Three Syrian men accused of sex assault on 14 year old girl in Newcastle

originally posted by: rigel4
Has Russia taken any Syrian refugees ?

Im wondering about something!

You are wondering the same thing I have wondered, I even found some evidence to support it.

www.independent.co.uk...

a reply to: everyone

So you decided not to think of underaged 14 year old little girls as underaged 14 year old little girls because of the assaulters culture and at the same time you are here telling people that they should not judge these guys based on their culture.

That is Sick, Dishonest, Twisted and Hypocritical. But defiantly sick first and foremost.

Cripes E. Do you have any thought that what I am saying is only twisted sick, disnonest and hypocritical because of the lense you are viewing it through?
If I may try one more time. These males, between the ages of 18 and 80 I think it said are accused of sexual assault. Are we on the same page here? OK if so then let me move on.

They are accused. Simple. Now if you wish, you can read into THAT whatever you like. All I read was 'accused.

Next. Accused of sexual assault. (still together here.?) I presented the thought that in this day and age, an accusation of sexual assault can range from outright rape and like actions to simple lewd speech and a simple touch. Can we agree on that?

Next. The two females were 14 years old. Here we agree, as to not agree would be to deny the only real information available to us from the article and the video. OK?

OK. Now, how do we consider these two females. Some here seem to me to consider them as innocent 'little girls' and I say what proof do you have of this other than your own assumptions. I myself can find no information to lead me to think this is the case over any number of other possibilities. For all I know they were dressed up in enticing manner suggesting sexual availability. I DON"T KNOW, so why assume either as being the case. It just does not follow. Do you see my point here?

OK. The males. The males can be considered, as they are by some, I presume, to be swarthy middle eastern men with hairy chests hanging out in molestation groups fondling every little virgin who passes by, IF that is how they want to see it. What I see is that this article say they were males between the ages of 18 and 20. Right? Do I have that right? OK.

So, do I know that they were not just teenage males some might call 'boys' who were flirting with 'girls' who for all appearances looked like they are older? Maybe, but I DO NOT KNOW. And neither do you or any one else on this thread because there was just not enough information. Yet, so many on this thread have gone right along with the judge-em and castrate-em and hang-em mentality because they do so according to their own biases with out evaluating the event as provided by the OP.

Now as to the thought once again of what age is sex with a child ok. By my standards and I assume yours it is not ok and a perpetrator should face charges. Agreed, yes? Those charges of course would depend upon the culture. If a culture says that a man can take a wife of 10 years old and have sex with her, is that ok? What if she has been given to the man by her parents as a wife. Would that be ok with you? Would it even be any of your or my business? Probably not.
Yet it happens and indeed has happened in western culture too for many many years. How about the renegade Mormons under that Jeffs guy. All those polygamists who give and take young girls for marraige and sex. Why are not people here pissing an moaning about that. Why is it always oooooo the Muslims, the big bad Muslims. Kill those child molesters. Why do they not stand up en masse and head over to Utah and that area and round up all those pedos there.

You seem to have me down as a sick, twisted and hypocritical child molesting apologist, and all I have been trying to get at here is that as far as this event goes, I, and you, and all the others on this thread DO.... NOT.... KNOW, so let's stop all the assumption based indictments.

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness
I agree with you completely.

But if you notice, my statements were in response to others judgments on the situation My use of the term' little girls' was in response to another judgment on the nature of the teenage girls and the term 'dressed up like whores' was in response to another judgment from a near opposite position.
The italics in both cases I had hoped to clarify that these were not my positions on the case but rather the position as stated by others.
In either case, and in all cases, if you wish to go back and find my statements on this subject you will find that my constant position is simple. We do not know enough about this situation to even make judgments. And thanks for for the consideration when you said "Not saying that's the case".

Oh no you double talked, said clearly you were reserving judgment using the same language and now throwing a redirect... and since you cant double quote with more than one browser tab open a capability my comp system doesnt ave you can now play dumb as I dont remember and waste my time going back when memory should be on your side... youre simply being evasive and ambigous and that is in no way is plausible denibility... its a show of no personal responsibility and the action of a scoundrel... I sir would hope youre not a scoundrel but all this bobbing and weaving isnt really landing any point.

If all youre doing is reserving judgment then why are you wasting server space and other peoples time even replying to the OP to begin with?

If you say hey when I see scantly clad young women it sexually arouses me instead of all this hubbabaloo then people would say ok thanks for finally being honest as you take this devils advocate side in every single thread like this Ive seen you post in so... hey you wouldnt be alone. Hell Hugh Hefner dropped the nudes out of PlayBoy for the ability to sexualize younger and younger females.

So hey youve got friends if that the case. I find it deplorable to be honest and well thats my stand... I dont have to doge and weave and pander my stance I stand here like a rock... its like that in any thread. I know all the debate tatics and games and the motives for bobbing and weaving. There has been a lot of push to sexualize younger and younger women every single year and theres always some rationale for it yet its not going to change the fact that these are children not adults... it takes a special kind of insecure person to victimize children because its an aberration oddly the same folks will rail against the LBGT communities etc. and call them perverts and mentally defunctional... no they are honest about who they are and who they are attracted to and have the courage to say it.

Cant say the same about make every excuse in the world for what RAPE? No matter the age or dress thats what we are discussing here. So hey by all means dodge bob and weave... when the stance is apparent.

originally posted by: Metallicus

originally posted by: one4all
If the word Syrian men wasnt printed would the impact be there???? Of course its a terrible crime .Three locals...three foreigners....three landed immigrants...three tourists.....but why the "hook" with the word Syrian?

You're right it should have said Muslim, but the liberal media just called them Syrian be cause the truth hurts.

How do you know they are Muslim?

Syria has a lot of Christians as well.

The crime is a terrible one, but knee jerk comments like yours do nothing for any argument except to spread more ignorance,

How the Kremlin Manipulates Europe’s Refugee Crisis
Russian intelligence is detectable in the huge migration wave hitting Europe. What does this mean for Western security?

observer.com...

It all adds up, there is a topic I started a couple years back that aligns with this

a reply to: Stormdancer777

give over trying to blame putin,not very relavent to this thread anyway!

originally posted by: Stormdancer777

originally posted by: rigel4
Has Russia taken any Syrian refugees ?

Im wondering about something!

You are wondering the same thing I have wondered, I even found some evidence to support it.

www.independent.co.uk...

Hi .. the link doesn't work... looks like the page has expired!

What were you thinking... i am just twitching not actually formed a theory yet.. but it is starting to smell
a lot...

a reply to: rigel4

observer.com...

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

are you for real?
it does not matter if the girl had a short skirt on or was dressed provocative as you say .the facts are she is a minor
a girl .

a reply to: stuthealien

Kinda think hes waiting to yell: Show me the money!.. shot.

Theres no excuse, culture belief or whatever children are children and eyes show intent... if they are up where they belong they arent going to lead the mind to places they dont belong.

a reply to: Stormdancer777

Yes.. very close to what i suspected.. especially lately
with bombing of Aleppo and targeting hospitals.. leave the people with no where to go .. but Europe

Wonder what their long term goal is...

This is sick, and it's only getting more mentally deranged as weak people sit back and allow this to happen to not only women, but children too. I am sure that Gryphon will soon show up to defend these filthy illegal, disgusting invading, horde vermin who prey on innocent females, as well as male children who are swimming at a pool just having fun. ~$heopleNation

originally posted by: Lysergic
Castrate them as we should any rapist.

Castate them, why do that? If you do that, then they will find their way into women's bathrooms as "sexually" confused!!

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

They are accused. Simple.
...
Next. Accused of sexual assault. (still together here.?) I presented the thought that in this day and age, an accusation of sexual assault can range from outright rape and like actions to simple lewd speech and a simple touch.
...
all I have been trying to get at here is that as far as this event goes, I, and you, and all the others on this thread DO.... NOT.... KNOW, so let's stop all the assumption based indictments.

OK, let's not form a lynch mob over accusations which we've exaggerated. We're good on that point.

For all I know they were dressed up in enticing manner suggesting sexual availability.
...

If a culture says that a man can take a wife of 10 years old and have sex with her, is that ok?

WTF? These type of statements are huge red flags that set alarm bells ringing in my head. When we're talking about sexual assault in a nation where culture and law forbids sex with ten-year-olds, why do feel a need to bring up these considerations?

a reply to: stuthealien

are you for real?
it does not matter if the girl had a short skirt on or was dressed provocative as you say .the facts are she is a minor
a girl .

100%. Yes, she is a minor. Yes it does not matter how she was dressed. I only put forward the IF of possibility to widen the scope of how the interaction might have occurred, not knowing any more of the situation than your or any one else. I also stated that we do not KNOW anything more about the whole kerfuffle than that there were allegations of sexual assault and that may range from what ever unwanted and illegal advances were made to simple teenage flirtations that have gone sour.That and the point that the whole article and slant from the original post pointed to biases against an ethnic group based on the the assumptions of villainy attributed to that group based on the fact that they were of a certain nationality(which should not matter either) and one of the accused was a recent immigrant.

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

we do know there is more evidence to prove it ,the uk c.p.s(crown prosecutuion service) do not prosecute if there is not enough evidence ,their is a court date set so the c.p.s are pretty sure and have other evidence.
why you would try to obscure this fact along with your provocatively dressed statement has my spider senses tingling but maybe your not a uk citizen and are not aware of how the c.p.s works ?

Thats what happends when you introduce men to a society who's women dress how they like. These men are most likely used to seeing women completely covered.

It all boils down to islamic culture. That culture needs to end before the middle east (and people from it) can evolve culturally.

I think the negative effects of covering women far outweigh the positive effects.

a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

Oh no you double talked, said clearly you were reserving judgment using the same language and now throwing a redirect... and since you cant double quote with more than one browser tab open a capability my comp system doesnt ave you can now play dumb as I dont remember and waste my time going back when memory should be on your side... youre simply being evasive and ambigous and that is in no way is plausible denibility... its a show of no personal responsibility and the action of a scoundrel... I sir would hope youre not a scoundrel but all this bobbing and weaving isnt really landing any point.

Wow. I spoke honestly Big. I used quotes to accent another s conception that these were little girls. I quoted the 'little girls' in most cases unless I forgot, so I beg your pardon. As far as throwing a 'redirect', I have no idea what that is so maybe I did and maybe I didn't. I don't know. And for not double quoting with more than one browser I don't know what that means either. I assure you, I sit down to my computer, turn it on, click my desktop ATS Icon and here I am. If I want to click the 'back' icon and go back a page to see what was written there, I do. I just supposed that everyone can. That's all, not doing whatever else you think I might be capable of.

You seem to consider my simple (and truthful) explanation as evasive and ambiguous in search of plausible deniability. Those I do understand. So from here, you can either take my word for it or continue to read into my replies whatever nefarious intentions you need to explain it in a way you can either agree with or condemn. The truth is simple. I replied to one post that put the blame on the males and all Syrian males in general, (and that is why I entered the thread, to speak in counter to the biased assumptions about Syrian men) and another post that placed all the blame on the teenage female because she is 'female' because "that's the way they are". Believe me or not Big, it's your choice.

Oh, and one more thing again. I am not talking about rape. I do not assume rape here even though others have. What I read was 'allegations of sexual assault. This can range from rape to nothing more than an inadvertent touch. Again we do not know.

Anyway once again thanks for hoping I am not a scoundel.