Three Syrian men accused of sex assault on 14 year old girl in Newcastle

a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

That is it Big. Whatever game you have played here is over for me. IT has been you that keeps bringing up rape. Rape rape rape. You have brought it op over and over while I have always contended that that was not the issue. Now it maybe that more information came to light that I am not aware of, I do not know as I have not followed the news concerning the situation. All you have done is attack and counter everything I have said to explain your questions to you using some mish mash of home spun Freudian interpretations. I approached you as if you were an honest broker but now find that I can no longer consider you such. So I"m finished with you.

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

terry this is not true you have been flatly denying that this even occured that is why everyone is on your case even when you where shown there is evidence to support this case you still continued to word your replies in a jaded way to seem like there was no evidence .
that is why everyone is on your case

a reply to: stuthealien

Stu. So I went back and re-read the OP article. I still found no mention of rape. Sexual assault, yes, but rape no. As I have been pointing out over and over 'sexual assault can range from rape and dramatic like that or simple things like a fondle or even a hug, if the female so desires to press charges. . My contention all along has been this is the scope of possible events and that I knew nothing more than that.

And for any record, I do not support unwanted advances by anyone ON any one.

You came forth with information on the legal system there of which I was unfamiliar and provided reason to suspect more evidence was available to move forward with prosecution, which can be surmised in that they are going forward. But still, to automatically jump to rape is still that, a jump. I"m not saying it wasn't or it was, just saying to not jump the gun.

So right now I googled Syrian Men Rape and Newcastle and all I could find was charges of 'sexual assault" In five different articles, the last of which was posted only eight hours ago. And no mention in any of them of rape.

So stu. I have no recollection of denying there was rape involved, only that I had found no specific mention of rape in anything that I had read OTHER than the posts of people here who kept insisting that it was. I'm ready to recant my ignorance at a moment's notice should some one be able to find me a link that places rape in the list of charges against these men, or as might be interpreted, boys.

originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
a reply to: TDawg61

Mohammed was a paedophile, so they're just following the example of their awesome 'prophet'. In fact, they showed restraint when compared to Mohammed - he married a girl at the age of six years old, then raped her (sorry, 'took her into his marriage bed') when she was aged just nine years old.

THAT is why this # happens, and people need to wake the # up & realise that these people are culturally accustomed to having their insidious way with little girls, often, and they believe it's perfectly alright to do so, based on the example of Mohammed. Little boys get raped too, and that's a culturally acceptable thing too, apparently.

Keep a watchful eye on such people, wherever you encounter them. Children are not safe in the presence of a large number of them.

As much as id like that to be true about muhammed being a pedo..its actually not according to the laws back then and the death rate.(as in there were not laws except to wait until they got their periods) Like it or not if they would not had had children as early as they did the world would be very very depopulated or dead of human life.

All cultures practiced it as well as a matter of survival. now in the modern world we are able to live very very long times now and its no longer needed or accepted. but judging the past by modern law is totally unfair and wrong.

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

i think as she is under age they are not allowed to print all the sorded details about a minor thats my understanding
just because it says sexual assault does not count out rape ,

two 18 year old men and a 20 year old means they will be charged as men under uk law .
can i ask why you ended by trying to refer them as boys

a reply to: stuthealien

No, it doesn't count it out. And the reason that I ended with the caveat of boys is this. I was not trying to refer to them as boy, nor referiing to them as men. I was offering the possibility that the maturity of these males is to me, in question. I recall when I was in my late teens and reading the news papers about males of my age. I noticed that if the males being discussed were being dicussed in a positive way, as valid and accepted members of the community they were refered to as men, or young men. But if the reporting was on some negative charge of action males of the very same age were refered to as teens or teenagers. One gives the impression of maturity while the other immaturity. Men and boys. So with what little I know of these three males of 18 to 20, they might be mature men, or they might be immature boys. The use of one term or the other leads to consclusions based on our already established concepts of men and boys and again my point was that as we know nothing more of their maturity level other than the ages as stated, I did not want to color my own assumptions as to their real nature.

they should all be given a one way ticket back to whatever crap hole they came from. but with how screwed up the world is they will probably be given supervised release or some crap.

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: stuthealien

No, it doesn't count it out. And the reason that I ended with the caveat of boys is this. I was not trying to refer to them as boy, nor referiing to them as men. I was offering the possibility that the maturity of these males is to me, in question. I recall when I was in my late teens and reading the news papers about males of my age. I noticed that if the males being discussed were being dicussed in a positive way, as valid and accepted members of the community they were refered to as men, or young men. But if the reporting was on some negative charge of action males of the very same age were refered to as teens or teenagers. One gives the impression of maturity while the other immaturity. Men and boys. So with what little I know of these three males of 18 to 20, they might be mature men, or they might be immature boys. The use of one term or the other leads to consclusions based on our already established concepts of men and boys and again my point was that as we know nothing more of their maturity level other than the ages as stated, I did not want to color my own assumptions as to their real nature.

I'll tell you how you can be 100% sure that it's more than a pat on the rump, it's because if it wasn't then the Police would have done nothing at all.

In my home town and in Rotherham, etc, immigrants and the offspring thereof repeatedly and systematically abused and raped hundreds of young white girls for OVER A DECADE - and the Police did nothing because they were frightened of being called racist.

So, you can be 100% certain, especially with these being Syrian and therefore much more tightly aligned to the current PC "lets save all the "refugees"" mantra that they have done something VERY serious indeed.

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

That is it Big. Whatever game you have played here is over for me. IT has been you that keeps bringing up rape. Rape rape rape. You have brought it op over and over while I have always contended that that was not the issue. Now it maybe that more information came to light that I am not aware of, I do not know as I have not followed the news concerning the situation. All you have done is attack and counter everything I have said to explain your questions to you using some mish mash of home spun Freudian interpretations. I approached you as if you were an honest broker but now find that I can no longer consider you such. So I"m finished with you.

Ive simply stayed on topic of the OP while youve consistently rationalized the behavior found in the OP. No game Im saying the behavoir is wrong and not accepted in society no matter the perpetraitor or the victim... and youve done the opposite in rationalizing such behavior.

The bottom line is its unacceptable, and no circumstances or arguments are going to change that overwhelming social and societial belief, because not only is it the norm its the law. So aruging for using al sorts of ration has already been deemed by society as irrational no matter how youself or others want to dress it for an excuse as tolerable or acceptable.

a reply to: stuthealien

Stu..... If that is how you want to see it, go right ahead. But,,,, iffffff you want to go back and read through the posts you will find that i NEVER tried to imply that they were immature. NEVER......What I did imply was that I....DON'T KNOW.
and from the information presented in the OP, neither does anyone else EXCEPT for those who wish to make an assumption of guilt based on previous biases. That is NOT to say that those biases are incorrect, but rather that they are not biases I myself have.

One last time here. What I did do was suggest that if we cast our biases aside, the scant information available in the OP, the OP link and the OP video was not enough to determine exactly who these males were, other than Syrian, one of which was a recent migrant. THat is all..

You now say I am sick as those males and trying my hardest to imply they were immature. Here Stu. Let me read this back to you and if you want, return with and let me know I did this. I said

So with what little I know of these three males of 18 to 20, they might be mature men, or they might be immature boys. The use of one term or the other leads to conclusions based on our already established concepts of men and boys and again my point was that as we know nothing more of their maturity level other than the ages as stated, I did not want to color my own assumptions as to their real nature.

This is from my last reply to you. Let me break it down.

So with what little I know of these three males of 18 to 20,

Here you will notice I do not refer to them as men or boys, I refer to them as males

they might be mature men, or they might be immature boys.

Here I use the speculative word MIGHT,, twice. No implying of either one.

The use of one term or the other can lead to conclusions based on our already established concepts of men and boys

And here again I try to point out the nature of how one word as opposed to another word can set in motion within a persons mind, already established images that MAY or MAY NOT conform to reality.

And finally

and again my point was that as we know nothing more of their maturity level other than the ages as stated, I did not want to color my own assumptions as to their real nature

"that WE KNOW NOTHING MORE OF THEIR MATURITY LEVEL other than their ages' clearly stating a low level of available information,,,
AND that I did not want to form conclusions as to their nature (mature man or immature boyS)based upon my own assumptions at all.


In another reply you point out that

two 18 year old men and a 20 year old means they will be charged as men under uk law .

Which I completely agree with. They should be and will be. It is the law, and again if you wish to check back in the thread this was pointed out to me and my reply to that post was exactly the same. Let the prosecution begin and justice served.

So, Stu... Where in any of that did I try my hardest to imply immaturity, enough so that you can now determine that I am sick? WHERE?

again the cps link proves they have evidence ,you also tried implying that she was provocatively dressed,
also you tried to say it was not rape .but the media are not allowed to print details of the minors here in the uk.
oh i assure you i am going on all your posts not just your last ,which i will collect and present to you but i am busy at the moment.
also in the uk the mental age does not matter they will still be sent to a adult facility ,infact pleading mental will just get them a maxium security mental facility like parkhurst instead of a cushy prison .
also i am not the only person who has picked up on your jaded responses in this thread .

As much as I hate to say this I believe this is culture that Extreme religious views and rules breed. I have many friends who served in Iraq/Afghanistan and other ME countries we weren't supposed to be in.....The common denominator they found was that all houses with males were riddled with porn. Often child porn and even gay porn. From what they explained to me from first hand experience is the place is ate up with horny/stoned out of their mind drug addicts. Often people in high position either in the Mosque or government in those countries were pedofiles. If you haven't watched this Vice Doc I suggest you educate yourselves...

To quote a high Muslim official in Afghanistan:

The police chief first said that the boys had chosen to live on the patrol bases: “They like being there and giving their asses at night.” He also claimed that the practice of soldiers sexually abusing them was necessary. “If my commanders don’t f%*k these boys, who will they f%*k? Their own grandmothers?”

originally posted by: stuthealien
a reply to: TerryMcGuire

i think as she is under age they are not allowed to print all the sorded details about a minor thats my understanding
just because it says sexual assault does not count out rape ,

two 18 year old men and a 20 year old means they will be charged as men under uk law .
can i ask why you ended by trying to refer them as boys

To be honest, news articles depicting "sexual assault" are nothing but a story to gain the publics attention. According to justice.gov, the meaning of "sexual assault" means "...any type of sexual contact or behavior that occurs without the explicit consent of the recipient. Falling under the definition of sexual assault are sexual activities as forced sexual intercourse, forcible sodomy, child molestation, incest, fondling, and attempted rape."

Until more is actually "reported" on this issue, all this really is is just a story to gain some kind of public attention until something further is done in the court of law. It got your attention, did it not?