Charlotte Observer: Girls must overcome ‘discomfort’ of seeing ‘male genitalia’ in locker ro

originally posted by: Gothmog
Another feeble attempt at increasing circulation from a news source (and I use the term very very loosely) whose name is not synonymous with neither truth nor reality. Just numbers and revenue.
Notice how the WP always places stuff in quotes ? It is not because it is a direct quote. It is due to them interjecting stuff (meaning feces) that wasnt there in the first place.

Yes, exactly!

The WP article hypes and sensationalizes the original article.

a reply to: Annee

Liberals enabling pedophiles must be a hobby.
Here's a story for people, tell us how this mythical transsexual pedophile your side claims doesn't exist got caught? Bet some liberals will dismiss it, deny it, denigrate where it happened, blame society and hand out racist tags in fits of rage to everyone who doesn't agree.

Transgender woman James Goebel was caught taking photos of teen girls inside of a woman’s restroom at a Dallas area Target store. One victim, a 13 year old girl, stated that she realized she was being photographed when she heard an iphone camera snapping. She curiously looked under the stall to see the camera phone right in her face. The girl ran out and informed her father, who held the bathroom door shut, trapping Goebel inside until the police arrived.

When they arrived, the searched Goebel’s phone for evidence, and found over 700 photos of young girls in restrooms taken over the course of the last 5 months.

Source

a reply to: TinfoilTP

Transunder Arrest

2nd.

I'm so confused to how we went to women must be protected from sex crazed males by feminist to they got to be naked in the women's locker room when a women is most vulnerable? I thought any repeated behavior after being asked to stop was harassment? If a teen girl feels unsafe because of male intrusion into a looker room? If it's unhealthy to force a girl to look at pictures of naked men, what the hell is this. It's like they want people addicted to porn and perversion?

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
a reply to: Annee

Liberals enabling pedophiles must be a hobby.
Here's a story for people, tell us how this mythical transsexual pedophile your side claims doesn't exist got caught? Bet some liberals will dismiss it, deny it, denigrate where it happened, blame society and hand out racist tags in fits of rage to everyone who doesn't agree.

Transgender woman James Goebel was caught taking photos of teen girls inside of a woman’s restroom at a Dallas area Target store. One victim, a 13 year old girl, stated that she realized she was being photographed when she heard an iphone camera snapping. She curiously looked under the stall to see the camera phone right in her face. The girl ran out and informed her father, who held the bathroom door shut, trapping Goebel inside until the police arrived.

When they arrived, the searched Goebel’s phone for evidence, and found over 700 photos of young girls in restrooms taken over the course of the last 5 months.

Source

Thats One out of how many millions of transgenders? And seems like a set up. THAT story is FAKE. Ill post a link to it.

Transgender woman arrested taking pictures of 13 year old girl FAKE

originally posted by: visitedbythem

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
This Obama bathroom thing is another from the communist playbook.

Oh look, we have communism. Hitler can't be far behind.

Have you ever actually read up on what real communism is?

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AGAIN - - here is what the original article actually says:

But the battle for equality has always been in part about overcoming discomfort – with blacks sharing facilities, with gays sharing marriage – then realizing that it was not nearly so awful as some people imagined.

Its idealisim. It has a proven track record. It doesnt work in the real world. My great grandfather was a card carrying communist. He stabbed another man in a bar in Philly for disagreeing with his political stance

Don't want to distract...but I'm enjoying your personal anecdotes...as well as how you tell them.
Carry on...keep 'em coming.

originally posted by: yuppa
Thats One out of how many millions of transgenders? And seems like a set up. see where this person ends up and how their bank accounts look.

It's a fake story. See my post above yours.

originally posted by: peck420

originally posted by: yuppa
Thats One out of how many millions of transgenders? And seems like a set up. see where this person ends up and how their bank accounts look.

It's a fake story. See my post above yours.

YEah you neeed to write out th elink so we know what were seeing. i fixed it.

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
a reply to: Annee

Liberals enabling pedophiles must be a hobby.

Verses Right Wing and their unfounded paranoia.

a reply to: TinfoilTP

it really does show how desperate an argument is when false stories have to be fabricated to support it.

originally posted by: luthier
This is hilarious to me.. The manufactured outrage.

The social conservatives are blowing this way out of proportion.

As a libertarian conservative I have absolute support in individual liberty.

Individual liberty does not include what you are embarrassed about in public. If nudity is offensive don't change in locker rooms. The YMCA has had unisex changing rooms for a long time. It's not some secret plot to change society. It's the fact that nonreligious people don't find nudity offisive or perverted the same way many religious people do.

The other large issue here is trans people don't look like there birth sex. A trans female in a men's room is a lot more eyebrow raising then if they use the ladies room where obviously nobody will be checking out private parts.

Changing rooms: I have coached highschool wrestling for ten years. I can't say any of the kids use the showers. The school I teach at now doesn't even have them.

If you don't want to say strangers nude don't go to public showers. If you can't avoid it you chances of seeing a trans person waving their jumk around are about zero. A trans female just isn't going to be showing off their male parts if they still have them. It doesn t work that way.

The last thing I will say is my wife has worked in universities and hospitals for almost 20 years. The trans issues and accommodations are nothing new.

Basically we are just allowing human beings to be who they are but the religious right has fabricated an arguement out of this.

Europeans probably think we are nuts. They have had unisex bathrooms for ever. Strange thing is it never increased rape. Nobody freaked out.


This whole situation reminds me.of a dr I just read who said you should never kiss a baby on the lips because it's sexual. I think the real pervert was the one who is uncomfortable with kissing babies and thinks it's sexual (the Dr)

I think the imaginations of sexually repressive thinking has gotten a little overboard.

For you talking about the population size think about your arguement. Laws are often made to protect minorities. Otherwise you end up with two drinking fountains. The whites can outvote the black.. You know that kind of thing.

Let's move on folks. Stop trying to peep on people in public restrooms and if you are one of the last people using public changing rooms and showers in amercia (because yes we are body prudes) don't look.

There are still laws in place that if a dude is walking around your favorite public shower or restroom with his junk out doing something besides showering he is going to get in trouble. Trans people aren't going to be showing off their birth sex organs. Anybody get that?

You have coached high school wrestling for 10 years? Then you must understand the problems associated with MINORS and this issue. We are not talking about adults. How do you propose to square exposure laws that are in place to protect minors? You as a coach are entrusted with the safety of the students you coach. What we are told to get over is a crime. You dealing with children understand they all do not develop at the same time. Why should my child be forced to deal with issues they may not be ready for? We are not talking about health class and discussions of birds and bees we are talking about real life exposure that cannot be undone.
I am very interested to read your response as you are in the education system and deal with minors.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: awareness10

It is strange isn't it that that in order to alleviate the discomfort .3% of the population feels about using the bathroom with the wrong gender, we have to subject that same discomfort on the rest of the population and tell them to "get over it."

To me that statement looks less like a movement seeking equality and more like one seeking revenge for a giant chip on their shoulder and perceived wrongs.

While you're tossing percentages around willy-nilly ... the "rest of us" are basically split on the matter:

Public is Divided Over Transgender Issue - New York Times

While less than a majority, 46 percent of Americans say they think that transgender people should be allowed to use only public restrooms corresponding to their gender at birth. A smaller number, 41 percent, think transgender people should be allowed to use the restroom that matches the gender they identify with.

So, no it's not "0.3% against the rest of us."

And I strongly feel you're well aware of that fact.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
a reply to: Annee

Liberals enabling pedophiles must be a hobby.

Verses Right Wing and their unfounded paranoia.

The only folks that repeatedly and consistently inject these conversations with the possibility of pedophila are certain extremist right-wingers.

I think the source of the "interest" is fairly obvious, the more I read.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
a reply to: Annee

Liberals enabling pedophiles must be a hobby.

Verses Right Wing and their unfounded paranoia.

Do you deny there are laws to protect minors from exposure? Are these laws now bigoted? There is a reason these laws were enacted in the first place. How do you propose to protect minor children?
I am not in any way talking about adults. That is a completely different issue to me.

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: luthier
This is hilarious to me.. The manufactured outrage.

The social conservatives are blowing this way out of proportion.

As a libertarian conservative I have absolute support in individual liberty.

Individual liberty does not include what you are embarrassed about in public. If nudity is offensive don't change in locker rooms. The YMCA has had unisex changing rooms for a long time. It's not some secret plot to change society. It's the fact that nonreligious people don't find nudity offisive or perverted the same way many religious people do.

The other large issue here is trans people don't look like there birth sex. A trans female in a men's room is a lot more eyebrow raising then if they use the ladies room where obviously nobody will be checking out private parts.

Changing rooms: I have coached highschool wrestling for ten years. I can't say any of the kids use the showers. The school I teach at now doesn't even have them.

If you don't want to say strangers nude don't go to public showers. If you can't avoid it you chances of seeing a trans person waving their jumk around are about zero. A trans female just isn't going to be showing off their male parts if they still have them. It doesn t work that way.

The last thing I will say is my wife has worked in universities and hospitals for almost 20 years. The trans issues and accommodations are nothing new.

Basically we are just allowing human beings to be who they are but the religious right has fabricated an arguement out of this.

Europeans probably think we are nuts. They have had unisex bathrooms for ever. Strange thing is it never increased rape. Nobody freaked out.


This whole situation reminds me.of a dr I just read who said you should never kiss a baby on the lips because it's sexual. I think the real pervert was the one who is uncomfortable with kissing babies and thinks it's sexual (the Dr)

I think the imaginations of sexually repressive thinking has gotten a little overboard.

For you talking about the population size think about your arguement. Laws are often made to protect minorities. Otherwise you end up with two drinking fountains. The whites can outvote the black.. You know that kind of thing.

Let's move on folks. Stop trying to peep on people in public restrooms and if you are one of the last people using public changing rooms and showers in amercia (because yes we are body prudes) don't look.

There are still laws in place that if a dude is walking around your favorite public shower or restroom with his junk out doing something besides showering he is going to get in trouble. Trans people aren't going to be showing off their birth sex organs. Anybody get that?

You have coached high school wrestling for 10 years? Then you must understand the problems associated with MINORS and this issue. We are not talking about adults. How do you propose to square exposure laws that are in place to protect minors? You as a coach are entrusted with the safety of the students you coach. What we are told to get over is a crime. You dealing with children understand they all do not develop at the same time. Why should my child be forced to deal with issues they may not be ready for? We are not talking about health class and discussions of birds and bees we are talking about real life exposure that cannot be undone.
I am very interested to read your response as you are in the education system and deal with minors.

First off your a little behind. The laws already exist and a whole precedence has been set by court cases already regarding this issue. If you know how the US legal system works you understand what this means. The discrimination suits using title 9 are pretty easy to find.

Second like I said in the ten years I have coached I have never seen kids use the showers. The ones at the crappy school I teach wrestling havent worked for over five years.

Trans children don't want to advertise they are not their gender identity. They are moving towards becoming the opposite sex. That includes not waving your wand around in the girls room. If someone does they get arrested. You can't simlpy just say you feel like a woman today.

What your talking about includes same sex. If you study psychology for real you would know young women with self esteem issues are also torchered by their own sex during the carried levels of development between children. So maybe having private changing areas for people offended by anything is a simple solution.

Being offended by nudity is more a disorder than a trait to be nurtured. There is a strong link between sexual repression and violence and rape. If you look at a plethora of animal and human studies. Nudity and sexual repression go hand in hand. People so afraid of sexuality make up complete fantasy erotic situations out of things that are not sexual.

Like dudes dressing up like Ms doubtfire so they can rape women in bathrooms.

Sounds like a repressed fantasy to me.

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
a reply to: Annee

Liberals enabling pedophiles must be a hobby.

Verses Right Wing and their unfounded paranoia.

Do you deny there are laws to protect minors from exposure? Are these laws now bigoted? There is a reason these laws were enacted in the first place. How do you propose to protect minor children?
I am not in any way talking about adults. That is a completely different issue to me.

Yeah the laws are antiquated and based on religious dogma in some cases. Children in many even traditional cultures in Europe are around nudity. It doesn't make them pervs. There is a link however with perversion and prudish sexual repression. Not that you can't be cellebate or something. But you need some serious enlightened understanding to convert the mass of desire your pushing down to rear its head later.

a reply to: 5StarOracle
lol

a reply to: luthier

Stunning truth there.

a reply to: TinfoilTP

Should I post some articles of conservative pervs and rapists? You know Ted haggard's and the myriad of upstanding Republican conservatives busted for pedaphelia?k

The problem here is people who are afraid of homosexuals and transgenders are missing theit ability to control the public the way their world view dictates. Now you have to acknowledge the people your superstious views say aren't people exist.

Hey I am all for less gov. Though that govern least governs best, personal liberty, and for refraining from grandstanding and using laws to campaign for your next election. Especially ones that are unenforceable and decide the public.

a reply to: awareness10

Right or wrong, I stand by the opinion that it is complete BS to force the majority to bend over backwards to appease a minority, not just any minority but the smallest of them. If you choose to chop yourself up and take hormones you also are choosing to live with the consequences of that choice. All the SJWs and legislation in world is not going to be able to force 99+% of the rest of the world to just "get over it".