MH17 crash: Victims' families sue Putin and Russia

a reply to: Flavian

better to disprove the assertions with contrary evidence than complain about the reputation of sources.

a reply to: paraphi

" All evidence points to a single missile with a fragmentation warhead that blew up in front of the cockpit. "

see that.
thats one of the problems.
" discrepancy between the situation of the rocket in the 3D space as presented in the report, with the actual strike field observed on the fuselage fragments. "

what is the missile doing there, as though its almost passing the cockpit as it detonates.
sounds like the cover for the 30mm a.p. damage
"discrepancy between the conclusion of the zone of the launch of the guided rocket that struck the airliner with the technical characteristics and the working principals of 9M38."

originally posted by: username74
a reply to: Flavian

better to disprove the assertions with contrary evidence than complain about the reputation of sources.

Actually, according to the site ethos, it is down to you to provide credible sources.

a reply to: Flavian

good job i did that then.
i hope you are going to remind the other posters in the thread to maintain the same standards.

originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: Salander
I speculate that 2 aircraft climbed to intercept the airliner, one fired AAM which hit one of the engines, I think left engine from the poor quality video showed by BBC. The other fighter got some real live target practice with the cannon, and clobbered the cockpit.

Talking about making things up. This fantasy about MH-17 being shot down as you are describing is exactly that. Made up. There is no evidence that this happened - that a missile hit an engine and (concurrently) the front of the airliner was peppered with cannon-shot. All evidence points to a single missile with a fragmentation warhead that blew up in front of the cockpit.

No sir, those are the facts. Inconvenient facts for the US and western side, but facts nonetheless. That is why they were quickly taken down by BBC and others.

The cover-up is worse than the crime, and one helluva lot more obvious to the trained eye.

a reply to: Salander

theres an equivalent of the missile explosive test with 30mm ap about 13mins in
www.youtube.com...
instant depressurisation ,

www.bingapis.com...

www.anderweltonline.com... i0.wp.com...

"The Big Question is Who Shot It Down?

The price of gold soared $20 an ounce within minutes of the news."
aun-tv.com...

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originally posted by: Salander
No sir, those are the facts.

Try as I might, I have not found a reliable source for these "facts". Pray tell, where are they? Start with a legitimate analysis of the missile in the engine and then roll on with the cannon fire. Then come up with the evidence that there were two additional aircraft flying in close proximity of MH17. Prove your points.

Otherwise it's all being made up.

a reply to: paraphi

"I have not found a reliable source for these "facts""
define reliable source.
try physical evidence.
provide.
"Otherwise it's all being made up."
rhetoric is insufficient.
grow up.
sources.
or i will give rhetoric in response to rhetoric.

a reply to: paraphi

to clarify, there are many possibilities/combinations.
none of them adhere to official line.
that is the problem.
30 mm armour piercing .

a reply to: Salander

Load AP, lol.
Baaaa....