MH17 crash: Victims' families sue Putin and Russia

a reply to: Zaphod58

wel they could had just set the autopilot to crash in the ocean.

They need to be careful or they may actually discover who shot it down ... and may not like what they find.

a reply to: ColdWisdom

Not more MH17 nonsense?
If they had any evidence pointing to Russia or Russian separatists, they would have been shouting it from the rooftops. The only fact in all this that is undeniable, is the fact that the evidence doesn't point to who we are told is responsible by media, who themselves have no evidence at all.

It's a similar situation to the dickhead lawyers who took Iran to court for 9-11 without any evidence of Iranian involvement and found a judge willing to award a multi-billion dollar settlement. More of the same BS and baseless nonsense.

a reply to: Britguy

If they had any evidence pointing to Russia or Russian separatists,

Who else would be able to do that from separatist held territory?

Ukraine wouldn't have been able to get one that far in without being noticed and captured before it could get back out of separatist held territory.

Also know the separatists admitted to having a working BUK system in the same area MH 17 was shot down at the time it was shot down.

Also you should remember that the one they had wasn't from Ukraine as the one's they got from Ukraine were not operational.

There is this little thing that Ukraine had no reason to use the BUK as the separatists aren't flying planes although the Ukrainians were flying them...but for some reason that is forgotten.

Also the criminal investigation is still ongoing...

According to Westerbeke, the investigators have an eye on “a large group of people” who may be responsible for the attack. Only once their role in the attack is clear, and depending on where they are, will a decision be made on the most promising form of prosecution. He warns the survivors that the investigation and prosecution can still take a very long time, referring to the Lockerbie crash which took three years before arrest warrants were issued.

www.nltimes.nl...

That is why they aren't shouting it out from the roof tops.

originally posted by: ColdWisdom
I don't know WTF you all have been reading about MH17 but it's been plainly obvious for over a year now that MH17 was shot down by a surface-to-air missile launched by Russian Separatists. Putin probably didn't order it, and it may have even been an accident. But Putin did arm the separatists with those weapons and the investigation from the wreckage concluded that the plane was downed by a (Russian made) surface-to-air missile. Then the Kremlin published doctored satellite photos showing that the plane was shot down by a Ukrainian fighter jet which they then retracted and have remained silent about ever since.

Seriously, guys. Use your noggins here.

That is a nice statement of the Official Story circulated by the US and NATO on the same day it happened.

Sadly for your position, neither the US & NATO nor yourself have been able to prove that story is true.

Endless repetition of a bald-faced lie does not make that lie come true.

a reply to: Salander

And Russia and the separatists have done nothing to prove they aren't responsible. Instead they have tried to shift blame by presenting fabricated evidence. And let's not forget that Putin tried to cover his *** early on. He said no matter the outcome of the investigation Ukraine should be held responsible since it happened over their country. Doesn't that raise some red flags?

originally posted by: ColdWisdom
I don't know WTF you all have been reading about MH17 but it's been plainly obvious for over a year now that MH17 was shot down by a surface-to-air missile launched by Russian Separatists. Putin probably didn't order it, and it may have even been an accident. But Putin did arm the separatists with those weapons and the investigation from the wreckage concluded that the plane was downed by a (Russian made) surface-to-air missile. Then the Kremlin published doctored satellite photos showing that the plane was shot down by a Ukrainian fighter jet which they then retracted and have remained silent about ever since.

Seriously, guys. Use your noggins here.

So where do You get Your facts? I'm pretty sure You got Your facts from the MSM whom are 100% positive working as the propaganda wing of the powers that be. If You did get your facts from the MSM then maybe You need to use your noggin.

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: DutchMasterChief

This is nothing more than some propaganda BS reminding suckers that Russia is the bad guy.

They annexed Crimea on a lie, they are the one's who started the problems causing the separatist to rebel.

They are supplying the separatists with arms, tanks, training and other supplies, but other than that maybe they aren't so bad...

So how are We any better with our CIA sponsored revolutions all over the world? Our government has viewed Russia as an enemy for a long time and has been making threatening moves for a long time. Do You even wonder why We are putting a missile defense shield around Russia? You do realize the only defense Russia has against western aggression is it's nukes which by placing missile defense shields all around Russia is pretty much an act of aggression.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Noone should've even been flying over a warzone at that point. Whoever shot down the plane can't even be blamed, at least not in the case of mistaken identity.

a reply to: jkm1864

So how are We any better with our CIA sponsored revolutions all over the world?

One word...

Annexation.

We don't annex any country, or part of any country that the CIA are active in...and that makes us better. Remember you asked.

Our government has viewed Russia as an enemy for a long time

And they have the same view towards the US, but we have tried to work with Putin he just refuses to move ahead, while pushing Russia back to it's old ways.

Do You even wonder why We are putting a missile defense shield around Russia?

You do understand they are not for use against Russia, but rogue states such as Korea, or Iran. Russia had the chance to learn about how the shield would work but broke off talks with NATO in 2013, as I think they had to get to work on another plan with Ukraine.

You do realize the only defense Russia has against western aggression is it's nukes which by placing missile defense shields all around Russia is pretty much an act of aggression.

Really, if the missiles were aimed towards Russia you may have something, but the fact that they are not pointed towards Russia shows this isn't an act of aggression towards Russia.

a reply to: jkm1864

Except the missile defense shield can't target ICBMs. So how is it a threat to Russia?

a reply to: DutchMasterChief

Except that the airspace above Ukraine was safe at that altitude as the only thing they had at time wasn't able to shoot down planes that high. It may have been an accident, but those who shot it down and those who supplied the BUK to them should be held responsible...and being as there is only two countries fighting in Ukraine, and Ukraine didn't supply it, and the ones they acquired from them weren't operational where did they get it,and who trained them to use it against Ukraine...Russia did.

Sorry but they are to blame for the shootdown and starting the conflict where this tragedy happened.

There's some real autism going on in this thread. Holy crap. First, there are no Americans involved in this lawsuit so I'm not even sure why anyone would immediately start complaining about America. Obsess much? Second, wow autism...it's so high here. There is direct evidence linking Russian trained and supplied "separatists" (as they like to be called which is basically dumdum code words for Russian special forces) to the location and people responsible for uhhhh shooting down a civilian aircraft. They even had the guys name all over the place. Then, the best part imo, Russia made that extra retarded photoshop with a Ukrainian plane shooting at the civilian aircraft which nobody bought for a second. Finally, they deny sending out of the picture which everyone knew came from them all because they were too cowardly to admit that they shot down a civilian aircraft and killed a bunch of innocent people. That is so screwed up I don't care where you're from. Wtf does that have to do with the US or any other country except Russia and countries the now deceased civilians were from? They have every right to take whatever action they possibly can against the ones responsible for this act. Russia.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

The US made the claim the Russians shot it down, and they've never made the case, never even tried, never presented any evidence at all, just hints and allegations.

Remember that archaic American principle of "innocent until proved guilty"? The US cannot prove its case. In US courts the person charged has no obligation to prove his innocence. That is the system under which I operate. How can the Russians be guilty when the US has not been able to prove them so?

All the evidence shows an airborne attack. This incident is just one more case of US mendacity and efforts towards false flag.

originally posted by: Salander
The US cannot prove its case.

The United States does not have to prove any case, this suit was filed in Australia.

Do people actually read the links before propagandizing?

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

I'm sorry, and you're correct in this instance--it is an Australian case, and only time will tell whether the Australian judicial system has any integrity at all. I'm neutral on that point.

But in the original case, the one brought in the Court Of Public Opinion that is the western mainstream media, the US brought the charges but never attempted to prove them. It never offered any evidence to supports its specious claims.

In the court of public opinion, the US has never made its case beyond allegations that are contradicted by what little evidence we saw.

a reply to: Salander

The 'court of public opinion' has no jurisdiction last time I checked.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Yes and no. That court is quite popular, but its decisions are not binding in any meaningful way.

Consider that for years the court of public opinion held that the earth was the center of the universe.

Binding or not, many governments like to manipulate the court of public opinion for certain nefarious purposes. The MH17 case is a perfect example.

originally posted by: Salander
...but its decisions are not binding in any meaningful way.

Exactly, and this suit has zero to do with the United States.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Except that it is based upon a story completely concocted by the western media and "unnamed sources" (their words) in the US DOD and State Department. I know--I was immersed in that full court press propaganda effort on the evening news almost 2 years ago on the anniversary of TWA800.