War with the Benjaminites, maidens of Jabesh-gilead and the daughters of Shiloh.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

And another thing that makes you a Bible baby is that you are arguing that the Bible doesn't contain any allegory except Paul one time.

Are you unaware of what a parable is?

It's a story told as simple story with a hidden meaning that only some will understand.

That is the same concept as allegorical interpretation and a way of telling our dumb human asses how to read the Old Testament.

Of course you will just angrily dismiss me.

But I know what the * I am doing, talking about, and you have no voice in my world, you are just so happy about selling your soul that you have to tell everyone about it and have not a clue about anything sophisticated spiritually.

Why does my Spiritual freedom urk you so villainously?

Because you lack of true knowledge and Wisdom.

a reply to: LenatasataneL

Demeaning is not a way to win anyone over but it is the way of the disinformationist and that has been your way from the beginning.

There are metaphors, Parables, types. symbols, hyperbole, allegory and other figures of speech but there are very few allegories.

A parable is a true to life story to drive home a certain point. The True story of the Benjaminites is not a Parable or an allegory. It is literal historical literature and must be kept in its historical context when studying it.

I am sorry but Parables and Allegories are two different things, to make them the same once again shows your ignorance of literature. Things that are different are not the same

I have not dismissed your claims. I did however prove by the very text you quoted that God was not compliant or permissive of the taking of the women for brides as your OP claims. And you have since now claimed the whole text Judges 19-21 are allegory.

Please remember you cannot place any emotion of anger to my text unless I put it there and I haven't. You lack eye contact, body language and intonation of speech to make that call is simply foolish. Unless I use an emoji or emoticon or use capitalization you have no idea of my emotions.

Your use of calling people "dumb human a**es" does show your anger and is a violation of the T&C. But I see you have already prepared yourself for banning by registering another ATS user account. Which once again tells us who you really are. But you are not far from the truth even asses are a type of human in the Holy Bible but I doubt you ever found the verses that deal with that subject.

For over 20 years I was all into all the topics you brought up over the last 7 months via your many personas on ATS. And I thought I had advanced knowledge and wisdom as you now do. however I found no peace, my spirit was still longing for truth that I could never seem to find. I had tons of books the which if I had tallied the cost would have been into the tens of thousands (no ease of internet in the 80's). I went to retreats in Arizona to sit in native American sweat lodges, I did drugs to try and connect with my inner self. I was involved for many years in the church universal and triumphant and chanted mantras until my voice was gone. I went to Asia and visited Buddhist monks and stayed at their monasteries for months at a time, I even combined the practices of three types of buddhism to devolve my karma and stimulate the chakras. I went to India to seek out Hindu gurus and practiced Yoga and transcendental meditation. I spent tens of thousands of dollars seeking the truth through New Age teachings here in the States.

But when I came to the end of it all I met the living God and Savior Jesus Christ. He saved me from all that torment and nonsense, and has shown me more light than any of that which I sought ever could, and now I have peace and truth that passes all understanding and no one and nothing will ever take that from me. And for the last 22 years I have I live by faith. I have seen the Lord supply for me and my family. I am currently trusting him to buy me a house so I don't have to rent any longer and that all by faith.

When it comes to the Bible I have a doctorate in theology, I am an ordained minister, I am a member of International Chaplains Association. I served in the mission field 15 years. So unlike your ignorant claim that I am Bible Babe, I assure you I am not. I count all that came before Christ as dung and will stick to the Word of God over anything and anyone else.

Have a peaceful nights rest

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: LenatasataneL

Demeaning is not a way to win anyone over but it is the way of the disinformationist and that has been your way from the beginning.

If the truth makes you feel demeaned does the problem lie within me? Certainly not! I have not demeaned anyone, and this is a tactic to make me look like someone I am not. I take every effort possible to show everyone respect and you make a game of trying to antagonize people who are not like you. When you get called out for it you switch over to the persecuted Christian routine and start doing what you accuse others of.

There are metaphors, Parables, types. symbols, hyperbole, allegory and other figures of speech but there are very few allegories.

The book is typology and allegory from start to finish. And you just said 1 allegory only a few messages ago. Now it has "parables, symbols, hyperbole, allegory and 'other figures of speech', ' but little allegory." A huge departure from your original sentiment that everything is strictly literal and historically accurate. Did you learn something new from then to know? Or did you get caught saying something false and are flip flopping?

You don't understand the what allegory is. It is what makes a story into a parable. You can not have a parable without allegory, it is the main component. And the Priests who knew the true interpretation of scripture taught it to only those who they deemed worthy. It is not a big conspiracy that has been covered up, but a well known fact that apparently you just have not learned. In your mind that makes it false. But I am fine with you thinking that because reality is you don't appear to have much of a clue about history or Jewish history, culture, teachings on Tanakh or anything that is not the "authorized" version of events. You are content with being submissive to what you are told and I sense it was a failure of sorts or a loss of some kind that lead you to Christianity and not because you were grateful for God. You are now permanently in fear of hell because you believe in it. Afraid of God because you think he will send you to hell if you stop Bible thumping. God is Love, and fear of God is the beginning of Wisdom, not the end. Wisdoms greatest truth is that God is in no way like the allegorical descriptions of him in the Old Testament and that the worship of Yahweh is the worship of Baal. Israel has always worshipped Baal and just gave him a new name. Baal is supposedly the enemy of Yahweh yet Baal means Prince or Lord.

Also, Yahweh had his Asherah until the second temple period. El and Asherah were the parents of the Canaanite pantheon and Baal was their grandson. Baal was elevated to Most High and Asherah became his consort. This coincides with the Israelites Baal, Yahweh, who eventually became the lone God of Israel condemning Asherah and, rather humorously, Baal, though they still worshipped him and used Baal as a noble title. Same goes for Molech, the god of infant sacrifice still worshipped today (see: Bohemian Grove) by many Jews and pagans. Melech or Melchi means King as in King of Righteousness. But remove the vowels as there were none then in Hebrew and it's MLCH MLCH. Same word.

To put this in perspective, it is like calling the President: the Satan of the United States of America. Sotus. So you don't know a thing about the "god" you worship, or the history of the Jewish people, you think they have forsaken God and the truth is that they have never been what they claim to be. But you think that the despotic Yahweh is a righteous god and if taking the Bible literally he is the most evil character in the book and what Jesus was saving us from. Jewish debauchery and Radicalism. Israel is the most powerful terrorist organization in the world due to Zionism and people think they are a legitimate nation and when they have reduced Palestine to a permanent war zone and denied them every basic human right.

A parable is a true to life story to drive home a certain point. The True story of the Benjaminites is not a Parable or an allegory. It is literal historical literature and must be kept in its historical context when studying it.

I know what a parable is and it is not a true to life story, though it could be, it is not a requirement. Allegory is a component of parables. The story about the Benjaminites is not true history, and if you think it is I feel bad for you. It might have some truth to it but it's purpose has been established in this thread if you want to go back and read.

Must is your personal opinion. I think your view foolish as you can't verify it's truth in any way. To assume it as history is illogical in every way. There is no logical reason to assume that it is history. It would be called history and not religion were that the case.

but Parables and Allegories are two different things, to make them the same once again shows your ignorance of literature. Things that are different are not the same

Now, you accuse me of demeaning people, falsley, yet call me ignorant because I know that allegory is a component of parables and you don't get that, so I am ignorant? But you not knowing something makes you ignorant, not me.

I have not dismissed your claims. I did however prove by the very text you quoted that God was not compliant or permissive of the taking of the women for brides as your OP claims. And you have since now claimed the whole text Judges 19-21 are allegory.

All you have proven is that God isn't recorded as having ordered it. But He punished the Israelites for making a cow out of gold, and many other things less evil than that. His silence and his not punishing them is his consent. He started the war by commanding Judah go first. He was supervising it. He approved it is a rational deduction and not out of character at all for HaShem.

When it comes to the Bible I have a doctorate in theology, I am an ordained minister, I am a member of International Chaplains Association. I served in the mission field 15 years. So unlike your ignorant claim that I am Bible Babe, I assure you I am not. I count all that came before Christ as dung and will stick to the Word of God over anything and anyone else.

Bible BABY, not Bible babe, is what I said. Meaning you act like a baby when people don't think like you by throwing tantrums and by not being mature or intellectual enough to find more meaning in the Bible than is "authorized.'' It is too complex for you to understand so you reject
it.Those claims you made about doctorate in theology and ordained minister are not at all impressive. Many cult leaders make those claims. That just means you think you need titles to be somebody.
That you are fully indoctrinated into the teachings of fundamental Christianity. You have been told what to believe by the only religion that could offer you what you needed. A piety cloak. But you are still not who you claim to be and as soon as you can admit that you are a deceived deceiver and hypocrite who is dishonest you can repent and learn who the real Christ is, the true God and let go of the salvationist lies that you think are true. No offense, just bring real.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: LenatasataneL

Demeaning is not a way to win anyone over but it is the way of the disinformationist

Your use of calling people "dumb human a**es" does show your anger and is a violation of the T&C. But I see you have already prepared yourself for banning by registering another ATS user account. Which once again tells us who you really are. But you are not far from the truth even asses are a type of human in the Holy Bible but I doubt you ever found the verses that deal with that subject.

See how you turn my statement "OUR dumb human asses" into me calling people dumb human asses. I included myself so you just used a disinformationist tactic after calling me one. I have proof you are, where is yours? Hypocrite. You also said I am demeaning, then demeaned me and pretended to present my tactics but couldn't because I don't need tactics.

For over 20 years I was all into all the topics you brought up And I thought I had advanced knowledge and wisdom as you now do. however I found no peace, my spirit was still longing for truth that I could never seem to find. I had tons of books the which if I had tallied the cost would have been into the tens of thousands (no ease of internet in the 80's). I went to retreats in Arizona to sit in native American sweat lodges, I did drugs to try and connect with my inner self. I was involved for many years in the church universal and triumphant and chanted mantras until my voice was gone. I went to Asia and visited Buddhist monks and stayed at their monasteries for months at a time, I even combined the practices of three types of buddhism to devolve my karma and stimulate the chakras. I went to India to seek out Hindu gurus and practiced Yoga and transcendental meditation. I spent tens of thousands of dollars seeking the truth through New Age teachings here in the States.

You just told the story of the life of every charlatan from Paul to Blavatsky to Crowley and L. Ron Hubbard. Did you live in a cave too?

You sound like the typical person who falls for new age garbage and gets taken for their money. Dejected, you blame them, but still needing someone to tell you what is true you go to the same scam in a different package.

I have never claimed advanced knowledge about anything. I know a great deal about religions and didn't have to spend thousands of dollars and get scammed to do it. I educate myself in all Wisdom, you reject it for the hope of grace.

But when I came to the end of it all I met the living God and Savior Jesus Christ. He saved me from all that torment and nonsense, and has shown me more light than any of that which I sought ever could, and now I have peace and truth that passes all understanding and no one and nothing will ever take that from me. And for the last 22 years I have I live by faith. I have seen the Lord supply for me and my family. I am currently trusting him to buy me a house so I don't have to rent any longer and that all by faith.

God is going to buy you a house? Wow. So there it is, you are in it for the benefits like a sorcerer who asks for something in an invocation.

God isn't in real estate guy. You are interested in worldly possessions. The prosperity Gospel. You just exposed your true intentions and that is the source of your misery and bitterness.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

More likely what happened is you joined Freemasonry as a Christian and got shelved because of it.

Now your only use is as a fundamental enforcer of the authorized version of British Christianity as a low level propagandist.

That is an educated guess but I am at least close to the truth. You definitely have Masonic affiliations that is apparent.

a reply to: LenatasataneL

I am only a saved individual of the blood of Jesus Christ.

Nothing more, nothing less. I live by his grace through faith because that is how I was saved and I will continue to do so until I die or he takes me home.

You have a peaceful night.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: LenatasataneL

I am only a saved individual of the blood of Jesus Christ.

Nothing more, nothing less. I live by his grace through faith because that is how I was saved and I will continue to do so until I die or he takes me home.

You have a peaceful night.

I am not anti fantasy, it doesn't bother me that this belief of yours isn't even what Christ taught.

He never used the words grace, justification or said faith alone saves. His brother said without good deeds it isn't even faith at all. Jesus says that good trees produce good fruit. So then, what is a tree that produces no fruit(if a fruit tree)? It is dead, just as James said.

The Kingdom of God that is within and without, on earth as it is in heaven. Spiritual enlightenment. Righteousness. Born again and resurrected. Ascension. The third eye, 7 Chakras, 33 kundalini.

But you don't understand and take the wide path because it is easy. Grace.

Instead of his teachings you prefer to profit of him as a human sacrifice.

Making you unwittingly a member of the cult of Molech.

You chose Barabbas.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: LenatasataneL

I am only a saved individual of the blood of Jesus Christ.


Nothing more, nothing less.

Cool.

I live by his grace through faith because that is how I was saved and I will continue to do so until I die or he takes me home.

Well, that is more and you just said and you said "No more, no less.''

Is it just the blood like you said, or is it grace, faith and blood(y) human sacrifice?

Because if you join a cult that celebrates human sacrifice of the nicest guy ever as a way to live forever in paradise:

You are a Christian.

If you follow the teachings of the man instead of thinking that you can not do anything to make yourself not a hellbound sinner with no hope of redemption without faith in grace.

And figure out that you are related to God, his descendant and family, and naturally have divine DNA, that you can go to heaven if you find that narrow path that only few will find.

You realize that the wide path is Christianity, the human sacrifice cult.


Then you have found the Way. That is what the followers of Yesha HaNozrim are called.

The Way. The narrow path. Uckfay ace gray

You have a peaceful night.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: LenatasataneL

I am only a saved individual of the blood of Jesus Christ.

Nothing more, nothing less. I live by his grace through faith because that is how I was saved and I will continue to do so until I die or he takes me home.

You have a peaceful night.

I will say this is the one time you have not insulted me in a comment.

And a definite stock answer.

a reply to: LenatasataneL

I am equally if not more shocked because this is the first time you have not insulted me, called me a demeaning term like baby, masonic, cult, or some other derogatory statement about my posts.

I follow the word of God, rightly dividing and applying it to my life.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

I don't believe you about the doctorate in theology. If you really have a respectable advanced degree in religion, you would know better than to pimp "Jesus only" - you would be a proponent of comparative religion and finding common ground.

So - yeah. I don't believe you. Education actually helps loosen the chains of dogmatic blinkered ignorance.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

L*****y University class of 1997.

Buzzy, The reason it is Jesus only and nothing else is because then it is adding to his finished work of the cross for our salvation.

I am not one to look to ecumenical-ism or all Religions are the same or even that all Sects of Christianity are the same.

This is what most of them all have in common 1) to control people, 2) to get glory for themselves, 3) to make a living serving their bellies over God.

I seek to liberate from the scholastic lies you and I were fed.

Here is what I learned apart from their teaching.

1) There must be a preserved English Bible today - I believe it to be the AV or God didn't keep his promist and is not worth following.
2) We must learn to study it according to God's instructions and not that of men. Right division- which entails contextual, historical and English Grammatical understanding of any text, and comparing Scripture with scripture. Something the Holy Ghost does but many feel it is wrong for us to use the Bible to prove a Bible truth.
3) One must be saved by grace alone through faith. Any thing added to that means you aren't saved.

Your opinion seems to think that by getting the education I would have gone the way of the so called good godly Christian scholars, but in reality I was able to get a well rounded understanding and saw that the whole Christian education system was making people followers of men and not Christ.

Know this I am not your average Christian. My Christian education benefited me very little.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: BuzzyWigs

L*****y University class of 1997.

Buzzy, The reason it is Jesus only and nothing else is because then it is adding to his finished work of the cross for our salvation.

I am not one to look to ecumenical-ism or all Religions are the same or even that all Sects of Christianity are the same.

This is what most of them all have in common 1) to control people, 2) to get glory for themselves, 3) to make a living serving their bellies over God.

I seek to liberate from the scholastic lies you and I were fed.

That is not at all what you do, if you seek to do it you are not succeeding at even trying. You just tell people your silly interpretations and ridicule people who don't think like you. You don't even behave honorably. FOS. You are more oppressive than anything.

Here is what I learned apart from their teaching.

1) There must be a preserved English Bible today - I believe it to be the AV or God didn't keep his promist and is not worth following.
2) We must learn to study it according to God's instructions and not that of men. Right division- which entails contextual, historical and English Grammatical understanding of any text, and comparing Scripture with scripture. Something the Holy Ghost does but many feel it is wrong for us to use the Bible to prove a Bible truth.
3) One must be saved by grace alone through faith. Any thing added to that means you aren't saved.

You can't learn something unprovable, you don't believe in following Jesus teachings and don't realize that Jesus never said the word grace one time.

The KJV as most people call it, is now fringe. It stinks. The best translation is the Jerusalem Bible and the NRSV is second.

Your opinion seems to think that by getting the education I would have gone the way of the so called good godly Christian scholars, but in reality I was able to get a well rounded understanding and saw that the whole Christian education system was making people followers of men and not Christ.

Know this I am not your average Christian. My Christian education benefited me very little.

That is apparent. You are the only member of your religion.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: ChesterJohn

I don't believe you about the doctorate in theology. If you really have a respectable advanced degree in religion, you would know better than to pimp "Jesus only" - you would be a proponent of comparative religion and finding common ground.

So - yeah. I don't believe you. Education actually helps loosen the chains of dogmatic blinkered ignorance.

I don't believe it either. It is obviously not true at all. He has also lived in India with monks, taken psychedelics and lived with Native Americans and sat in sweat lodges. Got fleeced by New Age book peddlers and basically done everything.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

1) There must be a preserved English Bible today - I believe it to be the AV or God didn't keep his promist and is not worth following.

Erm, well....there isn't a "preserved English Bible" - there are only translations of translated translations, so far from the originals that they bear very dubious resemblance to anything akin to truth.

I don't think "God" made any "promise", ever - I think it is all man-made, invented nonsense.

But anyway, thanks for your reply.....

I do believe that you mean well. It's just that your glaring refusal to accept that the "Bible" is an anthology of mythology, fantasy, allegory, fantasy, invented 'history,' and preposterous lies is bizarre. Especially for someone who has been educated in the world's alternative styles of thought.

The Bible is clearly an assembled, compiled, tweaked, edited, translated, manipulated piece of hideous propaganda. If you don't realize that, well, that makes me sad.

Once again LenatasataneL/ Szarah/ gnosisisfaith/Lastdays has been found out again and banned. He already is using another acct on ATS. He registered an new one on the 10th I should have noted the name. But he will show his hand once again.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

It's not your place to discuss banned members (and it's a violation of T&C).

Now - would you please address the last couple of posts?
I find it very hard to believe that you have searched the world for answers and studied with sages and gurus and ascended masters and decided that only "Jesus."

I would like to hear about that process. I mean where, when, who, why, what and how you studied.....and in what order, and with what preconceived OPINIONS and convictions you entered into those studies....
because based on your posts on here, it seems highly suspect that you did those things at all, unless it was some sort of litmus test of your faith - like if you were infiltrating just so you could shoot down the opposition --- a recon mission, so to speak.

Nevertheless, taken at face value - what were the lessons and teachings that you chose to dismiss and why? Specifically, please. And, did you dismiss them BEFORE you entered into those experiments? Had you already made up your mind and were just "testing" yourself? Because that wouldn't really count as anything but an endurance test. Did you do it with an open mind? Or your decision already made? You know, like dating other girls just to make sure your fiance is really the only one that turns you on.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Each of us have our own journey my ended with Jesus Christ.

From 1974 until 1993 I had traveled and searched ended in Maui. I was tired of searching, I was tired of life, I was tired of being robbed by business partners. Pulled a gun out and put it on the floor in front of me and started talking myself into putting it in my mouth saying, "Just pick up the gun it will all be over". when I grabbed it and started to bring it up the words pick up the Bible went through my head. I stopped ended up at a church the next day in Paia and got saved.

Struggled a bit but been going at it ever since.

Each of have our own journey mine ended with Jesus Christ.