Violence Erupts outside Trump rally, a female Trump supporter assaulted

a reply to: Gryphon66

You are right that all sides should be condemning violence. I did condemn when Trump supporters were violent, and I will acknowledge that you are correct that some people made excuses for that, and that is wrong.

However, there are several differences with the anti trump peoples violence.

1. It is far more common. For every one video of a trump supporter attacking someone, there are dozens of anti trump people doing it.

2. Anti trump people are seeking out conflict. The pro trump people to my knowledge have had not one incident of attacking people at a Bernie or Hillary rally. They were all incidents where they clashed with anti Trump people at trump rallies. This doesn't excuse this violence, but there is a difference in getting angry on the spot and attacking, versus actively seeking to cause violence.

3. The violence is worse and against people less likely to fight from the anti trump people. I don't recall trump protesters attacking handicap people or horses, or lighting things on fire, or attacking the police.

4. The media/academia/entertainment industry/current administration calls out the violence by Trump supporters anytime it happens, and it becomes a huge story. However, the narrative with the anti trump protesters is that they have been provoked by trump and it is not their fault, and the worst of the violence is glossed over. In fact, the only time this violence was discouraged was at the DNC Nevada convention when it was perceived as against Hillary, and this was a mild case compared to what Trump supporters go through.

5. Sort of connected to 4, the narrative is that these anti trump people are oppressed, and as such they have the right to act out. This is why the violence by the left is escalating all over the US. These anti trump protests, combined with the violence and silencing of conservatives at universities. Just this week we had bomb threats called in to a school to stop conservative speakers. These actions happen, and there is almost no consequence. How many people attacking trump supporters are actually arrested? The more this behavior is ignored, excused or justified, the more bold these people get, because they feel justified. Compare groups such as La Raza or BLM to the KKK, the first two are celebrated and cheered, while the kkk is universally hated.

In fact many of the anti trump protesters are then interviewed by the media and given a platform. Remember the interview CNN had with the guy who rushed trump on stage? Do you think if a man charged Obama he would have been celebrated by the press?

6. Again related, but this problem reminds me of conversations about violent Islamic extremists. Its only a small number of Muslims, maybe around 8% that will commit acts of violence. The problem is the next 50% or so that will make excuses for that violence. "Well, Charlie Hebdo shouldn't have provoked them!" This is the same with the anti trump violence. You are right that it is only a small number of leftists acting like this, but they are emboldened by another large group that justifies or belittles their actions.

7. The last thig I can think of now is the self moral righteousness of these people in the anti trump group. They are all about tolerance and non violence and free speech, yet they will act with violence to silence anyone who disagrees with them. The trump people that were violent to my knowledge never claimed to be nonviolent, or be all inclusive. This hypocrisy is even more enraging.

Gryphon, I applaud you for condemning the violence, but surely you can see that there is a double standard going on in the world. Any group that is seen as oppressed is forgiven or cheered on for their violence.

Even on ATS this occurs. Remember the Next Level BS episode on right wing violence, and how many of owners of that show agreed that BLM was just as bad and they were going to do an episode on that? Well it has been half a year of violence and threats by them and groups like them, and apparently that hasn't been enough ime or material to get that together.

People are getting fed up with these double standards.

a reply to: Tempter

 so how do we stop it?

We can't, things are in play now that no normal citizen can stop or control.
Its been building for decades. Rodney king, Trayvon Martin, The Bundy ranch, Ruby ridge, Waco, the Oregon stand off on and on.

Military training for urban door to door combat in a mock up of smallville USA, Marshall law during Katrina confiscating firearms from people trying to protect their property from looters.

The higher ups want this, they need this, they crave this. It's going to plan because if it wasn't the people would be marching on our masters in high seats and not my neighbor down the road that wants the same thing I want, to live in peace.

a reply to: Swills

But this is the result of Trump and his hateful rhetoric. He's flared emotions so high that the Latino community in Cali has erupted in opposition against him, along with anyone else who doesn't swing right.

Sheer nonsense. The implied point in your statement is that a man manipulated matter with words. That's called sorcery.

No, it's all their fault. They gathered, they protested, and they attacked their fellow countrymen. End of story.

Disgusting behaviour. The left in Sweden has a tendency for violence as well.

I have to wonder though, these people are conservatives, why don't they just bring their guns?

a reply to: TheLaughingGod

Probably because guns are not allowed in any events protected by the Special Service? Also its California we're talking about.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Gryphon66

It's not just "the religious right" by any means. Most members of the RR in this country are not violent. Even asinine displays like Westboro are the fringe exception rather than the rule ... but you have White Supremacists, Militias, Survivalists and Preppers, etc. that seem to evidence a strong thread of paranoia and translate that into violent acts that actually HAVE resulted in deaths and destruction of property.

How is one type of violence better or more understandable than another sort?

Some examples of this "type of violence" you're comparing with the violence displayed here. Is this the time and place to be mentioning survivalists and preppers.

So ... I didn't say what you were trying to claim I said? Fair enough; thanks for the self-correction on your part.

The evidence for DEADLY violence on the Right is not hard to find ...

Incident name (Persons killed in parenthesis following)

2015 Colorado Planned Parenthood Shooting (3)
2015 Charleston Church Shooting (9)
2014 Las Vegas Police Ambush (3)
2014 Kansas Jewish Center Shooting (3)
2014 Blooming Grove Police Shooting (1)
2012 Tri-State Killing Spree (4)
2012 St. John's Parish Police Ambush (2)
2012 Sikh Temple Shooting (6)
2011 FEAR Militia (3)
2010 Carlisle, PA Murder (1)
2010 Austin, TX Plane Attack (1)
2009 Pittsburgh Police Shootings (3)
2009 Holocaust Museum Shooting (1)
2009 George Tiller Assassination (1)
2009 Flores Murders, Pima County, AZ (2)
2009 Brockton, MA Murders (2)
2008 Knoxville, TN Church Shooting (2)

Source

47 or so deaths in the past decade or so. Need more or is the point made?

Considering these are not true christian doctrine followers they arent on the right actually. They are hypocrites. they are off the scale.

Was she pregnant too?, that would have made the story so much more sensational.

Oh!, the children!...

a reply to: Lysergic

....And watching this stuff from a distance in order to stay that way....

originally posted by: hillbilly4rent
a reply to: Tempter

 so how do we stop it?

We can't, things are in play now that no normal citizen can stop or control.
Its been building for decades. Rodney king, Trayvon Martin, The Bundy ranch, Ruby ridge, Waco, the Oregon stand off on and on.

Military training for urban door to door combat in a mock up of smallville USA, Marshall law during Katrina confiscating firearms from people trying to protect their property from looters.

The higher ups want this, they need this, they crave this. It's going to plan because if it wasn't the people would be marching on our masters in high seats and not my neighbor down the road that wants the same thing I want, to live in peace.

And people WILL live in peace, if they are not imposed on by outside forces. I think we need to work on reducing integration of separate cultures. Cultures exist only because they are separated. We also need to reduce federal government because we don't work well being dictated from afar.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Sheer nonsense. The implied point in your statement is that a man manipulated matter with words. That's called sorcery.

That quote is awesome. I am going to steal it.

originally posted by: TheLaughingGod
Disgusting behaviour. The left in Sweden has a tendency for violence as well.

I have to wonder though, these people are conservatives, why don't they just bring their guns?

That's why It wouldn't serve me or them well to go to any rally or any event where I would be attacked....I am a law obeying concealed licensed carrying American.....If I or my loved ones are attacked by an angry mob I protect myself by any means necessary....Needless to say there would be a lot of dead Mexicans on the street if I would have been attacked...maybe even including me as I am MEXICAN.

These people on the video are disgusting people and most likely illegal aliens in the first place. Like someone posted earlier maybe we need boarder patrol and ICE at these events.....Bet it would cut the aliens, I mean "protestors" by 90%.

Ah, all this must be happening in that country which is the paragon of peace, the Divided States of America...no compromise.

Question: Why Trump? What could he possibly bring to the presidential office? He has neither the character nor the personality nor the skill set to be a president. The only way I can see him getting into the White House, is if all the American troglodytes vote for him. You know who you are.

Is it not obvious that he is only stating what you want to hear, but then again, what's the other option...ah yes, a witch who is corrupt damaged goods. Seems to me, America has no relevant or quality representation for president in either camp.

The violence reminds me of the multicultural violence in European immigration. All these ideologies vying for the throne, and when you have such multiplicity, you cannot have so-called peaceful debate.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Lets think about this for a moment.

Perhaps Trump's words are causing all the violence at his rallies.

I mean, if the mob are complete morons and can be manipulated by just a few words uttered, then it is possible.

Of course, the caveat would have to be that the violent mob is made up of such low-IQ individuals that words uttered months ago could trigger such an action(s).

So maybe they are such idiots and moronic individuals that words can cause the effect.

a reply to: Grambler

You said it was more common for trump supporters but all the videos I've seen are from people protesting trump and trump supporters. Will post them when I get home in an hour or so. It was the same with BLM protesters...they claim violence, show a few clips of people injured during the riots (not protests) but yet they were attacking innocent people and reporters even. There is a lot of finger pointing going on from everyone but the bottom line is that no one should be doing it. Protesting is a right, assault is not.

This is beyond disgusting and despicable. Al that libtard/illegal trash is doing, is proving Trump was correct with what he said. This garbage needs to be deported ASAP. Police in riot gear need to be deployed everywhere Trumo speaks in order to protect his supporters.

These rioters are mostly Benrie supporters. If Bernie the commie would win, they would riot to get everything free. Trump needs to be in office to stop this #storm from expanding.

a reply to: elysiumfire

Well there's people spending millions of dollars on these "protests".

Somebody is trembling over Trump.

All the scholars and academics can apply all the "logic" they want and still not get the answers.

a reply to: SomeDumbBroad

No i said it was far more common from the anti trump crowd

a reply to: TechniXcality

I have wanted to start a thread that is a collection of "Anti Trump" people being violent toward rally goers and innocent attendees at these events. There are so many videos now of them assaulting, destroying property, attacking cops, women, yelling at elderly and children....etc..etc.

WHOEVER they are, whatever they come in the name of, they represent the LEFT, be they a Bernie or Hillary supporter. Most have seem to come in the name of Bernie, or Mexican "Liberation" movements, Socialists, or flat out Anarchist Black Bloc agitators.

But this IS...the LEFT.

They are so many videos out now of their aggression that I could make an entire thread with dozens of videos. Versus a FEW which showcase any Trump supporter using violence or being the initial aggressor. It's overwhelming now.

And the most DISGUSTING part of it is, is they are holding signs that talk about 'stopping hate', while the Media STILL claims that the Trump supporters are the violent ones, while as EVIDENCED, that is not the reality.

It's okay, more will come, and it will grow Trump's base, it will garner more support. I believe now is the time to physically 'take one for the team'....and when November comes....when Trump is in office....................

NO MERCY. NOT ONE INCH.

originally posted by: Tarzan the apeman.
a reply to: TechniXcality

Plain and simple these people aren't playing with a full deck. The police did hardly anything to help. Are they being told to stand down? I'm starting to wonder about this whole deal. Something is going to happen to set off a powder keg, and I think that is what someone somewhere wants.

Yep!

Not sure where they are hiding them, but I'll bet money there are already foreign troops holed up somewhere just waiting for orders to go out an shoot without prejudice anyone caught rioting!

Notice Obama AND the Republicans are not saying one word against this rise of violence? Notice how the police stand down and watch someone get their ass beat?

Shame on anyone who condones this violence by putting a spin on it to justify this type of behavior.

I even saw the prepper name tossed around. Guess what! The preppers are already way ahead of those of you who believe allowing this type of behavior to continue is a good thing!

My money is on martial law before the election, then what folks?

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: TechniXcality
a reply to: Gryphon66

Hey now, go whichever direction you want, you are more than welcome here in fact I want you to be here, opposing viewpoints or even just a different perspective are paramount to the free exchange of ideas and actually solving the problems we as a society are facing, I am very riled up yes I've been effected by all this civil unrest and I am looking to lay the blame, I think you make a good point authoritarianism is at the core of political violence.

Thanks. We are both passionate about the truth, and I can appreciate that.

There is no doubt that SOME Sanders' supporters in this election cycle have some similarities with Trump supporters, i.e. many in both groups feel utterly deserted by the American political system. I also have no doubt that there are, as LesMis suggested earlier, professional "instigators" and/or "agitators" that have infiltrated both groups and are intent merely on causing trouble.

I do think the "authoritarian urge: is the key in most of these issues. You bring up BLM, and specifically, some of the violent acts on the part of some BLM members. Whether we agree with them or not, their ostensible reason for their "movement" is due to police violence they feel is directed at members of their community. They respond to violence with violence, not because that will promote any sort of solution but merely because "the cops deserve a taste of their own medicine."

And the cycle continues.

My hope is that what we are seeing in the last six months or so is more of a release of cultural pressure, rather than the trend you're seeing ... cause it can get a lot worse.

You jump through a lot of hoops to excuse this violence.

It's not a new thing. It's not some "cultural release". We've seen this many, many times before across the world throughout history. Violence is the only way they can enforce their ideals onto other people, so they do it. We've seen the same tactics used by ISIS, the Nazis, the USSR, among many others.