Pediatric nurse sues Winnebago Co Health Dept after losing job for her beliefs

a reply to: Xcathdra

This nurse case is starting to sound like the case of the public worker that refused to issue marry licenses to same sex couples in the bases that her believes were priority.

If we are to let everybody working in health care and public offices and every where else to put their believes before services we will come to a stand still in the nation.

a reply to: marg6043

When we start to use religion over everything else we become no better than terrorist who kill for theirs over everything else.

While my comment about a muslim doctor and a burka were dismissed I thinks its very relevant. What happens when someone elses religious beliefs find this nurse in violation of their tenets. Should she be forced to comply with their religious belies? Or would the argument then turn to religion shouldnt be enforced in the work place?

This nurse is not the one having an abortion.
This nurse is not performing the abortion.
This nurse is not prescribing abortion medications.


As for the idiot wingnut and marriage licenses she should read the constitution, specifically the first amendment.

a reply to: Xcathdra

what if one of the family planning nurses decided that she wouldn't give vaccinations to the kids because she believes that are harmful to children and cause autism... would she have just as much support as some or protection under this state law?

a reply to: dawnstar

A nurse cannot decide for themselves to give medication. It must be signed off on by the doctor.

To answer your question directly no the law should not protect her. The decisions should be between the parent and the doctor. If they want to get involved at that level go back tow school, get your doctorate, and go into private practice.

a reply to: Xcathdra
the last time I had to take one of my kids to a country health clinic for their shots, there wasn't no doctor involved I don't think... nurse practitioner maybe...

but I agree with marg, if we start allowing people to drop out of doing things because of their "beliefs" we are gonna end up having some major problems.

a reply to: dawnstar

Nurse Practitioners are not the same as a regular nurse. NP's can issue prescriptions under the Doctors authority. They have more training than nurses do.

Religious beliefs are a personal thing and should be respected but only to a point. Politics and certain segments of employment should not be dragged into a personal belief.

a reply to: Xcathdra

well as I understand it in the US, the gov't doesn't get to decide which beliefs are worthy of being protected and which aren't or exempt any types of jobs or sectors of the economy. it's more like you should try to accommodate unless accommodating is just too burdensome. and I believe that when these types of cases have gone before a judge, the judges have had a tendency to be pretty lenient on the side of businesses about it... at least that is how the federal laws seem to be working. I don't know how some of these crazy state laws that they've come up with of late are.
people have had religious beliefs and businesses have been accommodating them without much problems for quite awhile, probably the bulk of the 50+ years of my life. but we now have a certain segment of the populations that has been politically mobilized, has plenty of resources and people in some powerful places trying to see just how far they can go on them. we're always hearing about how sharia law is possible in the US, but it's the one's who seem to be the most afraid of it that are doing the most damage to the legal system that is in place to prevent such things from happening.

a reply to: dawnstar

Really?

So the 11 officers of Orlando Police and the Sheriff's office who responded to the terrorist shooting should be able to decide they aren't going to respond because their religious beliefs don't condone homosexuality?

See the slippery cliff we find ourselves at when we bring religion into the work place and decide those religious beliefs are more important than the job you signed up for and what that job might entail?

If nurses can use personal beliefs then how about Doctors? Dentists? Police? Judges? Politician's? Atheists?

Personal beliefs are just that personal. If people insist on dragging them into their place of employment and demand they be respected then they should prepare themselves to be forced to respect the religious views of others, religious views they don't agree with.

There is a reason the first amendment to the US Constitution protects freedom of religion while at the same time preventing the government (state or federal) from establishing a federal or state sanctioned religion. I would argue that since these laws are coming from state governments and in fact endorse a religion that the law is unconstitutional. The muslim cleric partly responsible for the bloodbath in Orlando preaches that homosexuals should be put to death. Should his religious beliefs be respected?

originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

She lost her job because she didn't want to carry out certain responsibilities in her job description. No controversy there.

That's like a Jew or Muslim working on a farm. If you refuse to feed the pigs, then you are refusing to fulfill your duties in that position. So why put yourself in such a position.

The sad thing is the Bible teaches that soul-life begins out of the womb (in Hebrew mibbeten and Greek ek koilias), never at conception.

Christians don't even know their own Bible these days....really, not since Constantine.

Wrong on all counts, but arguing with you would be pointless. If she was fired for not doing her job, it's because her job never required her to murder tiny babies before, until Obama came along and tainted the situation with his very evil aspirations and agendas.

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

She lost her job because she didn't want to carry out certain responsibilities in her job description. No controversy there.

That's like a Jew or Muslim working on a farm. If you refuse to feed the pigs, then you are refusing to fulfill your duties in that position. So why put yourself in such a position.

The sad thing is the Bible teaches that soul-life begins out of the womb (in Hebrew mibbeten and Greek ek koilias), never at conception.

Christians don't even know their own Bible these days....really, not since Constantine.

Wrong on all counts, but arguing with you would be pointless. If she was fired for not doing her job, it's because her job never required her to murder tiny babies before, until Obama came along and tainted the situation with his very evil aspirations and agendas.

Yet, at the clinic, that wasn't her job after the merge.

How do I know? Because there's no abortion facility in that clinic.

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

Roe vs. Wade was ruled on in 1973, long before Obama took office.

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

"tiny little babies"

the county health clinics do not perform abortion...
they have an obligation to refer you to someone who will.
they have an obligation to provide you information on the various forms of birth control and distribute birth control.
the one method that has been dragged through the mud in this thread as being abortion is the plan b.
it is given to women within 72 hours of having sex.
the egg will be fertilized sometime after having that sex, unless the plan b stops the fertilization.
if by some chance the egg is fertilized, is will remain in the fallopian tube for three days, maybe longer.
after fertilization the single cell (fertilized egg) will replicate about every 24 hours. so if the women takes the plan b within the 72 hours, it's probably about a six celled organism, if it's fertilized.
the plan be also prevents the uterus from preparing itself to allow for the implantation of the little bittie 6 maybe a few more, maybe a few less celled baby, which it won't be for many more days before it resembles anything looking even close to being a baby.

a reply to: Xcathdra

well, we've had them around for decades, it's just that people were more sensible about what they were asking for accommodation for, ya know like the sabbath off, things like that. the idea that a police officer or any other emergency worker would just refuse to go on a call because of religious reasons wouldn't be protected without prior request and approval from his higher ups I don't believe.

a reply to: dawnstar

The purpose of law enforcement is not to protect the individual, but society as a whole. Law Enforcement is not required to act. Medical, on the other hand, is.

My point being that if we drag personal religious beliefs into the work environment, and then demand laws that require those religious beliefs to take precedent, we are asking for a world of problems. That's before we run into an issue of conflicting religious beliefs among co-workers.

People, like this nurse, have no issues making a bitch fit with their beliefs and how others must be forced to accept in in a place other than a religious building yet they will be the first to throw a fit when they find themselves in a situation where they would be forced to accept the beliefs of others.

Religious beliefs are fine but not in a work environment such as a hospital.

From a constitutional argument position, your rights end the moment they interfere with the rights of others.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

A person can believe what they want. A person can, for the most part, behave as they like, as long as they're not hurting others. Everyone else has the right to respond to that person as they like, as long as those responses do not hurt others, or violate a person's rights. If a nurse refuses to do her job, she gets fired from her job, just like anyone else. No body cares about her religious beliefs, except her. If everyone in this country only did their job when they felt like it, nothing would get done. This world is not ruled by religious belief, no matter how badly religious minded people would like it to be.

Disgusting. Hope she wins this lawsuit. Abortion is a very controversial topic, and no nurse/doc should be forced to carry it out. Those who do should sign a separate contract that they would be willing to do so. Also some people forget conscious objection is a thing.

originally posted by: marg6043
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If we are to let everybody working in health care and public offices and every where else to put their believes before services we will come to a stand still in the nation.

Marg, did you read the Illinois Health Care Right of Conscience Act which was included in the lawsuit? That woman has been working as a pediatric nurse. You actually think that all of a sudden there is no work in pediatrics when she has been working there for 18 years?











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The law protects women like her. She works in pediatrics not on women's health.

It's amazing how people seem to want to force others to their will in this thread... Even when the law states even health employees can't be forced...

I am pretty certain there are as many children, and there is as much need to work in pediatrics now as it was during the 18 years she worked there. But the new supervisor simply wanted to impose her will on nurses like Mendoza which is against the law.

originally posted by: KaibaTheJedi
Disgusting. Hope she wins this lawsuit. Abortion is a very controversial topic, and no nurse/doc should be forced to carry it out. Those who do should sign a separate contract that they would be willing to do so. Also some people forget conscious objection is a thing.

Oy vey. *eye roll* Reading comprehension is a wonderful thing. No one is forcing this ding bat to assist in abortions. Her job duties simply expanded to include informing patients of reproductive options.

"Dear patient- legally you have access to these types of birth control methods, should those fail you legally have access to these abortion providers. If you should find yourself pregnant and want to give the baby up for adoption, here's a list of agencies. If you are indigent, here's how to apply for Medicaid. etc. etc. etc."

Those are facts. Period. Whether she personally agrees with them or not. She isn't being forced to perform abortions, assist in abortions or even recommend abortions. Merely informing patients of their LEGAL options.

originally posted by: TownCryer
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If a nurse refuses to do her job, she gets fired from her job, just like anyone else. No body cares about her religious beliefs, except her. If everyone in this country only did their job when they felt like it, nothing would get done. This world is not ruled by religious belief, no matter how badly religious minded people would like it to be.

Read the information provided, and the violation of the Illinois Health Care Right of Conscience Act which was included in the lawsuit. Her work was in pediatrics and she had been doing it for 18 years. The law states no employer can force even their employees to do something they find morally wrong. Heck, I guess a supervisor then can order his/her employees to perform sex acts because some here think that "nurses must do everything they are told to do"...

originally posted by: ladyvalkyrie

Oy vey. *eye roll* Reading comprehension is a wonderful thing. No one is forcing this ding bat to assist in abortions. Her job duties simply expanded to include informing patients of reproductive options.
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And the law states employers can't force employees to do something they find morally wrong... Again, no laws protecting employees then supervisors can request their employees to perform sex with them...