Religious Leaders Off the Rails

Ok, so I'm starting this thread to document some of the more Bat Crap Crazy Moments that are coming from many of the Religious Spokesmen/Women, Celebs, Televangelists, Media Icons, Guru's, etc. Basically anyone who has taken to the media in some form with their Religious Quackery locked and loaded and ready to shoot some unbelievable amount of BS in to anyone's head that might be listening.

To start it off I'll be going with one of the worlds best known Quack Spokesmen for God, Pat Robertson. He has a very special message out there for all you Christians on how we should treat people suffering from addiction. Lets see what truly Divine Wisdom Ol' Pat has on this subject.



Let them Starve to Death!! Wasn't that lovely advice and no doubt answers the age old question of "What would Jesus Do??" Yes Pat, he'd say Let them Starve to Death.

Also it should be noted that the letter from that other very caring Christian woman who brings this subject up, clearly has no empathy or understanding about what she's talking about. She says Heroin Addicts are overdosing near hospitals so they can get saved by Norcan. Now, if that is actually the case I'd say that is a very clear sign that those people need and want help from their addiction but are unable to stop on their own. You see because Norcan blocks opiate receptors meaning it instantly kills your high. Which as any EMT will tell you usually pisses off the addict even though it saved their life. Because after all you just ruined their High.

The thing is, how can anyone not take pity on someone in that condition??? Especially if they are actually shooting up next to a hospital in case they OD. Obviously that is someone who is helplessly locked in a battle for their life. They don't want to die, but cannot kick a habit that they know will kill them so quickly that if they aren't near medical attention their done.

When are we going to honestly address Drug Addiction and those suffering from it as Patients rather than Criminals??? How can anyone who claims to follow Christ or the Christian Message sit on TV and tell people addicts should Starve to Death???

As someone who doesn't really like people in general and who is a cynic about the world, even I have more empathy and sympathy for my fellow man than that.

So let's hear it from our Great Christian Teacher Pat Robertson and his message of Caring for each other. Now let's pray.....

a reply to: mOjOm

I keep wondering why on Earth Robertson is still on the air. He's increasingly addled frankly. He spouts absolute nonsense and cloaks it in faux-religious rubbish. Are they that desperate for ratings and cash?

If you think Pat Robertson represents mainline Christian thought, then I'm not sure who's more deluded--him or you.

a reply to: AngryCymraeg

I also wonder that myself. One thing for sure though is he's not strapped for cash. The only thing I can figure is that with guys like him, ya know cult leaders and such, it must be an addiction to the power you have over others and the constant stimulation of the ego.

It's pretty clear that he just loves the fact that people ask his advice and he has no problem at all being in that false position of authority. He's always going on about how God told him this or that regardless of how insane and incorrect it is. With Ol' Pat I actually think he believes in the BS he's saying though. I can't say that for all of them, but usually I get the impression that even he has fallen prey to his own marketing lies. For that I almost feel sorry for him in light of the other things he's done. Almost.

a reply to: mOjOm

'Drug addicts should be left to starve to death'

Sounds like the words of someone well-versed in addiction therapy NOT

Claims to be Christian, yet lacks understanding on important principles like compassion, forgiveness, NOT passing judgment, the list goes on and on and on. Screw this guy!

Don't forget the warning to be cautious of items purchased at thrift stores. According to Mr. Robertson, they could come with spirits attached to them.

Not the most uncaring thing he's said, but it's way up there near the front of the Crazy Train.

originally posted by: NthOther
If you think Pat Robertson represents mainline Christian thought, then I'm not sure who's more deluded--him or you.

I never said he did represent mainstream Christian thought. He's is watched by a lot of people and he does have a lot of influence within the official ranks of Christianity though. Plus he's one of the most well known voices for Mainstream Christianity as well.

In your opinion who does represent Mainstream Christian thought today??? Being a non-christian myself I wouldn't know who the big names in the religion are today. Especially not at the more personal level.

Insanity sanctioned by culture.

a reply to: mOjOm

I came into this thread thinking it would be about the Pope who is a complete loon, but Robertson? He is old news and no one listens to him anyway.

originally posted by: NthOther
If you think Pat Robertson represents mainline Christian thought, then I'm not sure who's more deluded--him or you.

I'm not so sure about that. Sure, Christianity used to be all about compassion, forgiveness and NOT passing judgment, as FamCor stated, but since Christianity became political in the US and adopted the principles of the Republican party, they have become the antithesis of compassion and understanding and have taken up the job of religious Judge and Jury and in some cases, executioner as well.

Pat Robertson is whacked, though. Still, a lot of people who call themselves Christians "follow" him...

that's my favorite one...
just move to saudi arabia if your wife is giving your problems...

a reply to: NthOther

Who does represent mainstream Christian thought? The guy quoted scripture, it's the ugly truth people don't want to admit that there ugly ideologies have scriptural and doctrinal support. It's the case with Christians and with Muslims and beyond.

a reply to: Metallicus

Nope, no news on the Pope yet. But give it time. I'm just getting started. There are so many more to include. Also remember that they don't all have to be Big Famous Names or Pope's or anything. Any Religious Nut is fair game here. From your local Islamic Terrorist, to the Friendly Mormon Guy with 10 wives young enough to be his daughter, to Theo Shoebat, they are all welcome here as long as they're saying something unbelievably stupid. Which is pretty often IMO.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

This is an interesting question, but it likely has no answer.

The Christian religion has so many denominations, sects and sub-sects you would never get a real answer as to who represents whom. I think that is one of the fatal flaws with all religions.

A persons relationship with God doesn't require dogma.

originally posted by: TechniXcality
a reply to: NthOther

Who does represent mainstream Christian thought? The guy quoted scripture, it's the ugly truth people don't want to admit that there ugly ideologies have scriptural and doctrinal support. It's the case with Christians and with Muslims and beyond.

But if that's true, how does Pope Francis read the same scripture and have a totally opposite interpretation? He has upset the Religious Right many times with his opinions.

Pat Robertson and the Religious Right have a nasty, uncaring mindset and use scripture to justify it.

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: mOjOm

I came into this thread thinking it would be about the Pope who is a complete loon, but Robertson? He is old news and no one listens to him anyway.

Same here. I was thinking Pope and Mega Church pastors ... the NWO guys.

originally posted by: ketsuko

Same here. I was thinking Pope and Mega Church pastors ... the NWO guys.

What did the pope do or say recently that has you guys all wound up exactly??? I must have missed it.

Who are the Mega Church pastors you're talking about??? Like Creflo Dollar or somebody like that??

a reply to: Cheddarhead

To other denominations Catholics are engaging in apostasy by allowing a man to rise to the level of God, or to make decrees outside of scripture, essentially they also consider praying to other "saints" as idol worship and have scriptural support for that, there is a lot of nuance to be understood. The pope can say whatever he wants, that doesn't change the scripture, but then again this is coming from a church that prefers to read in Latin rather then actually reading the bible in an understanding and coherent way.

NOT passing judgment

If I'm not allowed to judge, does that mean I can go out and murder people? After all, true Christians won't judge me and I am not supposed to judge myself ... right?

Seriously, this whole don't judge thing has been taken to ridiculous extremes. We are absolutely to judge. Go re-read the Sermon on the Mount. If we are not to judge, how can we know if we are breaking commandments or not (Matthew 5:19)? And Matthew 5:21-25 addresses murder and judgment and even references the fires of hell! Then He goes right to tell you what you should do in case of adultery AND divorce which He says also leads to adultery ... that also takes judgment. And how can we tell if the people who are praying and giving to the needy are being ostentatious and hypocritical about it ... unless, yep, we are able to judge? Again these are thing He told us (Matthew 6:1-8). Oh, and add in fasting to that last bit; its section follows the previous two.

Then He gets around to not judging. But it boils down to a lot of "don't be a hypocrite." In other words, don't do as I say, not as I do. If someone tells you not to have an affair or judges you harshly for having one, they better not be over there having an affair of their own.

“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

Matthew 7:1-5

And that's a lot of what this means. At no time are you supposed to see something being done that is wrong and not take action. When that happens, we get this:



or this:



But people are not judging, and during His day, this happened with the parable of the Good Samaritan too. People didn't judge and didn't get involved and walked on by.

Anyhow, then He goes on to talk about true and false prophets. If we are not to judge, how may we discern them? Are we allowed to judge their fruit? Wouldn't that be judgmental? Aren't you here making judgments about a lot of people right now? So shouldn't we go back to that bit about removing the mote in thine own eye?

Anyhow, I guess my point is that all of life to one degree or other is judgment based. Do you want to wear blue or yellow today? Should eat pancakes or waffles?

So can anyone enlighten me on why some members are calling the pope a complete loon and seem to find him to be so unbelievably crazy and un-popeish recently???