The Genesis Paradox

a reply to: KingPhilipsiX

Now commanding me to relax? What if I told you I already was the entire time...

Ok fine, I see youre just trying to make a point on a conceptual topic as if it is any more real than any other topic... so be it.

The only reason I just pointed at control mind you... is you telling me to do something like it wasnt already occuring like you have any control over someone or something other than oneself and that may even be of question... no different than some God mentioned in the OP not having any trying to wrestle some using control... over something it never could, pretty hillarious if you ask me... so hey thinking you have control over others and projecting emotions not others emotions too? I'll just went ahead and gave you permission to keep making whatever point.

See how that feels? Its simply what youre doing... not nice eh? Neither are these control issues others have in the name of this make believe stuff either over others that are not interested in that make believe.

I sincerely urge you not to assume again... just because it shows troll yer buttons, and Im pointing at how all this nonsense works.

First God created Adam from Himself (the word is not dust, its Joseph the Blessing), then God Ate of the "Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil", in order to create Eve from Adam's Rib.....................Then God allowed the Garden Snake/Molech, to tell Adam and Eve, that he would not kill immediately, if they also ate of, "The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil" (This is a reference to Sin, teachings and practices that are counter productive with the Gospel's Message ... at this time, Adam and Eve is only a Parable, Mankind did not physically exist).
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The Garden Snake/Molech, does not leave the "Spiritual Temple/Church of Jesus in Heaven", God does not displace the Garden Snake/Molech, like Adam and Eve. The Holy Spirit does not commit sin..............because of this fact, God allows the Holy Spirit to eat of the "Tree of Life" for the 5 months of Noah's Flood, God creates Male and Female of each kind of the "Garden Snake/Body of Molech".
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From Adam to Abraham, Abraham marks the homosapien, by this time God has simply popped whole peoples into creation, as he has indicated with Adam and Eve: "I will cloth them, and send them into their places"
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From Abraham to "Abaddon and Apollyon", God created Adam as a kind of "Messiah", and he was charged to rule over creation, Adam was never allowed to eat of the "Tree of Life". From that time, the "Generations of Sin/Generations of Genetic Dan/or Races and People that only seek suicide", these people resulted as a the collective sin of mankind, and their divisions fall into neat categories, (Four Horses of Revelations/Solomon Stalls Contradiction of 4,000 or 40,000), further it is all human life that does not receive, "Star Wormwood/Tree of Life", that are killed, when Jesus refuses to redeem all of mankind at the events of the end of time (The Dead in Christ are killed, but the Alive in Christ are redeemed).
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1. Mankind is not the Messiah the Christ
2. God has only redeemed the "Sons of Man", with Star Wormwood/Tree of Life, outside of Jesus
3. God has to redeem mankind, even if a very small portion, with Star Wormwood/Tree of Life, but the very first thing God will do is kill the "Generations of Sin", we cannot, God cannot allow those people to live/Pet People/ or Animal People, they behave like Pets, however it is only the result of sin, nothing more, nothing special, they are not apart of the Garden Snake/Molech (The Holy Spirit is not capable of sin).
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God does not allow the "Generation of Sin" to "Confirm the Covenant of Daniel, Killing the Four Beasts/Peoples and all those convicted of them", God also does not allow Mankind to ""Confirm the Covenant of Daniel, Killing the Four Beasts/Peoples and all those convicted of them", of their own prerogative.............Unless God reveals a "Sign of Divorce/Antipas/Antiparticle", then no form of repentance, and no Blood Sacrifices of Genetic Dan, will mean anything for the God's expansion of the limited geographic area the Book of Revelation indicates that will see the 5 Months of Star Wormwood (City of Philadelphia, USA, paid for by the Key of David only, and no more).

a reply to: jigglypuff

People really love make believe they really do... but conviencing them its real is kinda a low blow.

Sure such powers exist and people can attain them, it is part of human potiential... deluding people that its something else is the issue... it says you cant attain such things. Problem is there are some that have and abuse such things on those ignorant and unaware of being able to attain those powers as well.

Of course there is control to access the potiential danger of such people... as many people that get even a little power over even an animal or child turns it into abuse of power instead of taking even more responsibility that such a thing requires.

Remember that talk Uncle Ben had with Peter Parker... with great power comes great responsibility? No different.

Of course thats stagnation on the path to freedom getting stuck in those nonsense powers trying to play god and control... no different than someone playing a video game character doesnt matter... well that character dies doesnt mean these that have attained such a level wont be controlled by the very action theyve also created called karma which means they will also die too.

Its simply part of the path, and if you want to be free it all must be lain down and every single living seintient being rasied up in equality.

Its a sickness to keep people in ignorance biting rotten long dead fruit, just to keep a system alive for greed hate and the delusional ignorance to keep others in for that greed and hate.

Become one with matter and energy without any concept of matter and energy and ones body transforms into exactly what it always was and no different than the very universe itself as it already was without the delusional veil of make believe to control. Why do they continue to do this? Attachment to material form whether theirs or not... and greed for desires of various types.

Drop all of that programming and thats where rapture actually happens... it is something you wait for that thing one waits for is the mind emptying on the cushion of all that concept in that meditation I mentioned earlier... also in all the other books.

Once being unmade, unborn, and unconditioned what condition could one possibly suffer from... other than seeing beings not yet free still attached in sheer empathy... knowing we could make one single decision to start making it better like ol grinch in a single instant.

Nothing changes nothing transforms but you... entirely yet people still not free still attach being bound by ignorance of that false programming and it hurts to see it day in and day out... thats why I joke and make fun so often to lighten that load, drop those burdens and be happy belief can be anything... if people must control something then why not play make beleive for better than fight and scrap over other make believe killing eachother of absolutely nothing?

Im not the only one that has realized such things and escaped this nonsense of belief. I know it can be a tower of strength when you cant find any... but hey so can real people too that actually exist and will hold out a hand you can touch, open arms to embrace and not just in places that say the price is in that plate for this family? People just give it away... dont have to pay a single dime, just take the time... listen and be there for someone and theyll be there for you and well keep going be there for as many people as you can without bias and theyll lift you up... thats real thats community that world and called humanity... not belief in something unseeen you have to pay to be a part of... pay enough just being alive as it is even if money isnt involved with all the suffering in the world.

Put stock in other people and theyll put stock in you, draw lines of war? and war is what you get... stop drawing those lines personal and public and world peace will happen, thats a given.

a reply to: dawnstar

Are you familiar with Lilith, Adams first wife?

Or the tree of Life in Kabbalah? I am not a Kabbalist I just like certain books.

originally posted by: BigBrotherDarkness
a reply to: jigglypuff

People really love make believe they really do... but conviencing them its real is kinda a low blow.
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Its a sickness to keep people in ignorance biting rotten long dead fruit, just to keep a system alive for greed hate and the delusional ignorance to keep others in for that greed and hate.

God saved 70 Angels from Luke 3:23, from the Beginning of God's Activities for this Gospel's Program, to the Completion of it, no more angels, nothing else.........................How many people were saved before Jesus came as the Head of Joseph (Joseph the Blessing was his father), no more and no less than 70 Souls (Seven for the 144,000 of Reuben before Earth ... and Seventy for the 144,000 of Benjamin in Old Testament) (just 70 total, God counted himself twice as apart of the same figure).

God will save 600,000 Souls when He Kills the "Two Witnesses". Towards the 144,000 of Joseph. ......................... No more, right now, no souls are marked for Joseph, the Antichrist or the Sons of Man from Joseph, since the New Testament, have already received their Blessing and the figure does not apply to them. ........................... Not just this generation, but all the generations since Jesus came as the Head of Joseph to begin the New Testament Era.

When the 5 Months of Star Wormwood begins, God will allow and judge just the souls in the limited geographic area to receive, "Joseph the Blessings" only, most likely with migration oriented goals.
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Right now, 70 Souls for 144,000 of Reuben and 144,000 of Benjamin and ZERO for the 144,000 of Joseph are saved, God has not completed the measurement. To give you a legally binding idea of what's been taking place, and what will be done shortly. (God doubles the 600,000 of Moses as the 666/600,000 of Revelation, then God will add to the people, like God added to the people around the Jordan River ... God gave Moses 2 sets of 10 Commandments, then God gave Joshua 10 Commandments relative to the Jordan River ... God will follow this pattern, no more, no less).

originally posted by: Seede
a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

Or, how bout this "said god" would rather have sacrificed baby lambs, than a grain offering. Why is blood sacrifice SOOOO important to YHWH??? Huh? How can Anyone think that that requirement is somehow RIGHTEOUS and ETHICAL.

I don't remember God requiring a blood sacrifice from Able. Re read that and tell me what you find. I think that particular episode was simply an offering but not consummated with killing.

But what really is telling, is that the message Jesus actually taught, is so lost from Paul's BS, it's ridiculous.

What is BS that Paul preached? Would you give a prime example? Just one great big prime example and not a hate rant.

Tell ya what, go to "Jesus Words Only" and you will find plenty. I'm too tired right now to get into a bible quoting war with anyone. I could, but it's late, I'm tired, and have too much on my plate.
Thing is, even when you realize that Paul was a shyster/liar (only liars need to constantly say, "I'm not lying!!". Good grief, it amazes me how duped most Christians are (and I'm assuming you are one). I'm sorry for the rant and anger, well, not really, but it's a tad bit disconcerting to realize everything you based your life/love on, is BS. About the only one worth salvaging in the "Holy, Inerrant Word of God" (ha) is Jesus, and even his words were tweaked. He was probably an Essene or Nazorean. A totally different sect of Jews than the Sadducee's and Pharasee's. Do some research into them. They were vegetarians. Jesus going postal on the "money changers" had nothing to do with money. It was the whole corrupt priestly temple practice of sacrificing animals for money. He was so angry he made a whip and drove the money changers AND the animals out. Gotta love him for that one. He also quoted from Jeremiah, "if you had know what this means...that I desire mercy and NOT sacrifice, you would have not condemned the innocent". Ummmmm....the innocents were the animals.
Ok, so lets get to Paul. First off, he put himself way above the apostles who actually spent 3 1/2 years with Jesus, learning from him. Paul never met Jesus. On top of that, the three stories he told of his "blinding light experience" were all different. Go look it up. He was a Pharisee. Oh gee, who did Jesus warn us about (ummm...leaven comes to mind).
Paul was a jerk. He touted all this "faith, hope, love" stuff...and then would turn around and say, "curse those who didn't follow HIS gospel". Oh, wait a sec....HIS GOSPEL? Can you see Jesus cursing anyone.
Oh, and while I'm at it, Jesus broke just about every law that YHWH gave out. EVERY single person he helped, would have been considered "unclean" by the priests running the temple. He broke the Sabbath, too. Wow. So, how do Christians get around that little uncomfortable fact?? Well, they usually let their preacher tell them what to think. OR...if they actually dig on their own (and do mental apologetics to rectify it all), they say, "oh! he was actually God in the flesh..so he can change the rules...never minding that in Deuteronomy, it says the ANY prophet that teaches someone to go AGAINST the things YHWH commanded, shall be put to death.
Hmmmm.....wonder why those feisty priests wanted Jesus dead so bad????
Oh, and on the Lamb/Able subject. Every Christian I know (including myself at one time), thought that YHWH wanted BLOOD to appease the whole Adam/Eve fiasco. The bible is dripping with animal sacrifice. If that's the god you want to worship...more power to ya, bro. In my book, he's an arse. And that's being nice.

originally posted by: jigglypuff

originally posted by: BigBrotherDarkness
a reply to: jigglypuff

People really love make believe they really do... but conviencing them its real is kinda a low blow.
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Its a sickness to keep people in ignorance biting rotten long dead fruit, just to keep a system alive for greed hate and the delusional ignorance to keep others in for that greed and hate.

God saved 70 Angels from Luke 3:23, from the Beginning of God's Activities for this Gospel's Program, to the Completion of it, no more angels, nothing else.........................How many people were saved before Jesus came as the Head of Joseph (Joseph the Blessing was his father), no more and no less than 70 Souls (Seven for the 144,000 of Reuben before Earth ... and Seventy for the 144,000 of Benjamin in Old Testament) (just 70 total, God counted himself twice as apart of the same figure).

God will save 600,000 Souls when He Kills the "Two Witnesses". Towards the 144,000 of Joseph. ......................... No more, right now, no souls are marked for Joseph, the Antichrist or the Sons of Man from Joseph, since the New Testament, have already received their Blessing and the figure does not apply to them. ........................... Not just this generation, but all the generations since Jesus came as the Head of Joseph to begin the New Testament Era.

When the 5 Months of Star Wormwood begins, God will allow and judge just the souls in the limited geographic area to receive, "Joseph the Blessings" only, most likely with migration oriented goals.
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Right now, 70 Souls for 144,000 of Reuben and 144,000 of Benjamin and ZERO for the 144,000 of Joseph are saved, God has not completed the measurement. To give you a legally binding idea of what's been taking place, and what will be done shortly. (God doubles the 600,000 of Moses as the 666/600,000 of Revelation, then God will add to the people, like God added to the people around the Jordan River ... God gave Moses 2 sets of 10 Commandments, then God gave Joshua 10 Commandments relative to the Jordan River ... God will follow this pattern, no more, no less).





Good luck with all that. I honestly feel sorry for you. I used to count the numbers, too. The "god" you follow, is really good with numbers...and not a good god.

Hey, 7 was always my favorite number. I have 3 sevens in my birthday. OH!!! I thought I was soooo special. "3" AND "7".

I was PERFECT COMPLETION. But....for who? A god who wants to wipe out billions of people on the planet??? A god who wants to see women's wombs cut open and their unborn children killed. Or, how about the infants he wants/sees (TELLS us will happen) that will have their heads smashed on rocks. Oh yea, such a loving god. You keep doing your math dude. One day, maybe you'll pull your head out of the bible and Hermeneutics, and start really going out and loving people. Gay people, poor people, "unsaved people"...and even animals (which would mean you wouldn't eat them). Then, after all that, tell me how ready you are to see "god" wipe out all the unbelievers who violate his law. Oh, and try doing it without trying to convert them by telling them they are going to hell if they don't BELIEVE

Or, how bout this "said god" would rather have sacrificed baby lambs, than a grain offering. Why is blood sacrifice SOOOO important to YHWH??? Huh? How can Anyone think that that requirement is somehow RIGHTEOUS and ETHICAL.
I don't remember God requiring a blood sacrifice from Able. Re read that and tell me what you find.
I think that particular episode was simply an offering but not consummated with killing. But what really is telling, is that the message Jesus actually taught, is so lost from Paul's BS, it's ridiculous.
What is BS that Paul preached? Would you give a prime example? Just one great big prime example and not a hate rant

Abel was so holy and so righteous, that God was not going to cut him off spiritually for the next level of the program. So God was going to kill Abel anyway, most likely, but God challenged the sin of Cain by allowing, Cain to be convicted of performing a work (before that happened God spoke to Cain):

REVELATION 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, [and] the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
REVELATION 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Seven Kings or 144,000 of Reuben are attributed to the God Head (Enoch the 7th walked with God) ... the Eighth King is attributed to Joseph the Blessing (of which Jesus is appointed King, Jesse's Eighth Son is not Identified - David was the Seventh)

4 Kings = (Genetic Dan) Contradiction of Solomon Stalls
5th King = Star Wormwood for 5 Months (Caused the Great Fall in Genesis and Revelations)
6th King = Jesus or 666, the Head of Joseph, Joseph was attributed to the 600,000 of Egypt, (Joseph Reign for 430 Years).
7th King = "Two Witnesses" to confirm the Covenant (Micah 5:5)
8th King = Contradiction of Jehoiachin 's Reign 8 or 18 (God continues to use the "Two Witnesses", but only as a picture of Salvation for 150 days of Star Wormwood)

Jesus is God that is a contradiction ........ and the "Two Mites" of the New Testament, are the same as the "Rod of Iron, Manchild or Moses Staff the Rod of Joseph in the Old Testament" ....................... Each of the Kings are very specifically contradictions......................God used the Blood Sacrifice of Abel as a point of discernment, but first God spoke to Cain. If God does not give us a Sign of Divorce/Antipas/Antiparticle, then this is not valid for the events of revelation, which don't have to happen at all. God kills the "Two Witnesses" and then 150 Days of Star Wormwood, nothing else has to happen. (Genetic Dan, is living that is a contradiction). (God does not use Jesus as the "Express Image" or Antichrist to complete the demonstrations of his mercy, the Antichrist does not act on his own = Jesus and the "Two Witnesses", technically that is the viable expression of the equation).

Abel was so holy and so righteous, that God was not going to cut him off spiritually for the next level of the program. So God was going to kill Abel anyway, most likely, but God challenged the sin of Cain by allowing, Cain to be convicted of performing a work (before that happened God spoke to Cain):

REVELATION 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, [and] the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
REVELATION 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Seven Kings or 144,000 of Reuben are attributed to the God Head (Enoch the 7th walked with God) ... the Eighth King is attributed to Joseph the Blessing (of which Jesus is appointed King, Jesse's Eighth Son is not Identified - David was the Seventh)

4 Kings = (Genetic Dan) Contradiction of Solomon Stalls
5th King = Star Wormwood for 5 Months (Caused the Great Fall in Genesis and Revelations)
6th King = Jesus or 666, the Head of Joseph, Joseph was attributed to the 600,000 of Egypt, (Joseph Reign for 430 Years).
7th King = "Two Witnesses" to confirm the Covenant (Micah 5:5)
8th King = Contradiction of Jehoiachin 's Reign 8 or 18 (God continues to use the "Two Witnesses", but only as a picture of Salvation for 150 days of Star Wormwood)

Jesus is God that is a contradiction ........ and the "Two Mites" of the New Testament, are the same as the "Rod of Iron, Manchild or Moses Staff the Rod of Joseph in the Old Testament" ....................... Each of the Kings are very specifically contradictions......................God used the Blood Sacrifice of Abel as a point of discernment, but first God spoke to Cain. If God does not give us a Sign of Divorce/Antipas/Antiparticle, then this is not valid for the events of revelation, which don't have to happen at all. God kills the "Two Witnesses" and then 150 Days of Star Wormwood, nothing else has to happen. (Genetic Dan, is living that is a contradiction). (God does not use Jesus as the "Express Image" or Antichrist to complete the demonstrations of his mercy, the Antichrist does not act on his own = Jesus and the "Two Witnesses", technically that is the viable expression of the equation).

edit on 20-6-2016 by jigglypuff because: (no reason given)



Wow....that's some serious deduction. Um, one question? How many people did you love on today? How many people did you love as yourself? Do you think all the above jibber jabber is going to make one soul on this planet feel loved? Nope.
I used to be just like you. Now, I wasn't coming up with the same stuff you wrote above. But yea, I was just like that, thinking that with all my bible knowledge, I was better than everyone else. It was so easy to go outside my front door and think, "oh, all these poor people...they don't know what's coming to them".
It's that whole system of dualities/polarities...us/against them (because, hey! god's on my side) thinking.
It's all twisted and sick. I read the constant arguing and debating on this site, and many others, pertaining to scripture/god/whatever. No one ever takes a step back and say's, "hey, how is any of this helping anyone?"
We are all pawns in a big freaking chess game, and something is thriving on it. From religion (which includes Christianity), to politics, to the media, to you name it. We are pawns. The strife, division, hatred, killing, is all due to something manipulating us. That would include the "god of the bible".
But, if that's what gives you significance. Then, who am I to argue? Ok, so I argue. I just hate BS.

a reply to: KingPhilipsiX

I'm not really that familiar with the Kabbalah really, tried to get into it a couple of times. I know some about Lilith though. Adam's first wife, mother of monsters, and all that... supposedly, depending on what stories you wish to entertain.
why?

originally posted by: MatrixsurvivorWow....that's some serious deduction. Um, one question? How many people did you love on today? How many people did you love as yourself? Do you think all the above jibber jabber is going to make one soul on this planet feel loved? Nope.
I used to be just like you. Now, I wasn't coming up with the same stuff you wrote above. But yea, I was just like that, thinking that with all my bible knowledge, I was better than everyone else. It was so easy to go outside my front door and think, "oh, all these poor people...they don't know what's coming to them".
It's that whole system of dualities/polarities...us/against them (because, hey! god's on my side) thinking.
It's all twisted and sick. I read the constant arguing and debating on this site, and many others, pertaining to scripture/god/whatever. No one ever takes a step back and say's, "hey, how is any of this helping anyone?"
We are all pawns in a big freaking chess game, and something is thriving on it. From religion (which includes Christianity), to politics, to the media, to you name it. We are pawns. The strife, division, hatred, killing, is all due to something manipulating us. That would include the "god of the bible".
But, if that's what gives you significance. Then, who am I to argue? Ok, so I argue. I just hate BS.

God does not take away salvation once it is given. Mankind has not been given any salvation of the 144,000 of Joseph ... so there is no law that requires the Earth to barewitness of Joseph. God has made decisions about his mercy in the past, but they did not reflect a standard, that only reflected God's Legal right to make intercession, but there is no legal right of enforcement for God's intercession, in the gospel's law................Mankind was never given a legal right of divorce, this was only illustrated as the fulfillment the law requires at the end of time to some degree, however limited. God keeps dragging around the name of Moses, in the New Testament, and in Revelations to indicate this fact of the law........................Mankind has not been given the Tree of Life/Star Wormwood at any point in time, at all, before the completion of the Gospel's Program, that is the most important fact you must understand when viewing the severe limitations of mankind, God has been enforcing to protect the prospect of the potential those receiving the 144,000 of Joseph ... at the very end of time.

God does not take away salvation once it is given. Mankind has not been given any salvation of the 144,000 of Joseph ... so there is no law that requires the Earth to barewitness of Joseph. God has made decisions about his mercy in the past, but they did not reflect a standard, that only reflected God's Legal right to make intercession, but there is no legal right of enforcement for God's intercession, in the gospel's law................Mankind was never given a legal right of divorce, this was only illustrated as the fulfillment the law requires at the end of time to some degree, however limited. God keeps dragging around the name of Moses, in the New Testament, and in Revelations to indicate this fact of the law........................Mankind has not been given the Tree of Life/Star Wormwood at any point in time, at all, before the completion of the Gospel's Program, that is the most important fact you must understand when viewing the severe limitations of mankind, God has been enforcing to protect the prospect of the potential those receiving the 144,000 of Joseph ... at the very end of time.


Holy Moly....I have no words. You don't even go where most Christians go, lol. And I'm pretty good at all the apologetic linguistics most believers toss out. But you sir, are a rarity. Actually, I have no idea what you are going on about. But hey,to each his own.

a reply to: jigglypuff

I can respect your belief and I can respect these numbers wherever they came from... but one can achieve that freedom outside of any belief at any given time.

Theres a sect of Buddhism that is called pure land no real difference in belief of prayer in order to achive a better live after death...

But sticking to one system when its all of the systems... is the issue, perhaps my admonishment is too strong saying one can be free from the entire cycle itself without any belief required, what once doesnt see is we are reborn countless times in one life from one moment to the next by peoples power of thought and memory... the very thing to be free not only as such a being as thats what biinds such beings but free ones own self.

I can see the value in speaking belief Ive seen its strength many times and Ive seen it as an excuse many times to be weak. Thats why I speak of freedom.

originally posted by: BigBrotherDarkness
a reply to: jigglypuffI can see the value in speaking belief Ive seen its strength many times and Ive seen it as an excuse many times to be weak. Thats why I speak of freedom.

REVELATION 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

Jesus was Crowned, the God Head can be called Seven Crowns. We know what the Seven Heads are, contradictions God uses for reproofs in the Gospel's Law ..................... What about the 10 horns? 10 Commandments, Tithing we are told to give about 10th, the Earth's Moon is also about 10 Days deviation from our Earth's Year Cycle, so we are very close.

We act out our "Freewill", that is about 10% of the Gospel's Law. That in itself is not enough to guaranteed salvation or a pleasing place with Jesus of anykind. Even if we are not guilty of sin, and we try to be very faithful, this ultimately means very little to God. ........................... God allowed Moses to tell the people, that if you pick up "Sticks", on the sabbath day, you will surely die. We cannot assume anything, unless we are told or it is clearly demonstrated to us...........................God has not demonstrated a sign of divorce to us or revealed anything to us that would qualify as the period for the Events of Revelation, to these ends we must keep watch and be faithful. (God has a very clear picture of why someone gets something or nothing, God does not support cruelty, so God has turncoated certain truths).

a reply to: dawnstar

Just curious. It's a good myth if you have the Jewish version. She is the mother of Azazel but he is more of a demigod than a monster.

Samael is her consort, the angel of death. She has a good reason for ditching Adam he tried making her submissive and she said hell no.

a reply to: birdxofxprey

To summarize, it seems obvious that before eating the fruit, either Eve didn’t know it would be wrong to do so or she knew that it would be wrong to do so. In light of this, God’s command not to eat from the tree has only two possible meanings: (1) God expected Eve to refrain from doing evil without knowing anything about what evil is. or (2) God expected Eve to refrain from acquiring knowledge that she already possessed. Since neither of these expectations can actually be fulfilled, God’s command cannot be obeyed. Ought implies can. Since this command cannot be obeyed, its expression of obligation is empty, meaningless and unintelligible. Eve was set up, tricked, not by the serpent, but by God.

First off - Eve completely knew and understood that partaking of the fruit was wrong. This is evident by the fact that she even corrected Satan by saying:

[Gen 3:2-3 RSV] 2 And the woman said to the serpent, "We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden; 3 but God said, 'You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.'"

But because of her selfish "desire", she disobeyed the command.:

[Gen 3:6 RSV] 6 So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate; and she also gave some to her husband, and he ate."

Thus the fault lie at the feet of Eve and eventually at Adam's.

They were responsible for what they did. Not God.

Furthermore, the command given to them was a simple test of obedience and loyalty, and they miserably failed at it after everything was provided to them.

So your premise that the

command cannot be obeyed, its expression of obligation is empty, meaningless and unintelligible. Eve was set up, tricked, not by the serpent, but by God

is way off based.

If God is omniscient and omnipotent, why did he create Adam and Eve in the first place, knowing they would disobey him when tempted with the opportunity? It wouldn't serve as a convenient method for people like you to excuse evil permitted by God (because evil HAD to originate from God) and be in the position to praise God for everything good in the world and man for everything bad? Tell me that isn't why?

If God did not place the tree of life in the garden, would they have disobeyed him?

a reply to: birdxofxprey

you're ignoring totally the talking snake, or is that a little too much?

a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

Well you don't have to sarcastically tell me this, I'm not exactly known for my friendly opinions towards Christianity and its beliefs on these boards.

a reply to: jigglypuff

Jiggly. you are confusing Old testament law for how modern christians are to act. The OT law is not for us under the new covenant Jesus created when he sacrificed himself. And no the new covenant didnt destroy the old law it just changed it to history for christians.

Originally it was meant for the hebrews/jews to follow. it even states it in there.