Social Engineering: Proof That Media Exposure Can Warp Gender Identity In Adult Men

a reply to: mOjOm

I'm not sure if Beavis and Butt-Head fans are really as stupid as the characters in the show.. I mean, really? I like The Simpsons but I wouldn't want to compare myself to Homer..

I don't really see the point though.. bronies are peaceful?

a reply to: TheLaughingGod

I'm not saying all the fans. I even said. If you had to choose between a real intense fan of one or the other.

Don't think too much about it. I'm not conducting a scientific study on it. It was just a half ass little example.

But I think it would stand to reason that a guy who really likes a show about some rainbow ponies in a deep way is most likely a little more passive than a guy who really likes a couple losers who sit on the couch all day praising fire and death metal. But I'm not trying claim anything profound with that statement or anything.

I mean I'd never stick a firecracker up a cats butt and I watched B and B and I wouldn't watch pony cartoons, so even I'm an exception to the rule I'm talking about.

Go figure...

I think an important aspect mainly being overlooked so far is if we are getting clear and present results in adult men, imagine what it's doing to small children.

Likewise, what seeds were planted via media early on in life for these Bronies? Whatever they were, it in most cases they happened, where this My Little Pony thing likely became the Brony trigger (outside of the serious mental illness cases). Brochurian Candidates!

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

In OIF we would strap Terry's up, and we would make them watch my little pony until they turned trans, you are on to us, it's time to dispatch an expiration team.

Omar, is that you?. The mentality in the op is the same mentality that left 50 people dead and even more injured. I hope you dont have a cache of weapons.

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

originally posted by: daryllyn
You were not correct in the assumption that this thread was based on. Watching a show, liking a show, being part of a fandom..... Is not what makes someone trans. Even dressing up in cosplay isn't what makes someone trans.

What makes, or doesn't make, someone trans, has nothing to do with your misguided opinions.

I'll stick by my earlier assertion that this thread was nothing but a thinly veiled jab at the trans community, stemming from your own discomfort, which most likely stems from your own insecurities.

Are you seriously going so lame to pull the old 'homophobe' role reversal card?

The Trans community wanted the Great National Debate, and now you got it. Careful what you wish for.

There's so much stuff I've covered in this thread and this is the best you can do?

I've clarified my position, busted out the universal definition of "transgender" and you're still arguing it in the simplicstic context of the original headline with a narrow fallacious definition of transgender you lot have apparently invented to define the course of the debates in this website.

Yep. Call them like I see them.

I haven't invented anything, but you have... like the absurd connection between MLP and transgenderism that your entire OP is based on.

a reply to both: PBL666 & daryllyn

That's the stupidest 'ethnic' comeback ever:
'If you're uncomfortable having gay culture shoved down your / your childrens throats its because you MUST be a closet gay yourself.'

Would be like saying to a Christian:
'If you're uncomfortable having Buddhism shoved down your / your childrens throats its because you MUST be closet Buddhist yourself.'

Or to a Communist:
'If you're uncomfortable having Capitalism shoved down your / your childrens throats its because you MUST be closet Capitalist yourself.'

Or to an Amish:
'If you're uncomfortable having Technology shoved down your / your childrens throats its because you MUST be closet Technologist yourself.'

Therefore, if you think pulling that tired old fallacious line makes you look intelligent, guess again.

Following all that, you want to be the center of attention of the universe, you want to shove your way of life down everyones throats (KINDERGARTNERS?!?!?!?), you insist nothing be off limits or sacred to the MAJORITY, you insist on rubbing it in out in public (in front of small children), well with it with any 'notoriety' or 'celebritydom' of the like comes the good AND the bad of public scrutiny and the like, where in this case, as I said, careful what you wish for.

MEANING: To label any and all critics: gay homophobes, hate speechists, MURDERERS, and so on... based on your SUB/COUNTER-culture getting widely scrutinized & critiqued (after you pushed and pushed to finally got all the attention in the world centered upon you)... That demagoguery is logically, mathematically even, way WAY more shallow than anyone resisting your social engineering agenda in general, while bordering on just as bad as the worst you could try to insinuate (as you attempted here).

That IS Bigotry, as is labelling any and all detractors as supporting or them themselves being mentally ill mass murders IS: BIGOTRY.

Good luck with all that, and shoving your way of life down the throats of 300,000,000+ million individuals.

You're going to need it.

NOTE: All that material above doesn't even get into the moral implications of insisting perverted sexual deviants too get to go into restrooms where little girls also inherently go, just so YOU might not get bullied. That's the utmost in unapologetic Selfishness Extremism.

Please do point out one single sentence above that is fallacious (actually go look up Logical Fallacy List, enjoy!).

On the merits of your demagogueful social engineering tactics alone you would find the likes of me join the opposition in almost any possible sphere / situation of intended influence. Way to go!
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Indoctoring?

Social engineering?

Um no these are men that have said you know I'm so secure with my sexuality; to where I can admit to not only liking My Little Pony but go to conventions about My Little Pony.

It takes a special kinda insecure curious sort of folk to harp on ones sexuality that is not their own... ahem control freaks.

It also takes a very special kind of person to say hey, I like what I like and dont give two flying figs if you like it or not... ahem unicorns.

That rare breed of a man that nearly every personal ad has been asking for: Where are all the good men at?

These are the good men btw, the ones not trying to collect women like Pokemon in a gotta catch them all fashion still wrestling with teenage style hormones.

These are the men women want to breed with because they see women as equals and know that they wont be some violent resentful drunk because tradition has talked him into some role he didnt want to be in, in the first place...

These men are free of the programming, and well theres more of them saying hey live and let live... nothing is gendered unless you try to make it gendered... which again speaks of control.

Gender and sexual attraction are two different things the people not aware of that are the ones confused.

Many see the Scottish male traditionally strong and powerful tossing cabers and swinging claymores... but hey thats still a mini-skirt even if you call it a kilt, and theres absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Theres some hyperfocus going on of control of ideas of what people can and cant be... the answer to that is um, whats your problem? Do you not like what you like? Do you have to shadow someone to find out what you like or to be who you are?

Thats fake thats lastic thats a facade of expectation which is a sociopathic tendency.

Those socio-pathic tendencies mean; you cant be the real you and with opression never could... so the real you is hiding in closets, laying pretend, giving fake smiles, and kissing babies all public PC while the scoundrel dewells within... has to lie outside, boast, chest pound, play alpha dog, to do what? Put on some show of insecurity that the individual knows is a lie. Well guess what? Many many many people of a few generations know it is too.

The very same people of those generations are free and can breathe, confident in who they are beyond sociopathic roles and expectations.

So um whos been indoctrinated again? Who is towing lines of rheorical lies when they look in the mirror and spout that being fake and plastic is being real when they look out into the world?

Not these folks, they are self actualized, self realized, and unafraid to be who they are... and well as such are known to say being a unicorn of this sort my self? Eat a bag of Richard(the slang form of that of course) Why? because thats what control freak you cant like what you like, love who you like, or be who you wanna be are being... so its an invite to just go ahead and eat oneself and the whole train of other Richards along the same line of ignorant hateful ideology that is nothing but control, jealousy, insecurity, in who they are... of course youre welcome to proudly claim the title of a Richard but dont play hide the sausage of who you are... and thats the whole point of why pride parades use the word Pride to begin with.

"media induced gender identity social engineering"... To what end? Also we call it the media cause it's simple to lump it all together, but not all media is coordinated. Unless all media is doing this a la north Korean media, in a coordinated fashion, social engineering isn't effective.

Also dudes who like watching my little pony, I see no difference between those fans and fans of cartoons or anime. Has nothing to do with gender, I think you equate them because you see the tv show as being girly and therefor it shouldn't be for guys. I see no difference between my little pony and Pokemon.
Except one has more pink and female leads

Yeah ok heh.... Dude's over 25 watching MY LITTLE PONY?

Who the hell would date a male bimbo mylittlepony watching freak like that? Not I.

I'd rather a Man, not a boy who is a man that thinks he's a Pony.

Come on,, this is past ridiculous.

Are people so gone nowadays they actually take time out for this sh't?

Where did all the REAL MEN go?

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

So because I am in support of the LGBT community, it must be my way of life?

Pot, meet kettle.

a reply to: awareness10

Hows that whole growing up thing been working out for you? Are you happy all the time now that youve killed your inner child instead of embraced him or her in wholeness?

But such "growing up" beliefs spread out as the real way to be is just a role you are playing by abandoning every single thing you liked as a child regardless is it was concidered male or female.

By that same rhetorical role thinking youre sassing about young lady; I hope you only wear dresses, no white shoes after labor day and definitely not doing anything but remaining barefoot and pregant... except washing dishes making sammiches and doting on your know your role husband in that drama youre playing called grown up.

Not an attack just a humrous; girl mmm mmm child look what you done did become cause you aint never been equal girlfriend so play that role shorty if you like being 1/2 a person and a slave to some kinda man that dont let you be anything just allow you to be something... you know what? Thats called daddy issues and oh boy oh boy do fellas that like playing pokemon like to trade that type around where everyone gets a turn and either your left with a geezer no woman can please or playing old maid with 75 cats on blueberry hill...

Of course if any of that is your jam? Hey nothing wrong with it but thats the reality of it...

originally posted by: GokuVsSuperman0

"media induced gender identity social engineering"... To what end?

New World Order and Turning Men Into Girls

Feminised males = conquered nation

originally posted by: BigBrotherDarkness
a reply to: awareness10

Hows that whole growing up thing been working out for you? Are you happy all the time now that youve killed your inner child instead of embraced him or her in wholeness?

You mean like this:

Paraphilic infantilism, also known as autonepiophilia and adult baby syndrome is a sexual fetish that involves role-playing a regression to an infant-like state. Behaviors may include drinking from a bottle or wearing diapers. Individuals may engage in gentle and nurturing experiences (an adult who only engages in infantilistic play is known as an adult baby) or be attracted to masochistic, coercive, punishing or humiliating experiences. Diaper fetishism involves "diaper lovers" wearing diapers for sexual or erotic reasons but may not involve infant-like behavior. Individuals who experience both of these things are referred to as adult baby/diaper lovers (AB/DL). When wearing diapers, infantilists may urinate or defecate in them.
en.wikipedia.org...

“Although infantilism is classified as sexual masochism in DSM-IV it is questionable whether the criteria for sexual masochism are always met. For example, if the infantile role playing does not involve feelings of humiliation and suffering, then the diagnosis of sexual masochism would not be appropriate and a diagnosis of infantilism as paraphilia NOS is warranted”.
www.psychologytoday.com...

Now some useful data to the topic:

Up until 1980, there were only three published case studies on infantilism all in the American Journal of Psychiatry between 1964 and 1967. Malitz reported a case of a 20-year-old college student who had a compulsion to wear nappies underneath rubber pants and defecate in them (although did not see himself as an adult baby). While defecating he would typically reach orgasm even if he didn’t masturbate. Tuchman and Lachman reported the case of a father who was arrested for molesting his young daughters. Like the first case, he wore rubber pants over his nappy and enjoyed urinating and masturbating in it. Dinello reported the case of a 17-year-old male who in his mid-teens started wearing nappies under his clothing, drank from baby bottles, and ate baby food, and masturbated while wearing the nappy. He eventually, gave up wearing nappies and began dressing in women’s clothing. In a 1980 issue of the Medical Journal of Australia, Pettit and Barr published the case of 24-year-old man who began dressing in female clothes at the age of 10 years and by the age of 15 years began to dress as a baby and developed a fetish for nappies.
www.psychologytoday.com...

We've already got that many case studies just in the thread so far (without even yet focusing on this particular).

Other more recent case studies have noted different etiological pathways into infantilism with childhood sexual abuse and transgender issues being apparent common factors among a number of published case studies. In a 2003 issue of the journal Sexual Abuse, Lehne and Money reviewed the case of a man with changing fetishes (transvestic fetishism, pedophilia) who in the final analysis described himself an adult baby (aged 45 years). In 2004, Croarkin and colleagues reported a case in the American Journal of Psychiatry. Here, a depressed 32-year-old male engaged in behaviors that included getting sexual arousal and gratification from wearing nappies and becoming a baby. The authors suggested that the infantilism may have been related to obsessive-compulsive disorder. Two years later in the Archives of Sexual Behavior, Evcimen and Gratz reported the case of a 25-year-old male who wished to be a 10-year-old girl although it is debatable whether this case would really be classed as infantilism.

The most recent case (2011) of ‘adult baby syndrome’ was reported by Kise and Nguyen in the Archives of Sexual Behavior. They outlined the detailed case of a 38-year-old biological male who preferred to be identified as a female (and referred to him as ‘she’ throughout their paper).

And there it is folks: clear links between abuse and sexual fetishism and transgenderism... as well as mental disorder:

“Perhaps desiring the identity of a baby is an entity all in itself, just like Major Depressive Disorder or Schizophrenia…This does not represent a new phenomenon…In some instances, [Adult Baby Syndrome] seems to represent a paraphilia. [In this case] she specifically denied sexual pleasure…her primary intent seems to be one of gaining attention and additional care, freeing her from adult responsibilities. Further investigation into the connection and potential co-morbidity between ABS and Gender Identity Disorder may lead to interesting findings.”

You should all take a good look at that article. That's only the 2nd thing to come up in Google.

a reply to: JoshuaCox

you ever heard of nastolgia

No,

fundamental part of the ID, that they are not easily effected by outside stimulus..

that's if you subscribe to Freudian psychoanalysis - you'd be one of the few

io9.gizmodo.com...

But his legacy is a shaky one. Freud has, for the most part, fallen completely out of favor in academia. Virtually no institution in any discipline would dare use him as a credible source. In 1996, Psychological Science reached the conclusion that “[T]here is literally nothing to be said, scientifically or therapeutically, to the advantage of the entire Freudian system or any of its component dogmas." As a research paradigm, it’s pretty much dead. Many of Freud’s methodologies, techniques, and conclusions have been put into question. Moreover, his theories have even proved damaging — and even dangerous — to certain segments of the population. His perspectives on female sexuality and homosexuality are reviled, causing many feminists to refer to him by a different kind of ‘F’ word. Some even argue that his name should be spelled “Fraud” and not Freud.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Conserve the male dominated hateful dominant fall in line one of us one of us cloud of homogenized samness... and I thought conservativism didnt like socalist ideas... oh but they do but only the Nazi totalitarianist control freak parts of it.

Yeah... thats quite the conspiracy isnt it? God has to be male, women are chattel breeding machines for out little mind controlled troops to march and invade hut two three for 40 generations dead we want 40 more...

Yeah dont think conservatism means republican either its just a hijacked term of propaganda sandwich hows that taste btw? haha just kidding weve all eaten that and said wait this doesnt taste like chicken at all.

And neither are these types of people. They are the same as the ones that fought in the first and second world wars... that literally ponied up to the task to stop this Nazi BS not these coddled I miss the 50s born into the I cant even someone go beat up that bully for me generation that fought a corporate proxy war no one but establishment wanted.

And its been nothing but propaganda control Nazi crap disguised as values. Yeah values alright control has value in a socio-economic system of slavery. Doesnt have to be that way, that world already collapsed its just that groan on the 4th stair step not realizing its just a step to better things, like pulling the dowel and reseating the screw.

What did you think Id say naw honey Ill get to it later and then snap and Chevy Chase a newel post with a chainsaw cause Im too busy having dreams of fantasy women in pools because making that family was expected as the role and now I hate everything so much Im gonna be pissed off at a jelly subscription cause I was so entitled I felt I deserved my imaginary oasis of a life and sunk myself and family in debt over it instead of maybe glasses or education or braces etc?

Pop cause thats why its so damn funny of a movie and tragic at the same time... selfish christmas 24/7 365 cause of my fake plastic reindeer Im hitched too...

Thats a fail thats not a win.

a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

Who said anything about conservatism / Christianity / "God"?

Christians, whom make a habit of pushing their dogma onto others are not
immune to my analysis' either:
Why would God be a 'man'?

God, creator of the universe, is driven by all of His holy testosterone. He's so busy, no time to shave off that gray beard and cut that long hair.

Would would something that creates 'a universe' (its the whole universe right?) be bound by such earthly things as hair, hormones, genatalia, JEALOUSY, deep voice, etc? How would any of these things even apply to a 'holy spirit'?

They insist I have to contemplate this stuff, like Obama has insisted we all have to ACCEPT the LGBTQMSOAEX material, and: Careful What You Wish For.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

...and? Thats his bedroom, his life, and maybe he has a significant other that likes him that way.

Notice the his and he. Its his choice not yours... but you wanna make it yours. That sounds like either extremist control or extreme envy.

Stop being a voyuer of life and start living is my advice.

Hey you can be stick up the butt guy if you want thats cool, hey everyone look its stick up the butt guy... hey stick up the but guy! Hope its sticking well for you today.

Dont wanna be stick up the butt guy? Then pull that thing of wanting to control others to make them just like you or to some unattainable ideal cause not rational logical reason what so ever stick out.