EgyptAir flight from Paris to Cairo has vanished from Radar

Hey Zaphod,

Any word on MS804 CVR/FDR's?

I know they got shipped to France, but just wondering if you'd heard any more.

edit...I imagine it will take some time, but just curious.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Been kind of busy with getting work stuff situated and getting stuff ready to move in to our new place so haven't been keeping up with everything.

French investigators have said there is no evidence the crash was terror related, but prosecutors have opened a manslaughter investigation. The inquiry is currently an accident investigation, but prosecutors say that may change if new information comes in. The memory units from the recorders arrived in France today.

www.independent.co.uk...

a reply to: Zaphod58

Why & who would they charge with manslaughter?

a reply to: ColdWisdom

If it was human error, then whoever was involved could potentially be charged. If it does turn out to be an accident, there's a good chance someone missed something during a check, or something wasn't installed properly.

How many in the cockpit at one time on that flight. 2? 3?

a reply to: Soloprotocol

Two. If the flight is long enough there is a relief crew on board, and 3-4 during changeover.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Soloprotocol

Two. If the flight is long enough there is a relief crew on board, and 3-4 during changeover.

Theoretically one could have went for a sleep whilst the other nose dived or took a heart attack then.?

a reply to: Soloprotocol

Possibly, but the way the aircraft descended, unlikely. It didn't just dive straight down, it turned 90 degrees, then back around, then went into a descent like they were dealing with an emergency situation. When EgyptAir 990 was deliberately crashed, it pushed over and went straight down, then back up, then dove again. Same with Germanwings. We don't see anything like that here.

Preliminary repairs to the Flight Data Recorder are done. They expect to have final repairs complete tomorrow morning. It appears that the data is intact and will be able to be recovered. They're still working on the Cockpit Voice Recorder. The recorders will be sent back to Egypt for final analysis.

a reply to: Zaphod58

my computer was down for a couple of days...thanks for the update!

And just to be the devil's advocate, there's no evidence the crash was not terror related either. That's just a feel-good statement by the French in the absence of hard evidence. Because there's no evidence whatsoever as to causation of the crash right now...one way or the other. It's like a "partly sunny vs. partly cloudy" weather forecast.

The FDR has been repaired and is back in Cairo. Work on the CVR is ongoing.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

And just to be the devil's advocate, there's no evidence the crash was not terror related either. That's just a feel-good statement by the French in the absence of hard evidence.

Using your logic:
There's no evidence that ET did not crash the plane.
There's no evidence that a missile didn't shoot down the plane.
There's no evidence that a meteorite didn't hit the plane.

You are starting with a conclusion and trying to eliminate it.
That's not how investigations work.

It's like a "partly sunny vs. partly cloudy" weather forecast.

No it's not.
In your weather forecast you are assuming there will be clouds.
In an investigation you do not assume there is a certain piece of evidence.
You look for evidence.

a reply to: samkent

Awesome...just...awesome!!

LOL!!

The totally funny part is...you're right! ET might have crashed it; ET might have launched a missile that crashed it. Heck, ET might have even launched a missile which hit meteorite which then came down and crashed it.

Yep, there's as much proof as any one of those things as there is anything else.

Again...awesome! [/extreme sarcasm]

Ummm...I'm pretty sure I understand how aviation investigations work. I might work just a wee bit in the sector! LOL! So to, do I understand how politics and the media work.

Do you?

P.S. Enjoy the weather...it's a really nice partly sunny day!

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Cripes! Now they are doing Schrodinger's Cat with a crashed plane.

Egypt is planning to rebuild at least part of the aircraft.

The FDR stopped recording at 37,000 feet when the accident occurred. The preliminary data confirmed smoke on board. Recovered wreckage is consistent with a high temperature incident indicating fire on board.

www.reuters.com...

I'm rather curious what they will find on the CVR.

a reply to: earthling42

They haven't said much about that, other than they're still working on it. It sounds like the salt and impact did a number on them, so they're having to do a lot of work on repairs.