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They had a false understanding of the Messiah. Jews in Christ's day believed there would be two Messiahs.
The ruling King (Moshiyach Ben David) and the Suffering Servant (Moshiyach Ben Joseph). They never perceived it was the same Messiah coming twice.
The first time to save them from iniquity and the second time to rule from David's throne.
The Messiah was to be both someone who died on our behalf and a Redeemer who would be victorious and rule forever over the Messianic Kingdom
originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: NOTurTypical
Except IF that person dies before he accomplished what he was meant to do... he is NOT their messiah...
This is the jewish concept of Messiah...
He does not return to accomplish his set tasks... it will be done in his lifetime
their ideas are far different then the Christian concept
Read Psalm 22, that was written first person as Jesus hung on the cross,
The entire OT from Genesis to Malachi have direct applications to Jesus Christ. The entire book points to Him
That's what He was chastising the Pharisees for, they thought the OT contained the knowledge sufficient for them to have eternal life, Jesus pointed out the entire scripture pointed to Him and they wouldn't come to Him for that eternal life.
So the Universal Creator is exploiting the El Shaddai concept and other concepts as a way of introducing himself and building up a relationship.
I don't regard it as a sudden transformation but as a long and gradual process.
I see the Biblical God as a patient teacher, willing to take time to transform what he finds (a tendency to focus on local spiritual powers) into what he wants (an acknowledgement of himself as the Creator).
2 And Jacob noticed that Laban’s attitude toward him was not what it had been.
3 Then the Lord said to Jacob, “Go back to the land of your fathers and to your relatives, and I will be with you.”
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14 Then Rachel and Leah replied, “Do we still have any share in the inheritance of our father’s estate? 15 Does he not regard us as foreigners? Not only has he sold us, but he has used up what was paid for us. 16 Surely all the wealth that God took away from our father belongs to us and our children. So do whatever God has told you.”
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17 Then Jacob put his children and his wives on camels, 18 and he drove all his livestock ahead of him, along with all the goods he had accumulated in Paddan Aram, to go to his father Isaac in the land of Canaan.
19 When Laban had gone to shear his sheep, Rachel stole her father’s household gods.
According to Islamic tradition, over the millennia after Ishmael's death, his progeny and the local tribes who settled around the oasis of Zam-Zam gradually turned to polytheism and idolatry. Several idols were placed within the Kaaba representing deities of different aspects of nature and different tribes.
wikipedia-Kaaba-Traditional_views_on_origin
Genesis 35 Then God said to Jacob, “Go up to Bethel and settle there, and build an altar there to God, who appeared to you when you were fleeing from your brother Esau.”
2 So Jacob said to his household and to all who were with him, “Get rid of the foreign gods you have with you, and purify yourselves and change your clothes. 3 Then come, let us go up to Bethel, where I will build an altar to God, who answered me in the day of my distress and who has been with me wherever I have gone.” 4 So they gave Jacob all the foreign gods they had and the rings in their ears, and Jacob buried them under the oak at Shechem.
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9 After Jacob returned from Paddan Aram, God appeared to him again and blessed him. 10 God said to him, “Your name is Jacob, but you will no longer be called Jacob; your name will be Israel.[e]” So he named him Israel.
11 And God said to him, “I am (El-Shaddai)";
originally posted by: pthena
This sounds kind of like a parasitic maneuver. Seems neither wise nor desirable.
originally posted by: NOTurTypical
a reply to: Akragon
It wasn't only Luke, and it wasn't only after his resurrection. What about John 5:39?
Example, Moses putting a brass snake up on a pole so that anyone who had been bitten by a snake who just looked at it was healed and wouldn't die. Picture of Christ on the cross saving anyone who looked to Him.
originally posted by: windword
a reply to: NOTurTypical
Example, Moses putting a brass snake up on a pole so that anyone who had been bitten by a snake who just looked at it was healed and wouldn't die. Picture of Christ on the cross saving anyone who looked to Him.
So "Christ" WAS the serpent in the Garden and when he said "You surely will not die" he wasn't lying!
So "Christ" WAS the serpent in the Garden and when he said "You surely will not die" he wasn't lying!
The term eternal life is a central theme found in the Gospel of John. The very purpose of John's gospel was that "you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name" (Jn 20:31; cf. 1 Jn 5:13), "life" being synonymous with "eternal life". Jesus says that, "this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent" (John 17:3).
John 11:24 Martha said to Him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection on the last day.” 25Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies, 26and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die.
A snake is a Levitical symbol for sin
Moreover, because the Egyptian culture deified certain animals (see, for example, Rashi on Genesis 46:34), the symbol of the tanin, the first creature God created, effectively conveys God’s complete mastery over the world. Note that Aaron’s tanin, which might be called a “tanin of belief” devours the Egyptians’ “taninim of disbelief,” thus asserting the validity of the message that Moses and Aaron represent.
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At first glance, however, it seems strange to resort to this symbol, because the nachash was blamed for causing the sin of Adam and Eve, and thus it created distance between man and God. Why, then, would Moses evoke this symbol?
Perhaps the answer is that, whereas the Torah does not detail how Aaron converted the tanin back into a staff, it explicitly states that God commanded Moses to grab the nachash by its tail, and then it would turn back into a staff (Exodus 4:4). Thus, Moses demonstrates mastery over the very creature that once brought distance between man and God. Moses’ message is that it is time for the Jews to re-enter into an intimate relationship with God.
6Then the LORD said to Cain, "Why are you angry? And why has your countenance fallen? 7"If you do well, will not your countenance be lifted up? And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door; and its desire is for you, but you must master it.