THE Flat Earth thread

originally posted by: ConnectDots
a reply to: raymundoko

According to the post above the OP had less than 4 hours. Suppose this person was at work and couldn't respond?

Or, are you saying that once it is an LOL, just pretend everything is normal?

Take a look at this section's topics. There are about 4 flat earth threads near the top. It's not about a slap to the OP, it's a slap to the topic because it's laughably absurd, moreso than usual.

I'm sure anybody could present evidence and the thread could be moved back to another section. The problem is that this evidence doesn't exist, and it's easily verifiable without any Nasa evidence or even any scientific knowledge. All you need is a cell phone and somebody to call in the southern hemisphere.

Ask any flat earther: How is flat earth falsifiable?

Ask them a single thing you could present that could prove to them the earth is round. They won't answer. Because it's a worldview to them, not a scientific theory, not even a hypothesis, just an idea that conflicts with all known evidence that they are emotionally invested in. All photos and live streaming videos from space are fake, but their weather balloon rocket videos that don't get high enough to see the whole earth are the truth. Any evidence you present to them, they just explain away or say they don't know why it's like that. That's why it's laughable. They have nothing to present.

For example the space station that you can view with a telescope. Ask a flat earther, they'll either say it's fake or an illusion. Ask them about Venus passing in front of the sun, ask them about the circular shadow on the moon and what causes it. Ask them about the seasons, or the procession of the constellations caused by the wobble of earth's rotation. They have no explanations for anything contradictory but KNOW for a fact that flat earth is right.

originally posted by: Barcs
There are about 4 flat earth threads near the top.

So, four members got a slap on the hand.

It’s not up to anyone to censor a member because in their opinion the topic is absurd.

As I said before, once the thread goes into LOL, the member has been basically humiliated.

So, arguing that the thread can always be moved again is rather laughable, in my opinion.

a reply to: ConnectDots

If flat earth could be even slightly proven, the threads wouldn't end up in LoL. It can't be proven because it is literally a Ludicrous Online Lie.

It's that simple.

a reply to: ConnectDots

one fact stands out , across all " flat earth " threads - not one of them has a coherent explaination for :

POLARIS

ever wondered why that is ?

the short answer is :

the flat earth delusion = utter bollox

the long answer :

the spheroid model is congruent with all observations of ploaris [ and other cellesctial bodies ] and all measurements done on earth

POLARIS for teh win

originally posted by: ConnectDots

originally posted by: Barcs
There are about 4 flat earth threads near the top.

So, four members got a slap on the hand.

It’s not up to anyone to censor a member because in their opinion the topic is absurd.

As I said before, once the thread goes into LOL, the member has been basically humiliated.

So, arguing that the thread can always be moved again is rather laughable, in my opinion.

It has nothing to do with opinion. You can prove spherical earth 100% without any technology other than a cell phone. It sounds cool, but that's pretty much it. That is not my opinion, it's verified fact, easily verifiable by any flat earther that cares. The topic is trash. Instead of people getting upset about it, they should just post a better topic and move on. I don't find it humiliating in the least. If the poster has a backbone, they won't let it affect them, and perhaps they'll use more scrutiny in the future when making topics. If they had evidence, it would be different, but they don't. A slap on the hand is a moderator giving somebody a warning, not simply moving their thread.

Flat earth is a ludicrous online lie. There's no way around it.

Sorry, double post.

originally posted by: Joecanada11
a reply to: reldra

Yes I agree. However generally we can assume or logically infer a why with other conspiracies. I can't think of any probable reason why people would lie about the earth being flat.

Also the who is a lot of people and to get millions of people to keep the lie going would be a task in and of itself.

Wouldn't need millions at all. Only astronauts and a handful of people involved in the Mission. Would know.

Let's say in theory, originally Copernicus' maths on how we measure the earth and our sun and moon was wrong. And over time it becomes set in stone. So for the next 500 years it's in teachings and schools and textbooks, and all scientists from all types adhere to this "incorrect" maths. And it becomes fact that we live on a sphere while speeding round the sun. Undisputed fact. And It can never and shouldn't be questioned because scientists and textbooks aren't wrong are they?


So. we then create the technology to leave the earth and get a good look around, and to our horror the idea that mankind had for thousands of years held belief that the earth is flat becomes staggeringly apparent. So what do they do? Remember at this point only a handful would probably know about it. Do they announce to the world that our history and our place in the universe is completely wrong? Tell everyone that our historical figures of maths and science are/where wrong? and rewrite history?

No, they, combined with a few other nations inbuilt on this instilled idea of us living on a sphere vow to carry on the sham. And create the Antarctic treaty to stop anyone getting to the edges and discovering the flat earth for themselves. And plus, for the best part of fifty years stopping or thwarting any public space flight whatsoever.

Fast forward to modern day and "the globe" is everywhere. It's in every classroom in the world, it's in magazines, tv, film, Internet, arts, there's no getting away with seeing a globe or a picture of "our round world" at least once a day.

It's perfect. It's so ingrained into us that any notion of a flat earth gets met with mockery and ridicule.

a reply to: thesneakiod

Not really. It's so ingrained into us because it's obvious. There would have to be millions of people involved, if not billions. You can verify it by calling people that live in the other hemisphere and talking about what stars you see or the moon. Trigonometry works, and it is ingrained into us because it is used by architects and engineers all over the world. Everyone that owns a telescope would have to be in on it.

Unless you can explain why folks looking at the southern sky from both South Africa and Chile, see the same stars there is no argument. On a flat earth the continents point in different directions and should see different skies at the same time. This ONLY works on a round model.

a reply to: Barcs


As I said before, what if the maths behind trigonometry, is wrong? Is there a way it can be?

I'm not a flat earther, but I like conspiracies, and if you read and watch enough into it, they have explanations for the solar and lunar eclipses. Plus pretty much everything else.

It's funny, but we're always told that we have to trust our senses in what we see and feel. For the flat earthers, they see the sun going across our sky to a vanishing point, and they don't feel the earths turn. But everyone else has to go against those senses because science dictates it.

originally posted by: thesneakiod
As I said before, what if the maths behind trigonometry, is wrong? Is there a way it can be?

If it were wrong, it would not be applicable in structural engineering, something we rely on in most of modern society. The angles would not add up in cases where we can measure it manually, but it does. Math is pretty much the one thing that can't be wrong. Essentially, it is just advanced counting and measuring. It may not have the explanatory power that science does, but it's like they say; the numbers don't lie.

I'm not a flat earther, but I like conspiracies, and if you read and watch enough into it, they have explanations for the solar and lunar eclipses. Plus pretty much everything else.

Yeah, they have explanations, but they are usually made up and rely on claiming all videos and pictures from space are fake along with all other evidence that gets dismissed without reason. I have not read any good explanations nor have I ever seen the southern sky point refuted, which is pretty much a slam dunk for round earth.

Existence is a cycle. A circle. Life/death. The circle of life. Atoms to galaxies. Everything is cyclical. This might help:

a reply to: Barcs

If the natural state of the earth was flat, why even create a conspiracy to cover it up. It would be like keeping our breathing 70 nitrogen a secret. I do wish the earth was flat. Think of the TV reception you would get and all the broadcast stations!

originally posted by: Barcs

originally posted by: thesneakiod
As I said before, what if the maths behind trigonometry, is wrong? Is there a way it can be?

If it were wrong, it would not be applicable in structural engineering, something we rely on in most of modern society. The angles would not add up in cases where we can measure it manually, but it does. Math is pretty much the one thing that can't be wrong. Essentially, it is just advanced counting and measuring. It may not have the explanatory power that science does, but it's like they say; the numbers don't lie.

I'm not a flat earther, but I like conspiracies, and if you read and watch enough into it, they have explanations for the solar and lunar eclipses. Plus pretty much everything else.

Yeah, they have explanations, but they are usually made up and rely on claiming all videos and pictures from space are fake along with all other evidence that gets dismissed without reason. I have not read any good explanations nor have I ever seen the southern sky point refuted, which is pretty much a slam dunk for round earth.

But they believe the stars circle our earth so wouldn't that be their explanation for the southern sky debunk?

I'm surprised this conspiracy, as crazy as it is, is posted in a section under "lies"

If that's the case over 3/4 of this website should be in the LOL forum.

Werewolves, Royals as shape shifting reptilians, fake moon landings, ufos, ghosts, the existence of god, none of them have any proof whatsoever but they're the main stapes of this site.

Whether you believe in the flat earth theory or not, or whether the science is wrong, it's still, in some people's minds a genuine conspiracy. Showing were they're wrong ( they believe it's all being covered up remember ) isn't gonna change their minds at all.

Cherry picking comes to mind...

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Barcs

If the natural state of the earth was flat, why even create a conspiracy to cover it up. It would be like keeping our breathing 70 nitrogen a secret. I do wish the earth was flat. Think of the TV reception you would get and all the broadcast stations!

Agreed. It makes no sense. Religious leaders all over the world could exploit this truth because it would be evidence to support their universe created by god. Covering it up, makes no sense. It's way easier to control a population that thinks they are special and created in god's image, than people that don't care and do what they want to do in life. It would require WAY too many people to keep a conspiracy like this under wraps, especially with something like 80% of the world leaders being religious.

originally posted by: thesneakiod
But they believe the stars circle our earth so wouldn't that be their explanation for the southern sky debunk?

Maybe you didn't understand the example. Look at the flat earth model, then look at the round earth. On a globe, looking south from both South Africa and southern Chile, you would see the same sky at the same time, only tilted. On a flat earth they point in different cardinal directions, so if somebody from both locations looked at the southern sky at the same time they would be looking at different stars.

The stars closest to cardinal South should be near the middle of the sky from both locations. This is exactly what is observed. For the northern hemisphere we can do the same thing with Polaris and the northern sky. South means much more on a flat earth, however since it literally goes in all directions away from the center (north).

Here are the 2 models: I highlighted the south line of sight angle on both.

Flat earth:


Globe earth:


On a flat earth, how do they see the same sky at the same time?

Whether you believe in the flat earth theory or not, or whether the science is wrong, it's still, in some people's minds a genuine conspiracy. Showing were they're wrong ( they believe it's all being covered up remember ) isn't gonna change their minds at all.

Everything is a conspiracy in somebody's mind. That doesn't make it logical or worthy of discussion when you can use examples like mine above and immediately debunk their flat model. It's kind of like young earth creationism, but way more ridiculous.

Werewolves, Royals as shape shifting reptilians, fake moon landings, ufos, ghosts, the existence of god, none of them have any proof whatsoever but they're the main stapes of this site.

The difference is that people claim to see aliens, ufos, ghosts, god, etc. There are reasons to doubt the moon landings (although most can be explained). Nobody claims to have seen the edge of earth. In fact, nobody that touts this idea has even attempted to take an Antarctica tour which would immediate prove them wrong. They just read some nonsense online and buy it hook line and sinker. These people claim they have been doing research, but aside from propaganda videos, I have not seen an actual ounce of research toward flat earth, just a reference to an experiment in the 1800s that ignores light refraction, and people shooting up cameras in rockets that don't even travel high enough to see the entire earth.

originally posted by: Barcs

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Barcs

If the natural state of the earth was flat, why even create a conspiracy to cover it up. It would be like keeping our breathing 70 nitrogen a secret. I do wish the earth was flat. Think of the TV reception you would get and all the broadcast stations!

Agreed. It makes no sense. Religious leaders all over the world could exploit this truth because it would be evidence to support their universe created by god. Covering it up, makes no sense. It's way easier to control a population that thinks they are special and created in god's image, than people that don't care and do what they want to do in life. It would require WAY too many people to keep a conspiracy like this under wraps, especially with something like 80% of the world leaders being religious.

That's the problem right there. Flat earth or not they do control us, waaay easier to have people fighting against each other(divide and conquer) than having us all lovey dovey. They control us with fear.

And I don't get this needing millions to cover it up. As I said the flat earthers reckon the maths is wrong. So if that's the case, there's no cover up needed. It's plausible deniability. The only people who would really know is those involved with the space program, which is compartmentalised. And to FErs is all a sham anyway...

You've got to remember as well, that there's two fractions of FErs. One group has the flat earth with a dome, like a snow globe, and the sun goes to one end then magically appears were it starts again. And all the stars are just lights on the underside of the dome ceiling. All under gods creation.

The other is a more "scientific" approach. Just flat a earth like a plate, and the sun and moon circle around a few thousand feet above us in a ying and yang pattern. And the stars circle above us hence the polar star always in the center. And it's nothing to do with God either.

Crazy stuff indeed...

a reply to: thesneakiod

Literally, millions of people at minimum would have to be involved, including myself because the pictures I posted above prove that the model is impossible. Is there another flat earth model out there that I am unaware of, where you would indeed view the same southern stars? If they can't explain that blatant discrepancy in how we view the stars from earth, then there really isn't an argument. You don't even need a telescope to verify that one.

They have to have more than "all math is wrong" or "all evidence is fake". The flat earth movement is a troll movement.

a reply to: thesneakiod

Quite the contrary, early scientists who determined the earth was round used their senses to figure it out. They have known this for THOUSANDS of years. Flat earth mythology is a relatively new concept in the grand scheme of things.

Source

It was religolitical (new word) tripe.

a reply to: Barcs

Basic math typically can't be wrong. But as we have seen with the redefining of black holes and GR/SGR advanced math CAN sometimes be wrong in a sense. The math itself was not wrong, but it's application in the real world was and new models had to be created.

For example there is a mathematical model of an earthcentric universe that is totally and absolutely correct from a math standpoint. The problem is empirical evidence does not match the mathematical model.

In this case, the math needed to prove a spherical earth is easily verifiable by real world data. There is no arguing it because the math and process needed can be duplicated by middle school students.