Goldman Sachs is sponsoring a Scientology-based jail ‘re-education’ program

originally posted by: ColdWisdom
a reply to: TerryDon79

The misdirection is strong in these squirrels.

I'm pointing to the moon and they are having you look at my finger...

Just stay on topic with the OP and ignore them. They know their time is coming.

Fair point.

It is fun showing people how dishonest scientologists are though.

a reply to: SpecialSauce
There is not a single post in this thread you have made that accepts or refutes the actual point of the OP which has much to do with Goldman Sachs funding a prison re education system consisting of made up words, a similar level system to scientology and its very shady research.
If you would like to ardently defend scientology perhaps you should not make so many joke threads and maybe make 1 thread worthwhile to discuss and unbiased approach to scientology. Here, you appear to be hardcore trolling and as I stated before all of your posts serve to derail this thread.
I find the issue brought up, its implications, and its embedded stance in the criminal justice systems both interesting and relevant considering both the upcoming American elections and the outcry for justice reform.
Do you refute the Op, agree with it, or is it a mixed bag?

originally posted by: SpecialSauce

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: SpecialSauce
a reply to: TerryDon79

You claimed a Scientologist killed someone and got convicted of it. I did some searching, I don't know how they're so Teflon clean but I found where a guy whose mother was a Scientologist killed someone. Is that what you're referring to?

I actually claimed more than just murder. Funny how you're so stuck on that one.

I know of that case, but there are others. I wouldn't really count that one as he wasn't in Scientology, but his mother was.

I found one where a tv actor in narconon killed his landlady, not a Scientologist either. How the hell do they have not one murderer among them? It's uncanny, that # must not work huh? Probably because most murderers were high or drunk when they killed according to a prison survey I read. And Scientologists can't do drugs or drink. I drink a little.

I guess you can back up those claims of murderers being on drink or drugs? Or is this the same as the medal thing?

a reply to: Brotherman

For sure. It's been nothing but misdirection, deflection and taking the thread off topic by a certain 2 members.

I agree that we should stick to the OP. One last thing though. True information is always preferable to false information and the only one that can decide which is which, for you, is you. I think some people who spread anti scientology propaganda on this site are evil intentioned, but most are just ignorant of the facts; they are not evil. There are many books and lectures in Scinetology. I encourage everyone to actually read and listen to the material directly so that they can decide for themselves. I think they'll find the truth of the matter refreshing.

a reply to: TerryDon79
Here bro this should help "its dangerous to go out there alone take this."
Link

In regards to the legal ramifications and all the abuse please keep in mind scientology has young members sign billion year agreements, and also you do not have to legally be an adult to sign these pseudo binding documents. Enjoy

a reply to: Aristotelian1

You mean that Scientology is a cult?

Yeah, plenty of people have already realised that. Plenty of scientologists have left because they realised it.

a reply to: Brotherman

Nice link, but no doubt scientologists will call it propaganda or just ignore it. Such are the rules of the cult.

a reply to: Aristotelian1

Have you ever been to a Scientology center?

I live in the Tampa Bay Area which is just a 10 minute bridge away from Clearwater, which is where their headquarters is.

They own most of the buildings in Clearwater, including but not limited too ALL the government buildings. They've infiltrated the city council and they've attained so much political power here that no lawyer in their right mind would take a case against them.

I'm on my phone right now but when I get home I'll tell you guys a story about when I went to visit the (then) newly opened Scientology center in Ybor City, Tampa.

It's a doozy!

originally posted by: Aristotelian1
I agree that we should stick to the OP. One last thing though. True information is always preferable to false information and the only one that can decide which is which, for you, is you. I think some people who spread anti scientology propaganda on this site are evil intentioned, but most are just ignorant of the facts; they are not evil. There are many books and lectures in Scinetology. I encourage everyone to actually read and listen to the material directly so that they can decide for themselves. I think they'll find the truth of the matter refreshing.

Bollocks, do you agree that re-conation is a real word or not?
Do you or do you not agree that a forced "treatment" to many non violent offenders forcing them to believe they are morally and intellectually inferior compared to the "free world" is ok or disgusting?
Do you or do you not agree the systems presented in the op not only model scientology but also work to the advantage of those that stand to profit much from for profit prisons?

Ignorant to what facts?
Quit derailing and answer the fooking question!

a reply to: Brotherman

It's also similar to a 12 step program. At first glance i don't find it shady. I think I could possibly do better. I think Scientology has some serious flaws. Bottom line- Psychiatry had it's shot at fixing them, so did psychology, give Scientology a chance.

a reply to: SpecialSauce

The 12 step programs are useless, too. They force Christianity down your throats.

Not a very innocent comparison, friend.

Edit: Psychiatry has its limits and fallacies as well. But the one pervasive element in Psychiatry as is with any Scientific discipline is the element of Peer Review.

Scientology doesn't have the same openness to collaborations and exchange of data that Science has.

a reply to: SpecialSauce

I'm sure a twelve step program of increased violence would work too. Should we start using that?

originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: Brotherman

Nice link, but no doubt scientologists will call it propaganda or just ignore it. Such are the rules of the cult.

I'd imagine scientologists also have jobs to pay for their education and means to travel, this being the case I would imagine ABC or CNN or MNSBC would qualify as relevant places they also pay attention to in regards to road conditions and also the stock market, I could not imagine a world main stream media is not relevant even to us that do not believe the news stories, then again the fact that scientology with all of its money and power breaks into the mainstream it would become ignored. I am sorry if what I am saying here is cryptic I feel I could explain better but I'm on a mobile phone with bad service visiting my dad while he gets married on a boat. Just u2u me and I will elaborate further on this thread regarding what I mean here, I ask for the u2u cause that will not become buried under lots of other stuff..., that smells funny.

originally posted by: SpecialSauce
a reply to: Brotherman

It's also similar to a 12 step program. At first glance i don't find it shady. I think I could possibly do better. I think Scientology has some serious flaws. Bottom line- Psychiatry had it's shot at fixing them, so did psychology, give Scientology a chance.

Answer the questions I didn't ask you about the 12 step program, the only scientology question presented from me in this thread regards its similarity to the program presented in the op.

a reply to: Brotherman

There was only 1 question mark, so question singular not questions plural and I answered it. I refute his comments.

We've talked an awful lot about L Ron Hubbard in this thread, without giving him the chance to speak for himself.

Have a look at this lovely 1970s British expose on LRH:



My favorite part is where he says he's been married 3 times, but that he's never had a second wife (NLP).

a reply to: ColdWisdom
It could be as you claim neuro linguistic programming or it could be, bear with me here, he doesn't believe in plural wives like Muslims and some old tyme Mormons.

a reply to: ColdWisdom

The irony is strong with LRH.

Also, he's a moron, which obviously helps lol.

a reply to: TerryDon79

To be perfectly honest, LRH is probably one of the smartest men that ever lived in modern times. So was Hitler, and LRH was a fan of his, also.

Don't even get me started on all the Nazi symbolism deeply embedded in the imagery of Scientology...