Oh, The Orlando Killer Didn't Use An AR-15 Rifle

I am extremely pro 2nd, but this is just splitting hairs.

It, for all intents and purposes, is an AR variant.

a reply to: jimmyx

It's a slippery slope.
Every time there is a shooting, there will be another category of guns to ban, until there are none.
None for law abiding citizens, that is.
Criminals will still have them.

a reply to: GuidedKill

Damn, the last shooting...



That was exactly my point.

a reply to: RAY1990

What use does a gun holding more than 5 rounds and being semi-automatic have other than a weapon of war and a fun time?

First of all , get it right. A gun is for "fun" (If you were ever in the military you know what I mean). A rifle , pistol , weapon , are some of the correct terms. To be described by Fox as a "long gun" has a way entirely different meaning than what they think it does.

As far as uses: Hunting , hobby ,and 2 of the major :
Self defense
And to help guard against a Tyrannical Government
The latter , I fear , is exactly what this "gun control" ( and I control my gun everytime I go to the men's room) bullcrap is about. (and , possibly , the reason behind these tragedies.)

a reply to: RAY1990

An AR platform in .22lr so you can attach a light and / or laser would be ideal for a rat problem (depending how big they are).

Believe me, after checking our hog trap and having 8 hogs run up on us from the side we were glad to have more than 5 rounds in the magazine. Also - for the huge hogs the AR platform is great for mounting night vision scope with IR flashlight so you can take down the huge hogs or coyotes at night.

originally posted by: Soloprotocol
Why are people getting hung up on the Model.? From a few yards away most people couldn't tell what make it is. myself included. I have no interest in Guns.

The bottom line is be it a AR15 or a Sig Sauer MCX carbine, they both are capable of killing large amounts of people in a short space of time.

Take being clubbed to death with a guitar for instance, Doesn't matter if it's a Gibson Les Paul of a Fender Precision bass, both entirely different instruments, but you're still dead.

The Les Paul is much heavier. I'd prefer a good beating with a fender any day.

originally posted by: roadgravel

originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: xuenchen
Thats where Congress and the MSM (and the left) show their blatant extreme stupidity on firearms. AR-15 ? Which of the 30+ AR-15s were they speaking about anywhooo
AR = Assault Rifle - general term
15 - class of above

The "AR" in all ArmaLite pattern firearms simply stands for "ArmaLite Rifle"

en.wikipedia.org...

I love folks that try to take one line of a wiki to debate. Read your own wiki more thoroughly before you respond again

originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: xuenchen
Thats where Congress and the MSM (and the left) show their blatant extreme stupidity on firearms. AR-15 ? Which of the 30+ AR-15s were they speaking about anywhooo
AR = Assault Rifle - general term
15 - class of above

not to be "that guy" but I'm going to be "that guy".

AR stands for ArmaLite, which is the company that firs made the AR-15.
www.urbandictionary.com...

An AR-15 is no more an "assault rifle" than a ruger 10-22, a marlin model 60 .22lr, or a glock pistol with an extended magazine.

a reply to: Gothmog

First of all , get it right. A gun is for "fun" (If you were ever in the military you know what I mean). A rifle , pistol , weapon , are some of the correct terms. To be described by Fox as a "long gun" has a way entirely different meaning than what they think it does.

Never in the military but I have experienced a little shooting and some "hardcore" shooting I can imagine I would enjoy. Haha is that how they talk to the plebs? Probably means they want the muskets after the AR-15's
Long gun - Long range? I can imagine howitzers though that's a guess.

As far as uses: Hunting , hobby ,and 2 of the major :
Self defense
And to help guard against a Tyrannical Government
The latter , I fear , is exactly what this "gun control" ( and I control my gun everytime I go to the men's room) bullcrap is about. (and , possibly , the reason behind these tragedies.)

Well at the end of the day it IS legal to defend yourself in the USA and when you feel your life is at threat a little conundrum of "excessive force" does not exist. Ultimately it's a question of what the US citizen can own, where they can operate it and who exactly can enjoy this privilege.

Don't ever let them piss on you're constitution, it truly is the greatest American thing on this planet.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: xuenchen
Thats where Congress and the MSM (and the left) show their blatant extreme stupidity on firearms. AR-15 ? Which of the 30+ AR-15s were they speaking about anywhooo
AR = Assault Rifle - general term
15 - class of above

not to be "that guy" but I'm going to be "that guy".

AR stands for ArmaLite, which is the company that firs made the AR-15.
www.urbandictionary.com...

An AR-15 is no more an "assault rifle" than a ruger 10-22, a marlin model 60 .22lr, or a glock pistol with an extended magazine.

This is 1000% correct...Just like the AK-47....AK stands for Avtomat Kalashnikova. After Mikhail Kalashnikov the inventor of the rifle....

AR= Assault Rifle.....LMFAO!!!! these people

originally posted by: SonOfThor
a reply to: RAY1990

An AR platform in .22lr so you can attach a light and / or laser would be ideal for a rat problem (depending how big they are).

Believe me, after checking our hog trap and having 8 hogs run up on us from the side we were glad to have more than 5 rounds in the magazine. Also - for the huge hogs the AR platform is great for mounting night vision scope with IR flashlight so you can take down the huge hogs or coyotes at night.

I cannot argue with that reasoning, I can imagine some couldn't have enough bullets in a gun in that situation... Bet that makes a good story at beer time

a reply to: Gothmog

sang it many times,

a reply to: network dude

actually from the get go the AR 15 was design to be a military weapon. it was based on the AR 10 which just barley lost to the M 14. it beat the FNFAL.

the AR 10 was produced for several years in Hollywood and is called the "Hollywood" model AR-10 and then it was licensed to a dutch company who redesigned some parts and sold them to several countries.

believe it or not the USAF actually used the AR15 designed by Eugene Stoner, and soon there after the rest of the US military followed using the designation M 16 that colt gave it after they got the rights to the rifle.

there also was a better design that came out called the AR18 but the use of the M 16 world wide killed that design.

do a search on the Aemalite story. you see a whole lot about the design including the AR 5 and 7

What I find annoying is how they keep calling Ar's "hi powered" when the .223/5.56 they fire is one of the smallest rifle calibers there is, used as a varmint round.


iTruthSeeker

originally posted by: schuyler

originally posted by: stormcell

It's purely mechanical if it can fire one bullet or fire the whole clip.

AR-15s are semi-auto. One trigger pull = one shot. If it's a 30 round magazine, it takes 30 trigger pulls to fire all 30 rounds. There is nothing fundamentally different about an AR-15 compared to most other rifles. The collapsible stock may make it slightly easier to conceal, but other than that, it just LOOKS meaner. Put a wooden stock on it and take off the rails and it would be indistinguishable from any garden variety hunting rifle. A 22 caliber Ruger 10/22 works exactly the same way.

A full auto is a machine gun. One trigger pull = many shots. That's not what this guy used. And that begs the question. How was he able to get off so many shots, including changing magazines multiple times? I don't know the answer--just asking.

Whether it looks mean or scary, it needs to. For those of us who understand the need to be as equally armed as our governing body, and the implications of not being so, we're not concerned with looks. We're concerned with leveling the field.
If all hell broke loose, you would have semi-automatic guns up against REAL AUTOMATIC ASSAULT RIFLES!!!
Granted, it would be a hell of a lot of semi's, but the odds would favor the marksman.
Automatic fire isn't as accurate as semi-automatic fire...... and it's not how many you shoot, it's who you shoot. Think about that when reflecting on all mass shooting incidents coupled with the political climate around each event.

Makes you go... Hmmmmmmmm

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

Great information. I really wasn't trying to be a dick, but after spending the day writing about it, I thought one more time won't make me any more or less of one. Just trying to educate.

a reply to: EternalShadow

Well, we, the public, won't have tanks, Humvees, and Bradly assault vehicles with saws mounted on the turret, but we will likely be armed with the same ammo and magazines the others are using, so while I doubt we the people would last long, some of us have a little better shot as lasing a few extra minutes, should such a need arise. But I really doubt the military would engage it's own people. We would all be fighting to uphold the Constitution, so I'm not sure where the conflict might be at.

a reply to: network dude

you didn't come across as a dick, i thought some would find that info enlightening.

originally posted by: TorqueyThePig
I am extremely pro 2nd, but this is just splitting hairs.

It, for all intents and purposes, is an AR variant.

Exactly.

The Sig MCX has quite a few interchangeable parts with an AR-15. The biggest variation would be that it is piston driven.

I can take any mil-spec upper and swap it with the MCX and it will fire. Granted, you would have to swap out the folding stock and get a buffer tube, etc., on there. I could take the MCX upper on a mil-spec lower and it works as well.

It's an AR 15 variant.

This is semantics, it's silly, and taking us away from the real issue- Islam, not as a religion, but treating it as a political movement, which it most certainly is....

originally posted by: iTruthSeeker
What I find annoying is how they keep calling Ar's "hi powered" when the .223/5.56 they fire is one of the smallest rifle calibers there is, used as a varmint round.


iTruthSeeker

Well the .223 has a significantly larger charge behind it. A .223 will go through a 16guage steel pipe and a .22LR will not.
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