Archons, Heaven and Reincarnation

Not sure if this is the right area, but here it goes:

Is heaven merly an illusion during the process of the afterlife? There have been many people who have claimed to remember past lives. There have also been many who claimed to have visited heaven. To have seen a beautiful and good-feeling place.

This could all be hullicinations of the mind during high anxiety life-or-death situations. However, maybe some of it could be true...

Is it possible that we are being told a lie in the afterlife?

The theory is that when we die, we arrive at a heaven or "afterlife". It is a beautiful place and we are met by an entity(s) that appear very nice. They convice us that reincarnation on earth is what we need to do. It's our divine purpose. They or It (in whatever presentation) are God, and knows what is best. We are free willed beings and must CHOOSE this. We are being persuaded into earthy reincarnation.

However, this is all a lie. This is for the benifit of _____ entities. Or "archons". They feed off of us in a seemingly negative way. They are the ultimate reason why earth is in a constant flux of suffering and peace. They feed off the pendulum opposing poles. The energetic flux between suffering and relief. Humans will often do this by themselves. However, archons ensure the constant struggle.

They need souls to inhabit their controled environment to feed off of. Souls have free will and cannot be truely forced into enslaved reincarnation. They can only be tricked.

At least, that is the theory.

Any thoughts about this would be nice.

a reply to: blueman12
S+F because it is very possible.

'Monster Inc' films show them as the monsters that feed off fear.

The film 'The Matrix' shows them as the machines that feed off the electricity created in their hell-hole illusion.

Ethereal spiders, dark men with hats, shades that feed off people paralyzed in their sleep are other examples.

Doom Porn is also another mechanism they manufacture to create fear to feed off.

a reply to: blueman12

So if we "choose" not to reincarnate, we get to stay in the "heaven" place with the lying God entity? What would be the point?

The archons/Satan are like salesmen. They try to get you to sell out for the cheapest cost. Many sell out for simply the basic necessities of having food and shelter - this is why food was Jesus's first temptation. As you refuse to accept such a lie as reality, you are offered more power from the archons, as long as it distracts you from Moksha (liberation from their game). Both Buddha and Jesus were tempted on their way to such spiritual liberation. Mara, a.k.a. archons, tried to seduce Buddha and distract him with marvelous beauty. Similarly, Jesus was tempted with rulership of the world as Satan's last attempt to divert his Spiritual progress.

a reply to: Rapha

Well, the "dark men with hats" may just be negative entities. Or even just a product of the mind. However, im leaning towards entities because others have experianced others who experianced the same dark figuare in the same room. I'm not sure that these entities are anything more than negative parasites. Archons seem like they would be in power of the large scale "matrix" of our earthly reality. BUT, that is just my guesses. The "dark men with hats" seem on the level of "demons" or maybe in a class of emotional parasites. I just don't see personal parasites as "controlers of the matrix".

Maybe entities like "Yahweh","Allah", and other Gods are simply appearances of these "Archons".
It makes sense to me. Religion is full of conflict, repression and violence. Religion often creates systems of control. Systems of strict thought. I think it would make sense that archons influenced the creation of religions.

"Doom Porn" is created by us.. It's people who make up, or pretend to know, doom dates.

Very interesting references from movies. Had not thought of the movie "Monster's Inc".

a reply to: cooperton

So do you believe that "enlightenment" or another word for TRUE freedom is the only possible escape? I am wondering how their system works and if one would remember their previous incarnations if not for the supposed "Archons".

If enlightenment is the only escape, I think we all may be screwed. Very very few seem to become enlightend.

a reply to: FamCore

I would assume that you would be free to go. Heaven was only created for a sale. The sale is no longer possible and heaven is no longer needed.

HOWEVER, I believe that you are not your human self in the afterlife. You are a soul, or consciousness. You are not your personality. You are not your human mind. Therfor, knowing that this afterlife is an illusion requires immense awareness.

Maybe that is where "enlightenment" comes in. One can see past the illusion of life and death. Wether human or pure consciousness.

This is all pure speculation though. Itd be better to ask a "buddha" about this .

a reply to: blueman12

I`m pretty sure you got it all right as I have came to the same conclusions. The light at death is a trap, reincarnation is a trap, the moon is a trap...the guilt and wanting to make things better. This place is some sort of hell and ''Archons'' want to keep us here as they feed from our desires and pain.

I want out but it`s hard to find good information about it, everything is tainted by our captives.

The Hidden Hand interview goes in detail to your OP, and explains everything as to the why and how. It is a good read, but fairly long.


iTruthSeeker

originally posted by: blueman12
Maybe entities like "Yahweh","Allah", and other Gods are simply appearances of these "Archons".
It makes sense to me. Religion is full of conflict, repression and violence. Religion often creates systems of control. Systems of strict thought. I think it would make sense that archons influenced the creation of religions.

So true when many people were happy during the days of paganism before the evil crusade wiped them all out in the Dark Ages.

Islam is the same as the Catholic Church. Comply or off with your head with Islam and comply or drown. And then just to make sure if the person survives the drowning, they got burned at the stake.

One theory concerning shades is that the shades actually know the persons future. They attach themselves to the host body to guide the person through bad times.

i had a wraith attached since 15 months and still live today. So archons (djinn) feed off misery. Yet they always keep their host alive just like the film 'The Matrix'. They don't want to terminate their batteries as Neo found out.

a reply to: theMediator

Ive also think ive heard of the "moon" with these theories. What does the moon have to do with anything?

originally posted by: blueman12
a reply to: cooperton

So do you believe that "enlightenment" or another word for TRUE freedom is the only possible escape?

Yes. Jesus opened up a channel so that we may rise above the mental trap of these mental parasites - his teachings of love and selflessness destroy the power of these entities, because these parasites do not know love. Know that your True Heavenly Father and his Son (your Brother) are eagerly awaiting your refusal of archon temptation. Once you establish a foundation of Love and Faith, you will more easily receive further instruction from within from the Most High. The greatest archon deception is that you have to wait for death to see the Kingdom, but the Living God surely wants you to assimilate within your lifetime.

I am wondering how their system works and if one would remember their previous incarnations if not for the supposed "Archons".

I'm not exactly sure. I know time is part of their illusion, they want you to be anxious about death and money - because this is fear, and inherently a lack of Faith. Whereas Jesus says Not to Worry about the Future

If enlightenment is the only escape, I think we all may be screwed. Very very few seem to become enlightend.

The gate to Life is narrow, and few will find it

Your comments indicate that you are one who is coming to Know. Brother, do not stop seeking until you have found the Kingdom within you.

a reply to: Rapha

There is a documentary called, "The Nightmare". It made me start thinking about these "shadow people", demons, or just general negative entities. I had some experiances myself, but sleep paralysis often comes with dreams (even though one appears to be in their room). I did however have one tall dark entity enter my room during my first sleep paralysis when i was 12 or 13. It was the first night i started reading a tiny bit about aliens and related conspiracy. I always chalked it up as a dream until I started reading and listening to others who have had these experiances.

Still not totally convinced it's beyond the mind though.

Funny enough there is a 1781 painting called "The Nightmare".

It looks like it might depict sleep paralysis and a dark entity standing ontop and over the lady.

a reply to: cooperton

Thanks for the input. However, I can't follow in the footsteps of christianity, or the bible. Which, I assume, is where your thoughts are orginating from. Religion has created a very unclear and interpretable message. It has been used for choas and destruction. It seems to often divide people. It may have true messages, but it is too foggy to be useful in my opinion.

I don't see how blind belief can lead on into real realizations and expanded awareness. God of the old and new testament is also not a seemingly "good" God. It has done cruel acts. Which causes me to believe it may be a "archon".

originally posted by: blueman12
Not sure if this is the right area, but here it goes:

Is heaven merly an illusion during the process of the afterlife? There have been many people who have claimed to remember past lives. There have also been many who claimed to have visited heaven. To have seen a beautiful and good-feeling place.

This could all be hullicinations of the mind during high anxiety life-or-death situations. However, maybe some of it could be true...

Is it possible that we are being told a lie in the afterlife?

The theory is that when we die, we arrive at a heaven or "afterlife". It is a beautiful place and we are met by an entity(s) that appear very nice. They convice us that reincarnation on earth is what we need to do. It's our divine purpose. They or It (in whatever presentation) are God, and knows what is best. We are free willed beings and must CHOOSE this. We are being persuaded into earthy reincarnation.

However, this is all a lie. This is for the benifit of _____ entities. Or "archons". They feed off of us in a seemingly negative way. They are the ultimate reason why earth is in a constant flux of suffering and peace. They feed off the pendulum opposing poles. The energetic flux between suffering and relief. Humans will often do this by themselves. However, archons ensure the constant struggle.

They need souls to inhabit their controled environment to feed off of. Souls have free will and cannot be truely forced into enslaved reincarnation. They can only be tricked.

At least, that is the theory.

Any thoughts about this would be nice.

There is some evidence about manipulation going on, posted it in David Icke's forum. forum.davidicke.com...

Ya reply to: blueman12

Nice thread.

The Archons or what I call Egregore, are thought forms. It sounds very similar to the gnostics when they spoke of Sophia having been trapped by her illusive creation.

I believe now that this place is all subliminal deception and when we pass away the subliminal suggestions we are trapped by .. the five senses along with colors shapes numbers letters etc will cease to exist. We will simply see it no more.

a reply to: yosako

Very interesting "witness" stories. Although, that is not true evidence. Just witness stories to be considered.

originally posted by: FamCore
a reply to: blueman12

So if we "choose" not to reincarnate, we get to stay in the "heaven" place with the lying God entity? What would be the point?

That "fake heaven" could pretty much be what the Xanadu "illuminati card" points to.

a reply to: blueman12

When you die, you will see the "god" you worshipped while alive. It is YOUR experience and if you are good on earth, you will have a pleasant afterlife and next life. I do not know exactly what happens, the Tibetan book of living and dying seems to know exactly and it make sense, but once you die, everything makes perfect sense.

originally posted by: blueman12
a reply to: cooperton

Thanks for the input. However, I can't follow in the footsteps of christianity, or the bible. Which, I assume, is where your thoughts are orginating from.

My thoughts are an integration of my own self-exploration and matching it with the sayings of the prophets from all spiritual traditions

Religion has created a very unclear and interpretable message. It has been used for choas and destruction. It seems to often divide people.

It may have true messages, but it is too foggy to be useful in my opinion.

I don't see how blind belief can lead on into real realizations and expanded awareness. God of the old and new testament is also not a seemingly "good" God. It has done cruel acts. Which causes me to believe it may be a "archon".

Pesky archons infiltrate everything that is Good and True and twist it for their control. Give the gospel of John a once over, it is the archons, or the "rulers"/pharisees, who are constantly trying to quell Jesus's Gnostic, peaceful uprising. Buddhists say relinquishing desire kills these archons, Christianity says love kills these archons. Both are true.

Always remember that these archons have no power over you, unless you give it to them by fear.