Bernie Sanders Didn't Drop Out

Well there you have it. Bernie Sanders has said that his campaign is going forward and not just that but that he's taking it to the convention. This should satisfy a lot of his die hard supporters but has he just assured a Trump victory?

Is he waiting to see if Trump can sink Hillary in the month and a half leading up to the Democratic National Convention?

a reply to: theantediluvian

Is he waiting to see if Trump can sink Hillary in the month leading up to the Democratic National Convention?

Quotes aside, this is what I like you - your attention to detail. If it's one thing I admire most about Sanders it's that he sticks to his guns so to speak and win or lose, I respect someone who doesn't pay lip service but intends to follow through on his words.

a reply to: theantediluvian

Bernie is acting like a jerk.

He needs to go home.

originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: theantediluvian

Bernie is acting like a jerk.

He needs to go home.

Bernie seems to have the strongest belief system of the 3 candidates still in the race. He never has to change his slogans like Hillary, or retract what he said, like Donald. I suppose a strong resolute core is not what the American people are looking for in their President.

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: theantediluvian

Bernie is acting like a jerk.

He needs to go home.

Bernie seems to have the strongest belief system of the 3 candidates still in the race. He never has to change his slogans like Hillary, or retract what he said, like Donald. I suppose a strong resolute core is not what the American people are looking for in their President.

I don't care.

He should've run 20 years ago.

Go Sanders!

I like some of his ideas, certainly not a fan of many due to the strange concept of American 'Socialism' and some of his more recent statements, but i am a fan of the man. Stick to your guns Bernie. Don't be blackmailed by the Clinton drones.

Run Independent if you have to.

Sounds like he's staying in on the off chance Hillary goes down. He lost the election but he's still the runner up if Hillary for some reason doesn't become the official nominee. Maybe he knows something, or maybe he doesn't and just wants to leave open the possibility.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: theantediluvian

Bernie is acting like a jerk.

He needs to go home.

Bernie seems to have the strongest belief system of the 3 candidates still in the race. He never has to change his slogans like Hillary, or retract what he said, like Donald. I suppose a strong resolute core is not what the American people are looking for in their President.

I don't care.

He should've run 20 years ago.

I don't like your comment.

It's NEVER too late to do what you want or be what you want to be! More importantly, it's NEVER too late to do what you believe is the RIGHT thing! There is never a right time to do something, now is his time.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: theantediluvian

Bernie is acting like a jerk.

He needs to go home.

Bernie seems to have the strongest belief system of the 3 candidates still in the race. He never has to change his slogans like Hillary, or retract what he said, like Donald. I suppose a strong resolute core is not what the American people are looking for in their President.

I don't care.

He should've run 20 years ago.

You might not care but many others do care, care about that wacky racer clinton in the top job, a place she clearly doesnt deserve to be in

a reply to: Sublimecraft

It's the really the only smart play.

He's walking a fine line. If he steps up the criticism of Clinton while she's under what is shaping up to be a tsunami of mud slinging, he could find himself on the receiving end of a backlash. On the other hand, if Trump's attacks are successful and she's unable to counter effectively, come the end of July he could look like nothing short of a savior to the Democrat's superdelegates.

If all else fails, he can bow out gracefully and talk about how they fought the good fight and the movement will go on, etc.

If I were Hillary, I would hit him hard on things like eminent domain. About his ridiculous lawsuits. Paint him as a crony capitalist who abuses the system to crush the regular folks so he can make a buck (all true btw). I'd attack him for his whining relentlessly. It's hard to sell yourself as a strong man ruler when you're being emasculated by a woman. I'd also call out the media for allowing themselves to be so easily manipulated by Trump (to manipulate the media). Anything that makes him look weak. Anything that demonstrates a history of being a rich bully shafting average people.

He's already guaranteed that whoever opposes him will carry the Hispanic and black votes. Trying to attack him for his treatment of women/objectifying of women (whatever) isn't really going to cut it. That NYT "expose" that backfired has pretty much inoculated him against that not to mention that the attack reeks of "political correctness" and so will fall largely on deaf ears.

In short, don't try to be sophisticated and attack the persona.

a reply to: Sublimecraft

If it's one thing I admire most about Sanders it's that he sticks to his guns so to speak and win or lose, I respect someone who doesn't pay lip service but intends to follow through on his words.

I talk a LOT of smack about Sanders, but I actually have a great deal of respect for him because of this.

If he told me he would mail me a birthday card in 30 years I would believe him.

If we could engineer a Sandrump I would vote for it in a second. Give Bernie some balls, give Trump some humility... Clinton has enormous balls and no humility.

a reply to: Annee

Id rather an honest old commie than a mass murdering elitist narcissistic bitch whose only sales pitch is that she has a vagina

a reply to: theantediluvian

I'd attack him for his whining relentlessly.

Sanders or Trump?

a reply to: khnum

OMG SO SEXIST!

Hillary is incredibly unsettling. Out of the people I don't want to vote for Sanders and Trump are ALMOST tied (I'll take the brash over the pussy), Hillary is a turd sandwich rotting in a giant douche well below either.

I don't even like the independents this time. It's been pretty funny, but now I'm super disenfranchised and have no idea what I'm going to do.

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: theantediluvian

Bernie is acting like a jerk.

He needs to go home.

Bernie seems to have the strongest belief system of the 3 candidates still in the race. He never has to change his slogans like Hillary, or retract what he said, like Donald. I suppose a strong resolute core is not what the American people are looking for in their President.

That's because the MSM is socialist and they're taking it easy on him. They obviously know they can't be too blatant about it so they make it look like they're all for Hillary while doing all kinds of sly hit pieces on her.

Bernie Sanders is a fanatic so obviously he seems to have "a strong belief system". All fanatics have that going for them right off the bat. Believe me. The left is in love with Sanders and watch for them to do everything they can to try to pull something eventually that will give him an advantage.

a reply to: Domo1

In Australia were fed up too luckily there are some good third parties and independants running I truly hope we end tweedledumb or tweedledumbers divine right to rule and force them into coalitions with people that still give a ##it.

a reply to: BrianFlanders

The American Mainstream Media is far from socialist.

In fact I would argue that Bernie Sanders himself is not a socialist, despite the fact he describes himself as one. Having a smattering of various left wing ideas does not make one a socialist.

Of course the American Left is so screwed up anyway. The extremist wing of the American Left seems to be an ever-increasing racist and sexist movement.

As for the European Left, they jumped the shark long ago. Look at Sweden.

a reply to: Domo1

Trump.

She's got the pledged delegates. At this point I would imagine that Sanders is in something of a holding pattern. I don't believe there will be much overt criticism of Clinton from Sanders and instead, he's going to go back to really focusing on the "the struggle" for meaningful change. Clinton is going to be focusing exclusively on Trump, she's got the pledged delegates after all, so her biggest concern going into the convention will be how she's polling against Trump. Right now Clinton is getting a bump vs Trump because he's been shooting himself in the foot but if she falls behind in multiple polls over a couple weeks and by a wide enough margin, the superdelegates could hand it to Sanders.

a reply to: khnum

Govt. types seem far too removed from their constituents. I get it, you start out all bright eyed and bushy tailed (I hope that expression translates) and you slowly get sucked in, trading a favor here and there so that in the long run you can move up and be more effective and wield more power. Problem is, when you get there you've lost all sight of what you started out wanting to do. So invested in a game that you don't know how to pull away from, and you know you can't do it alone because everyone else will disavow, so you lie to yourself (I just need a little more influence so I can do this sort of questionable thing even though they keep getting more questionable) and keep playing the game and become Hillary Clinton.

I really do think most people in positions of power start out with wonderful intentions, but they get slowly perverted along the way to that power and don't realize it. I don't think certain people got in to politics and had some nefarious plan, I'm sure some did, but I bet most really truly wanted to help. To be able to help, you have to play the game, and when you play the game you're stuck and screwed like a pig in David Cameron's basement.

We're all too stupid and complcent to actually vote anyone out, and for some reason it seems like the longer someone is in office the more likely they are to stay there, even when they're screwing things up left and right. I'm thinking it's a name recognition thing. "I know i don't like politician X, but he has to be better than this guy I've never heard of!". I am uninformed as F about my local politicians. Those are the ones that matter, change it from the ground up. Yet here I am, discussing a position in government that seems more and more to just be ornamental.