"Spread Islam Throughout The World" The Clinton's & MVP HUMA ABEDIN (Hillary's Girl)

a reply to: Gryphon66

Adjectival ;may refer to: Anything related to or serving as an adjective.

Characterisation - a graphic or vivid verbal description

"Snide remarks" if English comprehension is not your thing.

Attacking the source rather than the issue = Ad hominem.

originally posted by: draoicht
a reply to: Gryphon66

Adjectival ;may refer to: Anything related to or serving as an adjective.

Characterisation - a graphic or vivid verbal description

"Snide remarks" if English comprehension is not your thing.

Attacking the source rather than the issue = Ad hominem.

Your misunderstanding of common terms are not the topic here. I have not "attacked the source" neither with you nor with the OP. I have "attacked your arguments" and will continue to do so, assuming you were to make one on topic.

This irrelevant, nit-picking peeing contest you're trying to participate in just reached my terminal boredom point.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Focus Question: Has Dr. Abdullah Omar Naseef been named as a person of interest in a terror investigation, placed on a terror watch list, been charged with terrorism by the US Government, et. al.?

It would seem logical to me that if a Trust he founded was designated as a Terrorist Entity (274. On October 12, 2001, President George W. Bush’s Executive Order designated Defendant Rabita Trust as a Specially Designated Global Terrorist Entity and the Treasury Department froze its assets. Defendant Abdullah Omar Naseef founded the Defendant Rabita Trust in July 1988 and is currently its chairman.), then by extension any and all associates of that entity, maybe especially the founder and director, are suspect as well.

I don't know maybe it's just me and I'm dumb.

a reply to: Gryphon66

The definitions I provided are from the first page of a google search on each word.

Sorry if you don't like them.

I'm not fond of being misquoted or accused of poor English language skills.

"Reason and free enquiry are the only effectual agents against error. "

From Thomas Jefferson press-pubs.uchicago.edu...

originally posted by: jadedANDcynical
a reply to: Gryphon66

Focus Question: Has Dr. Abdullah Omar Naseef been named as a person of interest in a terror investigation, placed on a terror watch list, been charged with terrorism by the US Government, et. al.?

It would seem logical to me that if a Trust he founded was designated as a Terrorist Entity (274. On October 12, 2001, President George W. Bush’s Executive Order designated Defendant Rabita Trust as a Specially Designated Global Terrorist Entity and the Treasury Department froze its assets. Defendant Abdullah Omar Naseef founded the Defendant Rabita Trust in July 1988 and is currently its chairman.), then by extension any and all associates of that entity, maybe especially the founder and director, are suspect as well.

I don't know maybe it's just me and I'm dumb.

Nope you're not dumb at all. I think your assumption is common and a big part of the rash assumptions made here. However that organization was founded by Dr. Naseef in 1988. Plenty of individuals were named as terrorist supporters, he just wasn't one of them.

a reply to: Gryphon66

So are you saying that the Rabita Trust and the Muslim World League are not, in fact, terrorist supporting organizations and them being designated as such by our intelligence apparatus is a mistake?

originally posted by: jadedANDcynical
a reply to: Gryphon66

So are you saying that the Rabita Trust and the Muslim World League are not, in fact, terrorist supporting organizations and them being designated as such by our intelligence apparatus is a mistake?

Did I say that?

Quote me.

a reply to: Gryphon66

I'm trying to figure out if you think that the designation was a mistake because the only other thing I can come up with is that you think that the man who founded the Rabita Trust (which was designated a Terrorist Entity) was somehow not involved with the organization he founded and was the director of.

That would be the only way in which the founder and director would not be considered suspected of terrorism when his organization was designated as a Terrorist entity.

Maybe I'm confused, but, again, I would tend to think that any people associated with a Terrorist Entity would be, themselves, terrorists; or be at least considered sympathetic to their cause.

originally posted by: jadedANDcynical
a reply to: Gryphon66

I'm trying to figure out if you think that the designation was a mistake because the only other thing I can come up with is that you think that the man who founded the Rabita Trust (which was designated a Terrorist Entity) was somehow not involved with the organization he founded and was the director of.

That would be the only way in which the founder and director would not be considered suspected of terrorism when his organization was designated as a Terrorist entity.

Maybe I'm confused, but, again, I would tend to think that any people associated with a Terrorist Entity would be, themselves, terrorists; or be at least considered sympathetic to their cause.

... and yet, despite what you believe and can conceive of Dr. Naseef has never been designated as a terrorist by the US.

This is a certain fact. And we definitely know who he is and what his connections are.

Here's a quick and curious question for right-wingers. The same Federal government that declares these Islamic groups as terrorists, have also declared certain domestic groups as terrorist. You tend to fall all over yourselves hyping up any and every possible (and impossible) connection between Islamic groups, but at the same time, dispute that the same government has the right to make the same determinations against domestic groups ...

While we're asking questions about how things make sense ...

a reply to: Gryphon66

Gryphon, why are you feigning ignorance when the evidence is clear? Even the Arab News papers have reported this:

Was Mrs. Weiner (Huma Abedin), the Deputy Chief of Staff to Hillary Clinton unaware that her mother was reported as a member of the Muslim Brotherhood? Did western media miss what has been REVEALED in several Arab newspapers, which remained SECRET in American government circles?

What is significant is that Oxford University, which has long been infiltrated by Islamists who founded the Oxford Centre for Islamic Studies (OCIS), has Huma's brother listed as a fellow and partners with a number of Muslim Brotherhood members on the Board, including al-Qaeda associate, Omar Naseef and the notorious Muslim Brotherhood leader Sheikh Youssef Qaradawi; both have been listed as OCIS Trustees.

Naseef continues to serve as Board Chairman. In 2009, Qaradawi's role within Oxford and the Muslim Brotherhood was championed by the notorious Sheikh Rached Ghannouchi of Al-Nahda – a Muslim Brotherhood affiliate now active in Tunisia.

OCIS has even presented an award for great scholarly achievement to Brotherhood member Shaykh Abd Al-Fattah Abu Gudda, whose personal history goes back to the Brotherhood's founder, Hasan al-Banna. (Even the Sunday Times acknowledges that the cradle of Islamic Jihad – Al-Azhar University – actively attempts to establish links with OCIS, where Huma's brother serves.)

Was Huma unaware of all this as she accompanied Hillary Clinton to the Dar El-Hekma women's college in Saudi Arabia? Huma's mother is the co-founder and a Vice Dean at the college and an active missionay on issues regarding Muslim women. The “Women's Division” can be found at the Muslim Brotherhood's official website; an excerpt from its goal, translated from Arabic, states:

www.shoebat.com...

The bottom line is you are going to continue to argue whether or not Huma has ties to the Brotherhood regardless of the factual evidence presented to you by several other posters along with myself...

You don't have to believe this point! I'm not trying to change your mind...If you want to go on pretending you don't know Huma Abedin via her parents, sister and brother is linked to the Muslim Brotherhood then that is your right..But please come up with a stronger argument than Naseef was a Scout leader!

Pax

Here is a little more information for you from the same source....

“The Women's Organization's goal in accordance with the Muslim Brotherhood rules, is to gain and acquire a unified global perception in every nation in the world regarding the position of women, and the necessity of advocacy work at all levels in accordance with the message of the Brotherhood as written in Women in Muslim Society, and the rearing of women throughout the different stages of life.”

And so I ask you, how do you explain this delima, as reported by Aljazeera

“Suheir Qureshi spoke of how elated she was of Hillary's historic visit... Saleha Abedin spoke after Suheir Qureshi and beamed in the presence of Secretary Clinton. Saleha's speech preceded the former First Lady's.

Then Hillary stood. She donned a broad smile as she approached the podium... Clinton started with a strong word and she spent a long time complimenting Dr. Saleha Abedin regarding her daughter. Hillary explained that Huma holds an important and sensitive position in her office. She ended her speech by speaking of Saleha Abedin's daughter (Huma), "that a person must be happy if mentioned in a positive light but there is no happiness that equals the compliment given to children in front of a parent.”

It is sacrilege in Islam for Huma's mother to accept the reality that her daughter is married to a Jew. Yet, neither Saleha nor Huma's brother Hassan denounce her marriage to Weiner, especially when it was considered null and void by some of the highest authorities on Islamic Sharia rulings.

source

Pax

originally posted by: liveandlearn
This has been in the making for decades. It is a vast conspiracy as someone jokingly said.

I have read this before and it makes me sick when put with The Coudenhove-Kalergi Plan Decades old plan to mix the races...

It all absolutely drains me...feel helpless

Great job pulling this together

Yikes,

a reply to: paxnatus

I see you're still quoting from one of your two favorite sources, Shoebat and Breitbart.

Because that's all you've "given us" in the entire thread. Your "great research" is cut-and-paste from these two "sources."

You made wild assertions in your OP, and then filled this thread up with page after page quoted word for word from TWO sources neither of which are original. Breitbart and Shoebat are "opinion" sites.

Why don't you give us the names of the "Arab Newspapers" where it has been "revealed" that the elder Mrs. Abedin is a member of the Muslim Brotherhood? Because as we all know, I'm sure that an organization based in fundamentalist Islamic beliefs would welcome a widowed, outspoken Pakistani woman into their membership, right? Right?

CAIRO — During its decades as an underground Islamist movement, the Muslim Brotherhood has long preached that Islam required women to obey their husbands in all matters. “A woman needs to be confined within a framework that is controlled by the man of the house,” Osama Yehia Abu Salama, a Brotherhood family expert, said of the group’s general approach, speaking in a recent seminar for women training to become marriage counselors. Even if a wife were beaten by her husband, he advised, “Show her how she had a role in what happened to her.” “If he is to blame,” Mr. Abu Salama added, “she shares 30 percent or 40 percent of the fault.”

New York Times

But, aside from the illogic of the claim ... what Arab newspapers? When?

And the next bit ... did you or anyone else prove that Dr. Naseef is a "al-Qaeda associate"? No of course not.

These interminable long quotes that you keep posting are from sources well-known to exaggerate and misrepresent information.

You made a very specific claim in your OP, that the Clintons, through Huma Abedin, are tied directly to 9/11, terrorism, et. al.

All I'm asking for is that proof. Not another two pages of Shoebat's weaselling posts that you're copying.

Thank you kindly.

a reply to: Gryphon66

So let me understand this correctly. Because YOU do not like the sources and they are not MSM it negates anything that has been posted here as fact?

She was the head of the Muslim Sisterhood!! Which is the branch for women associated with the Muslim Brotherhood.....

You keep misquoting me so lets get this straight...I never said Huma or Hillary were directly linked to 9/11.....You have made that assumption over and over again, so it must be true! LOL!!

Here is a 4 star General talking about how the Brotherhood has infiltrated ALL of our National Security Agencies!!



Now I guess this General is just some "right wing conspiracy theorists" Nothing he says could possibly be true....(sarc.)

Pax

a reply to: paxnatus

that video is a sure eye opener. so hadith practicioners are well underway to fulfill their dark prophesies

originally posted by: paxnatus
a reply to: Gryphon66

So let me understand this correctly. Because YOU do not like the sources and they are not MSM it negates anything that has been posted here as fact?

She was the head of the Muslim Sisterhood!! Which is the branch for women associated with the Muslim Brotherhood.....

You keep misquoting me so lets get this straight...I never said Huma or Hillary were directly linked to 9/11.....You have made that assumption over and over again, so it must be true! LOL!!

Here is a 4 star General talking about how the Brotherhood has infiltrated ALL of our National Security Agencies!!

Now I guess this General is just some "right wing conspiracy theorists" Nothing he says could possibly be true....(sarc.)

Pax

Good grief!

It doesn't matter whether I "like" your two sources that are widely recognized as completely biased. You haven't discovered anything, uncovered anything, revealed any here-to-fore hidden connections. You're merely serving up the same dreck that we've all seen multiple times over the last four or five years via cut-and-paste.

You didn't make the claim that Huma and Clinton are connected to that BS laundry list ??? You've got to be kidding. You must be.

Here is the first paragraph from your OP:

originally posted by: paxnatus
I warn you this thread is long but if you stick with it you will see the startling connection of the Clinton's, Osama Bin Laden, 9/11, the Muslim Brotherhood, Al Queda, Benghazi, Hillary's emails, Muslim terrorism, The road to the White House and the fall of America and how all roads lead back to ONE WOMAN! HUMA ABEDIN! Hillary's Most Valuable player.

Emphasis mine, words yours.

It is plain to see that you're either utterly misrepresenting yourself or you don't remember what you yourself claimed.

Either way, I've wasted enough time. Have fun with your fans.

I don't know if this OP is factual or not. But it gets to to the core of my recent worries. As a Product of the Cold War, we were intolerant of communism due to its political objective stated overtly by its leaders that they would not tolerate our democratic principles. Now in the abstract we could openly discuss the tenets of communism. Now if at anytime during the Cold War a leader knowingly allowed a communist sympathizer remotely close to state intelligence both would be up for treason. Fast forward 2016 we have political/religious group and countries who are not in the least bit tolerant of our way of life. However we are called out for not being tolerant enough. Seriously have we lost our senses. In 1995 my friend from India warned me about Islam and I thought he was nuts thinking US would tolerate such intolerance. Now I am the nutter.

originally posted by: paxnatus
You HAVE TO SEE THE PDF the original article links to!! It will take a while to read and digest but it truly ANSWERS so many
questions! IT's all about the MONEY!! Is an understatement!!

Could it be that the Saudi's are "THE POWERS THAT BE" OR "THE SHADOW GOVERNMENT"

Maybe we are in the Middle East in a true fight FOR OUR FREEDOM! Not so much about the oil or toppling corrupt governments but more to hold onto America's democracy and our rights to freedom of choice!! Could that be what the war on terrorism is really all about?

They seem to be behind so much!! And the Clinton's joined in in the 1980's with Bill and the Bosnian War!

Talk about a smoking gun!

The New World Order Cabal (at the core -- West European Banksters & their aristocratic supporters) are using the Far Left and Islam to create chaos in the world. The Far Left & Islam are allies throughout the world.

The Far Left can be counted on to gut the economy of a nation. They will destroy the middle classes and the human rights & freedom that go with a large, prosperous middle class. Both the Far Left and Islam are great at terrorizing the masses & mass murder.

When Hillary wins in November, we will see just how bad things get in the US. Obama's 8 years were just the beginning of the "fundamental change" in the US that Obama promised. What Obama did NOT make clear to his blind supporters is that the "change" is to destroy the US as a free & sovereign nation.

Hey there, this might be of interest: