Music and mind control (illuminati)

I dont know about you but i sometimes hear music and think hmmm

Where is this music going?

That's if am alert...

If not, I find myself thinking the more unfortunate question of "where has this music taken me"...

The answer is probably tied up deep in the realms of psychology pertaining to the collective subconscious. An area so complex, few have the capacity or insight to explore... but some do.. and the question I find myself asking sometimes when i hear certain kinds of music is are the people who make this music intentionally manufacturing a certain kind of experience based explicitly on a deep understanding of human psychology, that keeps people contained in a particular emotional state, so as to be controlled... is the experience a form of mind control? And if so, is it a widely practised conspiracy, spanning different genres and cultures?

Thoughts?



PS I love music, and I love people who make good music, so it actually hurts me a lot to think and say these things, but I also feel compelled to ask these kinds of questions, because its also important not to be naive about these things.

maybe its a case of good music vs a simple mind?

cant it just be an intelligent musician?

a reply to: Rikku

After re reading my thread, I get why you asked that, so I amended my question, to make it more clear where Im coming from with this.

the rabbit hole goes quite deep on this my friend..

topics and people to research: mark delvin, killuminati with professor griff, 432 vs 440hz, hypnotic tones and sycopations, occult music and ceremonies who play music in reverse, ex-masonic/illuminati members interviews- from the 80's-90's like Bill Cooper and there's another one who i forget the name, but he worked in the music industry and has many ugly truths about it all..

just another form of manipulation in the form of commercial music that tries to keep the masses swimming in lower vibrations, values and frequencies.. many of the artists are either unaware of their contributions to this, or they're forced to do certain things, songs, videos, and such by their record contracts..

note- there are tons of not really well done, over-dramatic videos on youtube under the search illuminati music industry.. try to mix some of that with actual researchers or people in the know on this subject... good luck

yes it seem that mainstream music is the way it is for some reason.
But on the other hand, it fits nicely within shallow modern society that we have become
...as long as it sells money?
It could be just that...

And also it is known that for instance classical or instrumental music can have very beneficial effects on people or animals, maybe even plants...why is this not talked about or researched more?
Why is such music not more in the front with its positive effects...

wired and suspicious to say the least...

a reply to: AwakenYaMind

your post contains a lot interesting of keywords,
especially 432 vs 440hz is very interesting for me and it is a thread on ats about it already...
Apparently this seem to be also natural frequency of earth with healing or beneficial properties...
attunedvibrations.com...

a reply to: AwakenYaMind

Ok, thanks for the leads, they look interesting and I do wish to explore them...

But im still kind of touching base with the idea, and the possability that there are actually people out there doing this.
Im not so interested in the who what where & when... I have intuition about that already based on direct experience with the music itself... What im more interested in is the big why...

i know... it sounds a bit like im asking "why is life so unfair" lol


but no, thats not what im asking. Im coming at this more from a spiritual / existential point of view... because to me, some music feels quite... wieldy... now... to what end I wonder, has that music been manufactured in terms of its psychological impact in the minds of the suggestible and easily misled masses.

Once the possability begins to arise in ones mind that there may be something really going on here, all kinds of questions begin to arise...
For example I asked "whats the end-game" ...

But then something more profound occured to me, there might not be an end-game.


i dont know, my smartest friends say i think too much.

a reply to: 0hlord

Check out the solfeggio frequency.. Also i used to listen with headphones once, to discover that it had the same effect on my head that mobile phones: felt my brain warm up. I ended up throwing them away. They are # and i'm sure there are safety concerns like every electronics actually. But deniers will deny coz they dont have the guts to give up their addiction to technology and pointless comfort.

a reply to: _damon

hmm solfeggio frequencies sound very interesting.
I will check some out.

I use a Denon amplifier and large satellite speakers in my room to listen to music. Nothing less hits the spot (or drowns out the noise of traffic outside - which incidentally is why i sometimes listen to so much music) especially not headphones.

I dont know about safety concerns from larger systems, but I was never a big fan of headphones either.

This always sounds GREAT!!!

www.youtube.com...

a reply to: JimNasium
HA HAHA
Much appreciated

a reply to: 0hlord

thank you for your thoughts..

i feel music quite spiritually too and your intuition is indeed telling you something's not right, which is unfortunately the reality of this issue..

i don't necessarily consider the music aspect to have an end game from the dark side, it's just another distraction like TV; the screen projects alpha waves which are not good for us, similar to certain rhythms in 'manufactured' music, as well as it being recorded in 440hz instead of 432hz.. tv is full of materialistic low values and feeds the ego with endless hours for anyone to waste their time with- similar to 'manufactured' music..

ever notice a song that you hear once or twice- even just a snippet, and it just gets stuck in your head like a broken record? that's sometimes by design, not always from the 'dark side' tho..

if your thoughts serve you well, then it's not a bad thing to think too much- i do the same, just gotta avoid overdosing on thoughts

and yes, the solfeggio frequency, binaural beats and other healing tones can have some real good benefits.. i mixed in a cool frequency in this mix i made a while ago..

a reply to: UniFinity

yes! exactly! gotta stay more in tune with them earth vibes... thanks

a reply to: 0hlord

Do you have specific artists/songs in mind?

a reply to: AwakenYaMind

hmm it seems music is flow..
like water
and some music seems to carry you downstream as in white water rapids...
sometimes there are whirpools.....

some music is pure ambience, and its up to you to either float along or swim...
i like ambience, but i also like the rapids on occasion...

I just hate the whirpools, or the rapids that take you out to a waterfall edge...

perhaps thats the best analogy for the hypnotising music...
its designed to take people to the edge (edge of senselessness) where they are either pulled to safety or thrown over the cliff...


hmm, i think i might be getting to the bottom of the motives here... leading people over the edge (death / insanity) or taking people down downward spirals (depression, hopelessness, sorrow etc)


or something like that anyway... i dont know man its 2am

originally posted by: MiddleInitial
a reply to: 0hlord

Do you have specific artists/songs in mind?

you know when you end up in weird places on youtube...

that happens to me on soundcloud

a reply to: AwakenYaMind

Yep, indeed Mark Devlin is worth a look - I thought he was the "there's another one who i forget the name, but he worked in the music industry and has many ugly truths about it all.. ". I am curious to know who that other one is.

Here is a link to a long video of Mr Devlin talking about the music industry if anyone has the time and is interested.



ETA

The other night I watched a documentary about the career of Public Enemy (awesome band), and half way through they talked about how rap/hip-hop was taken over by the industry when they were at their height. Suddenly in the late 80s and 90s rap lost its way and was all about hos, b*tches, cars, bling etc as opposed to the social reflections and commentaries that it had been on society.

So yes, the music industry is certainly used for an ulterior agenda, what that is I am not sure.

originally posted by: AwakenYaMind
a reply to: 0hlord

the screen projects alpha waves which are not good for us, similar to certain rhythms in 'manufactured' music...

as well as it being recorded in 440hz instead of 432hz...

ever notice a song that you hear once or twice- even just a snippet, and it just gets stuck in your head like a broken record? that's sometimes by design...

For your first claim, are you saying that certain rhythms project alpha waves similarly to a TV screen, or that certain rhythms are bad for us, similarly to alpha waves from a TV screen? What rhythms are you specifically referring to?

As to you second claim, do you have a source that confirms the superiority of 432 Hz vs. 440 Hz music? I've been researching the topic for several years off and on, but it is highly likely you've read something that I haven't.

Regarding your third claim, this is known as the earworm effect. I would argue that songwriters and producers always design their songs with maximum "staying power" in mind (which explains why the term "hook" came into usage in that field).

a reply to: MiddleInitial

about the 432 vs 440 thing... whos to say 440 is not sacred? I remember watching or reading somewhere that it is just as sacred as 432, its just different.

a reply to: 0hlord

haha, i like your analogy.. yea, i can't call it 100% either, but, like yourself, i've felt peculiar vibes with certain commercial music..

haha, it's almost 4:20am for me over here

a reply to: 0hlord

I think you are on to something here. Lots of artists use music, lyrics, tones, delivery and so on to communicate very specific ideas.I know that personally give LOTS of thought to my lyrics especially, but also to their overall delivery and presentation, and how it works with or against the music to produce a desired "effect" or reaction.

One rudimentary example would be the use of a slower vocal / lyrical delivery, over a faster beat / sequence of chords and notes, and vice versa. Another key I have found is the use of fairly conventional or poppy hooks, with lyrics that contain double or even triple meanings. In those cases, a listener may find themselves singing along (in the moment) to something they only really understand later on. My theory is that these devices help penetrate the outer shell of conscious awareness or bias, in order to plant deeper seeds which may ripen down the road. Something like the number of beats per measure, or beats per minute is also very affecting, for obvious reasons.

Of course, I don't work in and around the mainstream or "pop" music machine, so my observations are biased towards a more alternative approach. I also enjoy subverting traditional power structures because I am not beholden to them, and I critique them at length because I owe them nothing.

That said -- I can see no reason why mainstream or pop artists wouldn't do the same. In fact -- I am certain they probably do. I think the real question is, "is it effective?" or "does anyone really get it?" All of this merely scratches the surface of what a songwriter can do with composition. Once you start manipulating sound frequencies in certain ways you start to see that -- songwriting aside -- the production of a finished work is also communicating a message of sorts to the listener, as a separate thing entirely from the content of the music or lyrics and the performance.

Finally -- there is definitely an interest in both the pop and alternative music genres in the imagery of con-theory, secret societies, transhumanism, and the battle between opposing elemental forces; -- dark / light, good / evil, angel / devil, and so on. Some artists explore these dichotomies from a place of genuine interest, or to ask genuine questions, while others use popular (edgy) content in a very shallow or superficial way, in an effort to "give the people what they want," in spite of their own beliefs or interests.

It is those kinds of artists, in general, and mere singers of other peoples songs in particular, who run the risk of mental breakdown or spiritual infestation when they dabble in various occult strategies and tricks. If you aren't in sync with your own message, you cannot maintain a sense of balance or congruity in your presentation, let alone your actual life, outside of performing. This disharmony is, as far as I can tell -- the root of most of the churn in the pop / performer world, as most normal human beings cannot maintain a clinical detachment from their art while simultaneously living a pretense of passion, belief or intention.

I suspect the same thing eats at and often kills actors as well, if they aren't very careful to return completely to "known space" once their time as a particular character is through.