School calls police to stop 7-year-old kid from sharing Bible verses

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: GENERAL EYES
I can understand (and respect) the Separation of Church and State, as this is wise, but this is a child who is doing nothing more than sharing something he finds beautiful with others.

But, you know this would be presented differently if it was a Muslim kid handing out words from the Koran, or a Wiccan, or an Atheist, or anything other then Christian.

I am, without apology, a major supporter of complete Separation of Church and State.

Apparently, you can share religion in school under free speech - - but, it is not absolute. There can be restrictions put on it, times, place, etc. And it can't disrupt education.

I wouldn't present it differently no matter what religion it was.

I believe in the Constitution.

My religious views are really odd so I don't fit in any box really, my older threads would show I'm very often changing as I learn and grow.

Thank you for reading those links by the way.

originally posted by: muzzleflash

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: Annee

Don't you find it interesting that it's only the parents and Liberty Counsel who are making the claim? The Sheriff office denied it.

Any story in the media is misleading.

I would know I was in national news recently and it was all lies, except they got my name right.

I do hope things ended well.

Or, will end well if its something continuing.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: Annee

Don't you find it interesting that it's only the parents and Liberty Counsel who are making the claim? The Sheriff office denied it.

Well, Christians (not all Christians) that encourage their minor children to Proselytize, especially at school, do seem to have tunnel vision.

They only see their own world of being Christian. They don't have any concept that they are intruding on other people.

So, yeah - - - they see only from their own perspective, so it could very well be distorted from what actually happened.

I'm not Christian.

I agree about their views are often distorted, but at the same time believe your view is distorted by anti-Christian antagonism.

My views are distorted by my Narcissistic tendencies and my recent experience having my ego completely crushed and obliterated. Well, almost completely, as you can see I'm still domineering and pushy. Just less than I was a few years ago.

originally posted by: muzzleflash

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: Annee

Don't you find it interesting that it's only the parents and Liberty Counsel who are making the claim? The Sheriff office denied it.

Well, Christians (not all Christians) that encourage their minor children to Proselytize, especially at school, do seem to have tunnel vision.

They only see their own world of being Christian. They don't have any concept that they are intruding on other people.

So, yeah - - - they see only from their own perspective, so it could very well be distorted from what actually happened.

I'm not Christian.

I agree about their views are often distorted, but at the same time believe your view is distorted by anti-Christian antagonism.

My views are distorted by my Narcissistic tendencies and my recent experience having my ego completely crushed and obliterated. Well, almost completely, as you can see I'm still domineering and pushy. Just less than I was a few years ago.

No, I was raised Christian. It was a good experience when I was younger. It wasn't the Fire & Brimstone kind.

I even considered becoming a minister at one time. Searching for truth/facts on Jesus made me realize there really is no truth to the story.

I understand what has become the "Jesus way", which doesn't even require Christianity. And is probably not even close to what the real Jesus was about.

Believing you have rights, because of God belief, to infringe on other is my issue.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: muzzleflash

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: Annee

Don't you find it interesting that it's only the parents and Liberty Counsel who are making the claim? The Sheriff office denied it.

Any story in the media is misleading.

I would know I was in national news recently and it was all lies, except they got my name right.

I do hope things ended well.

Or, will end well if its something continuing.

It'll take years...
I'm at the beginning of like 8 cases in various Courts. I'm doing good though, doing it myself with no help so I'm not very confident and I admit I'm sorta terrified sometimes.

The worst that can happen is I don't win $. Or the mafia might kill me (lol jk).

I'm hoping to use all of these tragedies in my favor and rebuild a new better life and get back on TV but in a much more positive Light.

Sorry I got a lil off topic there, but yes, the media reports junk without even doing a basic Google search sometimes. Or it will favor the individual initiating the story by omitting facts contrary to their presentation or agendas. It's all too tragically true.

a reply to: muzzleflash

Well positive energy to ya.

May the truth (or whatever) prevail

a reply to: muzzleflash

People on ATS have been that way for a long time. But not only here, it is everywhere. And the funny thing is, in the past at least, it was the religious people who did most of the persecuting and trying to prohibit the free exercise of religion. And the clergy used the governments to censor other religious institutions.

This has been going on since the dawn of time, and will continue to on until the end comes.

The law was put into place to begin with, because the founding fathers KNEW that people would try to censor and put a damper on our freedoms.

A lot of them were fleeing from Europe for exactly that reason. To be able to worships freely, because in Europe they were being hunted down, persecuted and murdered for their beliefs, usually by the Catholic Church. But those in the Protestant Reformation have a very bad record of hunting down, and murdering people who thought differently from them as well.

There are several interesting and good examples of young people in the Bible that gave a witness for God and with good effects as the result.

One was of an army chief of the Syrians. He had obviously captured an Israelite girl and was using her as a servant. Actually I looked it up and that is right:

"On one of their raids, the Syrians had taken captive from the land of Israel a little girl who became a servant to Naaman’s wife." 2Kings 5:2.

Well that man had leprosy and the young girl started to witness to her mistress that Jehovah could cure him of his leprosy.

He listened to her and heard of the prophet Elisha and went to look for him.

Elisha refused to see him, but told him to go and bath in the Jordan river seven times and he could be made clean.

At first he grew hot with anger that he wasn't given a presentation before Elisha, considering his rank and who he was. But he humbled himself, even though he considered the water from that river inferior to the water from the rivers in Syria.

Finally he did as was instructed by God and the seventh time he bathed he was cured of his leprosy. And he actually became a worshipper of Jehovah after that incident.

Notice that no one forced that little girl to give a witness about the true God. She did it because she wanted to help the people that had captured her.

There are a few other examples of children giving a fine witness to Jehovah.

One is of the three young Hebrews, Shadrach, Meshach and Abednigo. That is a very good story. It too, had to do with three youths who were taken from Jerusalem as slaves into Babylon.

There they faced many tests and trials away from home and family. But they did not compromise on their faith. And when ordered to bow down and worship a false idol, something that was forbidden by Jehovah, they refused, even though the penalty was death.

And when the king found out these three young Hebrews remained standing while all of the rest of the people bowed down to worship the idol, he grew hot with fury and had them bound and thrown into a fiery furnace to murder them.

But Jehovah sent and angel and they did not die. And when the king saw this he called to them to come out, and he humbly acknowledged the superiority of the true God Jehovah, and the reward of faithfulness of his servants, even when they are youths and children, in the face of persecution, and even death. And no parent was around to tell them what to do.

Good people who love God will speak about him to others, because they love, both God, and people. They are doing what is right.

Bad people who hate truth and good will want to stop them for speaking. But that will never happen. Those with true integrity will continue to witness about Jehovah, even in the face of death. Although they may be more discreet about how they witness when they are banned and harassed.

In this case, this young child is being harassed by adults. I was harassed by adults in school, usually the teachers because my beliefs were different from theirs. I saw their harassment of me as ignorance and intolerance. As they would chide me and make fun of me in front of the class for not celebrating certain festivals, etc, which I knew were not Christian, and not in the Bible, but came from pagan origins.

I wasn't ignorant, it was they who were. In fact several adults, usually teachers took the time to actually sit down and listen to me as I, being a person of tender years at that time, and only a child, would teach them about things they didn't even know.

If I was asked or told not to express my beliefs, I would not do so, out of respect of the authority there. I could still express my beliefs freely during recess or during times I was not supposed to be doing classwork. Which is obvious, class time is for class.

Even though, like someone mentioned kids, especially today, I know for I have two children in school, are very filthy. They speak obscenities non-stop, use their cell phones to share pornography and degrading music with each other, bully each other, are belligerent, disrespectful of authority, full of haughty temperaments, and a lot of them are bullies and do filthy stuff.

Girls have propositioned my oldest of my two children for sex, he has been offered crack, coc aine, and marijuana. He has been offered ciggerates, been told to rebel against the authority at school, and even his parents. Been tempted to steal, and do other things which he has had to deal with all by himself at school where I am not there or his mom to protect him.

At home he instill the proper values of morality and honesty and integrity and truth and honor in him. And it is up to him whether he is going to apply it or not. Just like those three young Hebrews so far away from their home.

Society today is going to rot, and many of the kids in school are filthy and disgusting. I know this from personal experience.

Hounding a kid for having scriptural quotes is intolerant and disgusting. Even if I didn't agree with what he was saying, I wouldn't call the police on him for it. That is a form of outright bullying by the adults their against him for his religious beliefs.

And that has been going on since the beginning of time

originally posted by: PeterHawkes
There are several interesting and good examples of young people in the Bible that gave a witness for God and with good effects as the result.

I don't care.

I am raising my kid without God.

If any kid starts Proselytizing to my kid at his elementary school - - - they're gonna hear about it.

It is my choice what he learns about God belief - - - not yours.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: PeterHawkes
There are several interesting and good examples of young people in the Bible that gave a witness for God and with good effects as the result.

I don't care.

I am raising my kid without God.

If any kid starts Proselytizing to my kid at his elementary school - - - they're gonna hear about it.

It is my choice what he learns about God belief - - - not yours.

I had a lot of classmates with parents like you. They hated me. They showed actual visual agitation and hatred whenever they saw me. And I knew of several classmates that were verbally and physically abused and bullied by their parents with attitudes like the one you displayed.

One in particular believed very strongly in the Trinity Doctrine. And he took his Bible to school one day and told me to show him from his Bible that Jesus wasn't God. And I did in short order, and he was a very nice and very sincere person.

We became best friends and after school we would hang out and I gave him a Bible study. But his dad hated me for it. And scolded him verbally abusing him several times, and a couple of times beating him in the face for talking with me about the Bible.

In the next room his older brother was a practicing Satanist and his aunt in the house was also a witch. And the demons would bother him every night.

But he continued to study and when he decided to convert to serve the living God his dad gave him the ultimatum, after beating him, to either give up his beliefs or get kicked out of the house. This was over a period of several years, by the time he made up his own mind to to the right thing he was 16 years old. And he was kicked out of his house and abandoned by his family.

I know of another parent who actually locked his daughter up in the basement hoping she would not learn the truth.

People with your attitude and belligerence are a dime a dozen they are everywhere.

originally posted by: PeterHawkes

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: PeterHawkes
There are several interesting and good examples of young people in the Bible that gave a witness for God and with good effects as the result.

I don't care.

I am raising my kid without God.

If any kid starts Proselytizing to my kid at his elementary school - - - they're gonna hear about it.

It is my choice what he learns about God belief - - - not yours.

I had a lot of classmates with parents like you. They hated me. They showed actual visual agitation and hatred whenever they saw me. And I knew of several classmates that were verbally and physically abused and bullied by their parents with attitudes like the one you displayed.

Lots of parents openly showed hatred to you. Sure they did.

People with your attitude and belligerence are a dime a dozen they are everywhere.

God, I sure hope so.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: PeterHawkes

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: PeterHawkes
There are several interesting and good examples of young people in the Bible that gave a witness for God and with good effects as the result.

I don't care.

I am raising my kid without God.

If any kid starts Proselytizing to my kid at his elementary school - - - they're gonna hear about it.

It is my choice what he learns about God belief - - - not yours.

I had a lot of classmates with parents like you. They hated me. They showed actual visual agitation and hatred whenever they saw me. And I knew of several classmates that were verbally and physically abused and bullied by their parents with attitudes like the one you displayed.

Lots of parents openly showed hatred to you. Sure they did.

People with your attitude and belligerence are a dime a dozen they are everywhere.

God, I sure hope so.

Yep. Just like this.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: PeterHawkes
There are several interesting and good examples of young people in the Bible that gave a witness for God and with good effects as the result.

I don't care.

I am raising my kid without God.

If any kid starts Proselytizing to my kid at his elementary school - - - they're gonna hear about it.

It is my choice what he learns about God belief - - - not yours.

I wanted to save the decision as to what to believe in for when my boys were older, and could do the research, and make an informed decision.

That choice was taken away from me by grandparents and a neighbor kid.

I spent many nights comforting my children, assuring them that they weren't going to go to hell, and that the dead would not be rising up. The neighbor kid told them that the corpses of the dead would crawl out of the ground before rising up into the sky to meet God.... And they were scared to death. They were four and six at the time.

So it's not always a positive message that comes from children, being given to other children. It's not always harmless.

Schools don't care how many people they offend trying to keep their students from being offended.

originally posted by: daryllyn

I spent many nights comforting my children, assuring them that they weren't going to go to hell, and that the dead would not be rising up. The neighbor kid told them that the corpses of the dead would crawl out of the ground before rising up into the sky to meet God.... And they were scared to death. They were four and six at the time.

So it's not always a positive message that comes from children, being given to other children. It's not always harmless.

Geeze, that's horrible.

It's especially important for my grandson because his dad died shortly after he was born.

He sometimes says he wants to die so he can be with his daddy.

I am a Spiritual Atheist and do believe the energy consciousness is eternal. I've told him life is like a computer game. You have to do things to reach different levels and you can't leave the game before the end. That each person has their own ending. That when your physical body ends, your Spirit Self gets to choose another world (game) and you can choose the same one your daddy is in. But, not until you complete your own game to the end.

He has said things like "Am I going to Hell" - "Is my daddy in Hell"- - and I tell him, that is just another game. I don't think you'd want to choose that game.

I want him responsible for his own choices. And I want him doing it for himself. No excuses outside himself.

a reply to: PeterHawkes

Thank you for sharing that, it was very meaningful.

a reply to: Annee

So your system of "Spiritualism" is founded upon hatefulness, resentment, anger, jealousy, and tyranny?

That is so ironic considering you rejected the Bible for that exact reason.

Sometimes you become the monster you sought to destroy...

You're being very abusive towards nearly everyone.
Love and tolerance is the answer, not Hate and discrimination.

Now if they are trying to pass bibles and paper scriptures during the teachers teaching time or class work time or during class activities, then and only then it should be considered class "disruption" now this should be against the rules. But if they are doing it during free time or lunch time, talking about it or giving a bible out to someone that accepts it or not during their free time in school. This should NOT be a problem. Let us be reasonable. Atheists children should also be allowed to say I don't believe in God... sorry. Atheists should also be allowed to speak this and say this during their free time in response or even say keep it to yourself. If an Atheist want's to write this down on a piece of paper and pass it to someone during there free time in school. For example GOD is not real. This also should not be against the rules or pass out a Sam Harris book against religion to someone. Same thing.

Religious freedom gives you the right to speak and express it. Now does that mean people will want to hear you or accept it? No....they can just ignore you and not make simple conversation about it with you or they will not be your friends for sure. Or in this case just ignore the scriptures and bibles that they are trying to share. Or what some of them might do is accept and just toss the bibles in the trash or corner of there house and never look upon it. NOW what it doesn't give you the right is try to make the "BELIEF" of Jesus as law. As in say a law or policy like....."You must believe that Jesus Christ is LORD and SAVIOR or you will not be allowed to use this PUBLIC BATHROOM. And that is the distinction that you don't seem to understand.

Let's be reasonable here, in simple conversations among kids all "types" of topics get brought up and they should be allowed to! Or they should be allowed to share a Bible or a Sam Harris book if they like during their free time. If someone wants to wear a shirt that has a cross symbol on it this should be allowed. If someone wants to wear a shirt that says Atheism. This should be allowed. Must they take away everything that make us WHO WE ARE or WHAT WE LIKE and you are just letting them! We are trying to protect them so much, that we are making them weak against what really counts and that is their right to freedom of speech and religion. Take away this and we are making them 'weaker'. OH BUT THEN THE MINORITIES WILL BE BULLIED THEY SAY. No offence but as a kid, I got bullied for being poor, for being shy, for being quiet, for being a nerd, for not being popular, for not having a girl friend, for being a virgin, for not ditching class, for NOT JOINING A GANG. For doing what is RIGHT. Spare me this silliness of don't pass out a bible scripture during lunch time.....this is not allowed.

Let us not lean to far in one direction that we lose sight of the "REAL" problems in school. Next they'll say no talking about Jesus or Buddha or Atheism during lunch time. Let us not put our children in some type of box, in hopes of some misguided false protection, against what really is going on with the preservation of our individuality of freedom.

For if anyone greets me in the public, Hi how are you doing?" My response may well be," Jesus is good to me." If this offends you........sorry but this is my answer. If your word is keep it to yourself! To late, I have already shared the GOOD NEWS. Whether you believe it or not....it is up to you.

Peace

originally posted by: muzzleflash
a reply to: Annee

So your system of "Spiritualism" is founded upon hatefulness, resentment, anger, jealousy, and tyranny?

Did I say that?

That is so ironic considering you rejected the Bible for that exact reason.

The bible is a selected collection of translated/mis-translated ancient script stories.

Sometimes you become the monster you sought to destroy...

Is that what complete Separation of Church and State is?

You're being very abusive towards nearly everyone.
Love and tolerance is the answer, not Hate and discrimination.

I'd say Daryllin and I have presented straight forward logical reason why sharing a religious belief to an impressionable minor is never OK.

Yeah, like I'm getting lots of love and tolerance

I'd say Daryllin and I have presented straight forward logical reason why sharing a religious belief to an impressionable minor is never OK.

Then we should stop preaching Transgender and Homosexuality in the same ages.