Cameras are all very well, but if the response time for the mall guard to come to my aid in the parking lot is 5 to 10 minuets, by the time he gets to me, if he even bothers, my shoes, wallet, and jacket are gone, never to be seen again.

originally posted by: Drawsoho
That is a terrible thing. Looking in behind peoples walls. Really ripe for abuse.
Also, using lasers, it is possible to eavesdrop on any room with windows along
line of sight. It detects the vibrations. A listener on 34th street in NYC can
listen to brokers who are in a room in a tall building across town.

Intrptr - what about your license plate? Even if they can't recognize your face
they can read your plate. Cops use it all the time, while they just sit on the
side of the road waiting for the right plate to go by.


a reply to: seasonal

I think the tech is moving too fast and our checks and balance system of law and regulation making is plating catch up in many cases. And yes, if those cameras are mounted in police cars they will be as ripe for abuse as the TSA screening with there make you almost naked cameras.
There are only a couple logical reason to mandate a license plate on all cars, tracking people/cars (insurance industry) and $. Can you think of more?

But it's okay to have a dash camera or a cell phone to record anyone else you care to, especially police. It's a deterrent to police misconduct. You say you were mistreated? Well, the body cam can prove or disprove your theory. There's no expectation of privacy in public. Cameras can work FOR you because, as the courts have said, you have the RIGHT to record.

originally posted by: imitator

originally posted by: musicismagic
That's it, people. You need to start destroying them cameras or you're freedom to be yourself will be destroyed.

Do you have any ideals how to destroy those cameras? It would look silly if someone caught you climbing a utility pole with a baseball bat.

My thought is using some type Tesla gun that can shoot a plasma beam of ionized particles into the camera sensor, or maybe a electromagnetic pulse weapon. hmmmm

Hoody and a paint ball gun. This would cause a lot of $ going into labor to clean the cameras. Although destroying them would be more costly due to the camera replacement cost.

It's the "if you're doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about" theme.

I don't like them, but I've never needed them either.

As for taking them out?

Maybe we should start thinking about it before it's too late. Because once we need to, we won't be able to.

originally posted by: UnderKingsPeak
Hey how come there are thirty cameras
that watch me go to the convenience store
but we only had one TIME LAPSE camera on
the UA flt that hit the Pentagon ?

freakin A!

why is that?

you would think we would have some the most detailed footage ever at government buildings....

but nope, it's us citizens trying to live our daily lives that are the real interest.......

a reply to: GoShredAK

That was 15 years ago. Most cameras have been installed in the 21st century.

originally posted by: schuyler
But it's okay to have a dash camera or a cell phone to record anyone else you care to, especially police. It's a deterrent to police misconduct. You say you were mistreated? Well, the body cam can prove or disprove your theory. There's no expectation of privacy in public. Cameras can work FOR you because, as the courts have said, you have the RIGHT to record.

The difference maybe the fact that I am being pulled over by a police officer that can revoke all of my rights at whim, but not tooling down the highway on my way to work, crispy cream, or just for a Sunday drive. If the cameras are there, history tells us they will be abused.
Yes you have the right to record, but does the government have the right to record the civilians freedom of movement?

a reply to: pl3bscheese

I still think there would be more than that crappy 5 second unidentifiable smear that we are allowed to see. We are talking about the pentagon, and a quick online search shows actual pictures of the day the pentagon was hit. There are cameras spanning along the entire wall that was damaged.

I imagine I can't handle seeing the video? Or were the cameras off for service? Or is the video top secret and will be released at the same time as the 28 pages of saudi 911 info, or complete info on JFK assignation?