Archons, Heaven and Reincarnation

a reply to: yosako

It does sound a lot like Xanadu - thanks for the observation! Xanadu Card - Illuminati Card Game

originally posted by: blueman12
a reply to: FamCore

I would assume that you would be free to go. Heaven was only created for a sale. The sale is no longer possible and heaven is no longer needed.

HOWEVER, I believe that you are not your human self in the afterlife. You are a soul, or consciousness. You are not your personality. You are not your human mind. Therfor, knowing that this afterlife is an illusion requires immense awareness.

Maybe that is where "enlightenment" comes in. One can see past the illusion of life and death. Wether human or pure consciousness.

This is all pure speculation though. Itd be better to ask a "buddha" about this

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You ARE yourself, but you are your TRUE self with no ego. Its a wonderful self, no misery, judgments, hate. Your Karma, whether good or bad, is attached to you as well, so that is why you want good Karma, no bad. I don't want to talk about what happens on the other side when you have bad...scary. Your are then reborn into a new body and your past passions and karma are with you.

a reply to: veracity

Why do you believe in karma? Ive heard buddhists speak of it, and ive heard an enlightend man say there is no real karama.

Why choose to live a life with karma? Why would we carry baggage to a new life?

Is karma just the eastern equivelant of Heaven and Hell? A religious way of encouraging good behavior.

a reply to: cooperton

Exactly. It is about making your soul light, having no energetic entanglement and being free of fear and guilt.
You can be a pagan, a Christian a muslim etc but whether you use the tools of Devotion, Mysticism, Magick, Astral Projection, if you use your tools right, you will free your soul from the wheel of samsara and rebirth. It won't happen this incarnation most likely, but it will happen eventually. It's simple physics. Good luck all and stay joyful. Recognise too that there is a proper function for the negative, this is not all fairies and light. Both poles have to be experienced fully in order to rise above them.

a reply to: FamCore

That's interesting. Does anybody give merit to the game's creator? Do people consider him a possible secret society insider? Or is it just a game based on a collection of conspiracy theories? Either way, still interesting.

originally posted by: blueman12
a reply to: veracity

Why do you believe in karma? Ive heard buddhists speak of it, and ive heard an enlightend man say there is no real karama.

Why choose to live a life with karma? Why would we carry baggage to a new life?

Is karma just the eastern equivelant of Heaven and Hell? A religious way of encouraging good behavior.

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Behind "the light" there were the "enlightened" ones of the compass and square! If that's what "the light" is, it's no wonder why Earth has been such a screwup.

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In that NDE she saw her future husband plus an illness he would go through aka scripted life - manipulation!

"Is karma just the eastern equivelant of Heaven and Hell? A religious way of encouraging good behavior. "



Yeeeeahhh...I guess its sort of like that, to me at least. However, its real.


"Why choose to live a life with karma? Why would we carry baggage to a new life? "

We don't have a choice, we have to carry our baggage

originally posted by: blueman12
a reply to: FamCore

HOWEVER, I believe that you are not your human self in the afterlife. You are a soul, or consciousness. You are not your personality. You are not your human mind. Therfor, knowing that this afterlife is an illusion requires immense awareness.

Personally I have always thought that this was the case. I believe when we are between worlds we are at our weakest and most vulnerable state, possibly because of restrictions imposed upon us. While I am an avid believer in an afterlife in whatever shape or form that comes, I also have a great deal of suspicion around it and whether these beings that appear as religious icons, lost family members or loved ones have our best interests at heart. Sounds very cloak and dagger to me...

originally posted by: chris_stibrany
a reply to: cooperton

Exactly. It is about making your soul light, having no energetic entanglement and being free of fear and guilt.
You can be a pagan, a Christian a muslim etc but whether you use the tools of Devotion, Mysticism, Magick, Astral Projection, if you use your tools right, you will free your soul from the wheel of samsara and rebirth. It won't happen this incarnation most likely, but it will happen eventually. It's simple physics. Good luck all and stay joyful. Recognise too that there is a proper function for the negative, this is not all fairies and light. Both poles have to be experienced fully in order to rise above them.

Probably it's in anyone's best interest to completely ditch such "toolkit".

there are two different views some are confused about in my opinion!

one is relative and other absolute.

relative view is from human perspective and all other beings in samsara,
but from fully self realized being there is no such thing as karma or samsara or nirvana.
And in his view, this reality is only a dream, an illusion.

So when reading spiritual scriptures,
one must always keep that in mind and try to pierce deeper,
into their true meaning with insight, meditation and contemplation.

There is a path for each one of us,
nature and universe and us are not separated.
But it takes a few certain qualities and virtues that must be cultivated
with "spiritual" or natural way of altruistic living with compassion for all beings
to get to this clarity and full self realization.

And that is also sure way out of clutches from archons.
And as far as all different heavens are concerned,
in my opinion they are not perfect and
beings in heaven are still suffering from desires.

That is my current view : )

originally posted by: veracity

"Is karma just the eastern equivelant of Heaven and Hell? A religious way of encouraging good behavior. "

Yeeeeahhh...I guess its sort of like that, to me at least. However, its real.


"Why choose to live a life with karma? Why would we carry baggage to a new life? "

We don't have a choice, we have to carry our baggage

And neither you do need a "choice"; you need to completely FIX whatever was causing the baggage in the first place!

originally posted by: yosako

Probably the best is to completely ditch such "toolkit".

Paradoxically, there is a tool in the Buddhist toolkit called "Prajnaparamita", which claims the last step unto self-realization (enlightenment) is the abandonment of all your others tools (concepts, beliefs, etc)

originally posted by: chris_stibrany
a reply to: cooperton
It won't happen this incarnation most likely, but it will happen eventually.

What better incarnation than this? What better time than now?

a reply to: yosako

"tools" mean the decisions you make, how you choose play the cards you were handed...you can't ditch it.

a reply to: yosako

YES! That is why we are put in these earthsuites...to right our wrongs.

a reply to: blueman12
How strange, I just left this video:

Boy is Reincarnated WW2 Pilot

originally posted by: veracity
a reply to: yosako

YES! That is why we are put in these earthsuites...to right our wrongs.

I'd like to know what "our wrongs" supposedly are.
Oh wait, there might not be any, and those who are wrong are they which think people need "correction", all while ensuring people are "kept in the dark" by throwing in confusion and BS at any chance they get.

a reply to: yosako

I read a book on reincarnation and they listed some "wrongs" and how they are "fixed" in the next life...very interesting.

For example, someone who has issues with many types of foods and cannot eat or enjoy food may have in a past life been a member of a royal court and was very fat and gluttonous.

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: yosako

Probably the best is to completely ditch such "toolkit".

Paradoxically, there is a tool in the Buddhist toolkit called "Prajnaparamita", which claims the last step unto self-realization (enlightenment) is the abandonment of all your others tools (concepts, beliefs, etc)

originally posted by: chris_stibrany
a reply to: cooperton
It won't happen this incarnation most likely, but it will happen eventually.

What better incarnation than this? What better time than now?

Exactly Coopertoni! The final tool, is no tools! "look Ma! No hands!"
Everyone, even a master yogi like Jesus, needs tools, until they finally reach that last stage and can do it on their own. No one starts from scratch.

And of course what better time is now is a very catchy phrase, but that doesn't mean you are going to be able to become enlightened 'right now.' I mean, it's possible but highly unlikely. It's about the struggle even more than the result.

a reply to: blueman12

What if only some people reincarnate due to special circumstances only while most people stay in heaven?

a reply to: starwarsisreal

I don't know the exact specifics, but once you reach a certain level...enlightenment or something, you can choose to come back or not.

Until then you don't have a choice and you must be reborn.