George Carlin - Political Correctness is fascism pretending to be Manners..................

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

This thing now about being nice to people when we talk to them about not calling them names, about referring to them like they want to be refereed to to me is simple stuff.

Sorry, no. Some history of the terminology is available:

The term "politically correct" was used disparagingly to refer to someone whose loyalty to the CP line overrode compassion and led to bad politics. It was used by Socialists against Communists, and was meant to separate out Socialists who believed in equalitarian moral ideas from dogmatic Communists who would advocate and defend party positions regardless of their moral substance. - Uncommon Differences: On Political Correctness, Core Curriculum and Democracy in Education

Fortunately we have not yet reached the Orwellian state where terms and history can be redefined without dispute. As far as being polite and respectful, I'm not against that, and being anti-PC doesn't require one to be against it. PC, as the term is commonly and historically used, is about political bullying and brainwashing. I am against that. No one who promotes PC should be excused as if they are simply standing up for manners and decency.

a reply to: awareness10

I watched the whole thing. It still doesn't tell me I should call people cripples, ugly or slow. I think he was pointing out the dangers of this going too far.

One example was 'Lookism', that is from 1978. I had never heard it and it sounds so ridiculous, that is why it never survived as a commonly used term. Physically Challenged I bellieve to be an accurate term, and it survives in our language.

I find political correctness about being empathetic, more than being fair. We are all different, I find it human to use terms to describe the differences that aren't hurtful. I f people find it human to just 'let it all hang out', not thinking before you speak, it is not the kind of person I want to be.

I am not too concerned about the exact origins, I am concerned with why it is used today.

a reply to: reldra

Thats the difference between you and I Reldra... Isn't it?

You're Politically Correct and I am Not.

I really don't think you understood what George Carlin said at all, you're far too closed minded.

have a nice day.

yeah , well, too bad his daughter has a different opinion.

a reply to: PLAYERONE01

Yes, according to you, i have not researched her, but what has that to do with George Carlin?

Please stick to the topic.

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: awareness10

I had no idea that what so many now are calling political correctness was such a big deal, that it was such an infringement on a persons rights. It just never occurred to me until recently, maybe the last year or so. With all of our other rights that are presently under duress it still seems to me that this one is over blown and I just don't get it. This thing now about being nice to people when we talk to them about not calling them names, about referring to them like they want to be refereed to to me is simple stuff.

My mother always taught me as a child and as a teenager and as an adult (she never stopped) that if I did not have something nice to say about someone else then I should not say anything at all. It was just that simple. So when I was in my youth and asked to not use the n word, I didn't, it only seemed natural to me. When it was suggested to me to not refer to people with mental workings that did not match my own as retarded for the simple reason that it was hurtful, I had no problem with it.

My simple rule of thumb is to do unto others as you would have them do unto you, speak about others as I would have them speak about me. I have not once felt oppressed when asked to consider others feelings when using my ability to speak. Not once.

That said, with all the pissing an moaning about this political correctness going on around here at ATS I began to open my eyes a bit more and yes, I can see how so many other people are pushed out of shape about it. Those who want to call other people names are pushed out of shape about it. Those who do want to be hurtful, those who do want to belittle and and besmirch with their vast vocabularies of gutter slang tossed about like the putrid breath of a rabid dog, oh yes, these people ARE pushed out of shape by political correctness.

Now it is not my place to suggest who is and who is not one of those kind of people. That should be the work of each of us, unto ourselves. But it is my place to point out that even though there may be people who hoot and holler about political correctness because they feel it is an infringement on our God given right of free speech and feel that they are only defending free speech as defined in the constitution they are still creating a safe haven, a (dare I say it) 'safe space" for the hate filled to hide.

Very well said. It comes down to civility and respect.

originally posted by: awareness10
Ah the Politically Correct, or as we now call them PC.



In the land of the Blind, the One Eyed Man is King.

But he will also be viewed as a madman as the reality he sees probably will not be what the blind "perceive" reality to be. He may be right but it does not mean that the truth will be recognized or the one-eyed man heeded.

a reply to: VP740

Thank you VP. Good history lesson. And good approach to understanding the hullabaloo from different perspectives.

As far as being polite and respectful, I'm not against that, and being anti-PC doesn't require one to be against it. PC, as the term is commonly and historically used, is about political bullying and brainwashing

And here you have stated the problem more clearly and succinctly than any others I have read, and indeed there is much to be concerned with. While I see the nature of the complaint here and applaud efforts to temper authoritarianism I also see that many who the anti-PC people decry, are trying to do nothing more than help create a society where all are treated equally and with dignity. And my complaint about the anti"PC folk is that some of the more vocal are anti PC for no more noble a reason than that they want to be free to spew venom at the slightest provocation as exemplified by the rash of expletives that can be found up and down the isles of ATS. The true struggle to battle authoritarianism is being muddled by not calling out these folks.

a reply to: awareness10

Anyone who thinks that modern political correctness is oppressing freedom of speech doesn't understand how freedom of speech is defined. It doesn't mean that you are free to say whatever you want and are free from any and ALL repercussions. The repercussions you are free from are merely limited to government retribution. Social or economic retribution are all fair game.

the ironic part is, Carlin probably wouldn't even do shows at college campuses. He would stay away because of the snowflake group think mentality.

a reply to: awareness10

Smart man, Carlin! Particularly amused by "minimally exceptional"! Wow.......what a stupid phrase!!

More insulting, in many ways, than just calling someone slow.

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
a reply to: awareness10

Smart man, Carlin! Particularly amused by "minimally exceptional"! Wow.......what a stupid phrase!!

More insulting, in many ways, than just calling someone slow.

Yes he certainly was! I know some of the phrases are becoming ridiculous aren't they, i mean it's Surreal at times watching rabid monkey's loose in the city wreaking havoc on everyone they come in contact with.

originally posted by: TinFoilSuit

originally posted by: awareness10
Ah the Politically Correct, or as we now call them PC.



In the land of the Blind, the One Eyed Man is King.

But he will also be viewed as a madman as the reality he sees probably will not be what the blind "perceive" reality to be. He may be right but it does not mean that the truth will be recognized or the one-eyed man heeded.

Viewed as a madman by the Insane, yes.

originally posted by: awareness10

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
a reply to: awareness10

Smart man, Carlin! Particularly amused by "minimally exceptional"! Wow.......what a stupid phrase!!

More insulting, in many ways, than just calling someone slow.

Yes he certainly was! I know some of the phrases are becoming ridiculous aren't they, i mean it's Surreal at times watching rabid monkey's loose in the city wreaking havoc on everyone they come in contact with.

Some of the are beyond ridiculous! Never did understand why people decided some terms were somehow derogatory, when they are simply descriptive. Some of the terms they come up with are actually insulting, I think, whereas the simple word they replaced wasn't. It's madness.

Love that pi, btw!!

originally posted by: Konduit
a reply to: namelesss

Speech should not be silenced or "reigned in". There should be a free market of opinions and ideas so people can choose for themselves. That is the definition of freedom.

Yet speech is constantly being 'reigned in' as the numbers of people in society increases.
When there were three people in the village theater, there was no need for laws against yelling 'fire'.
With a hundred people, the 'codification of law' is a necessity.
The rolls of society are still growing.
Laws are for people with no ethics; more people = ...!

If you watch, really observe, you will see how hate is a highly contagious toxin, spread by mouth and deed!
Shall Ebola sufferers be allowed to infect whomever they like with their 'rights' and 'freedoms'?
Are there no legal consequences to deliberately infecting people with HIV?
What, exactly, is the difference?
I'm sure the 'carrier' would scream and shriek at the notion of any laws that might curtail his 'freedom' and 'rights' to infect whoever he likes!
Like the 'Xtians' and their 'rights' and 'freedom' to persecute whomever happens to be on the hateful du-jour menu of the day; atheists, gays, Jews...

Lets look at a single act of insanity/hatred, the Orlando shooting.
Now, how many want to murder Moslems, how many want to take vengeance, an eye for an eye?
Ten eyes for an eye!!
They asked for it, right?
Damn atheists! Jews! Gays! Muslims!
And the hate ripples across the Universe...

God MUST be insane!

Only unconditional Love can heal and overcome all 'hate'!
And that starts by making it illegal to deliberately infect others!
Then we can focus on healing you!

originally posted by: awareness10
a reply to: namelesss

Indeed it is, yes.

There is more hate in the world than there ought.

The solution to this, is complicated, however, if war broke out, people would band together as they always do, to make it work.

I am tired of all things PC, toxicity and demands. I know there is a hidden hand creating this deceit and dishonor amongst man, and it will discontinue once people become agreeable and considerate to one another.

If war breaks out, and it has, I will not lift a hand in violence.
Life and death are not up to some lunatic with another fkking gun, or whatever...
The moment that I exhale for the final time already exists!
There is not anything that I can do to change it, so, in the meantime, what the Universe seems to need, is unconditional Love!
And it starts Here! Now! With Us!
It will be Universal in a short couple centuries, but for the moment, "don't dream it, Be it!" *__-

“Your task is not to seek for Love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it.” - Rumi

True, unconditional Love is ALWAYS recognized by It's unconditional Virtues; Compassion, Empathy, Sympathy, Gratitude, Humility, Charity ('Charity' is never taking more than your share of anything, ever!), Honesty, Happiness, Faith...
ALWAYS!

a reply to: namelesss

I wouldn't worry too much. The implosion will occur soon. No need to attach oneself to it.

Yes Rumi i like, he's a peaceful guy

Be as the monks are, they don't bother themselves too much with worldly things.

But us, it's a bit harder particularly Now, where up is now down, and right is now left and so on. That is madness.

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes

originally posted by: awareness10

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
a reply to: awareness10

Smart man, Carlin! Particularly amused by "minimally exceptional"! Wow.......what a stupid phrase!!

More insulting, in many ways, than just calling someone slow.

Yes he certainly was! I know some of the phrases are becoming ridiculous aren't they, i mean it's Surreal at times watching rabid monkey's loose in the city wreaking havoc on everyone they come in contact with.

Some of the are beyond ridiculous! Never did understand why people decided some terms were somehow derogatory, when they are simply descriptive. Some of the terms they come up with are actually insulting, I think, whereas the simple word they replaced wasn't. It's madness.

Love that pi, btw!!

Yes and its so true!!! lol funny how none have shown up since that quote.

originally posted by: awareness10

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes

originally posted by: awareness10

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
a reply to: awareness10

Smart man, Carlin! Particularly amused by "minimally exceptional"! Wow.......what a stupid phrase!!

More insulting, in many ways, than just calling someone slow.

Yes he certainly was! I know some of the phrases are becoming ridiculous aren't they, i mean it's Surreal at times watching rabid monkey's loose in the city wreaking havoc on everyone they come in contact with.

Some of the are beyond ridiculous! Never did understand why people decided some terms were somehow derogatory, when they are simply descriptive. Some of the terms they come up with are actually insulting, I think, whereas the simple word they replaced wasn't. It's madness.

Love that pic, btw!!

Yes and its so true!!! lol funny how none have shown up since that quote.

Now that is interesting!!!

In more ways that one, lol!

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

lol.

These are good too!