Neuroscientists have recorded the brain activity of a man at the exact moment he 'saw God'

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: Mrgone

What makes you think that someone couldn't make this up? You've seen movies, right? They get pretty elaborate.

My point was: God, reportedly, showed this man His plan, and it just so happened that the area of the brain responsible for future planning (prefrontal cortex) was highly activated. The neuroanatomy matches the man's revelation. Not to mention the study (link) found an emission of gamma waves on the EEG - gamma waves are also correlated with intense spiritual revelation.

It all matches too well to be a hoax, not to mention the study (link) was peer-reviewed and published.

uh huh... so you have seen movies right?

originally posted by: Mrgone
uh huh... so you have seen movies right?

Do you think James Cameron is behind all this?

a reply to: Mrgone

Doesn't sound like an emotional experience.
More like Nietzsche formulating that God is dead.
Van Gogh hears the news and cuts off his ear, now that is emotional.

a reply to: Cauliflower

Careful there... some "facts" propagated as fact like belief often get touted a spouted as truth. Van Gogh didnt cut his ear off cause ouch my feelings as commonly spoken and written, he and his buddy DeGas were engauged in a form of larping of the day or play fencing with eachother and DeGas accidentially cut Van Goghs ear off... its likely both were under the influence of "the green fairy" at the time, so likely it didnt hurt as bad as a broken heart might have.

I sincerely hope no one mandella effects this. As the more often one hears a story the more it is recalled as that. Its my theory that when people were at the age of reading the Bearenstain Bears or whatever as myself did and had a moment of wait wasnt it Bearenstein? That when we were at an age of reading those books its likely were were still learning pronunciation etc and well hearing other words such as Frankenstein or Einstein etc. likely caused the memory disconnect to confuse it when recalling it years later. So much so even when seeing it know spelled with the stain endding my mind still wants to stein it even though its visually -stain and not -stein as the brain usually glosses or auto finishes and doesnt need to see the whole thing due to that already know it and the new is just reinforcement to known as in check unless of course it is new information that goes zzzzt wrong answer against all the previous check... and even in the face of fact goes narp its wrong, in a self deluding manner.

ex. H u dnt nd n vwls t rd wht m wrtng hr sys th mnd... same thing even without vowels te mind goes zooooom seen it thousands of times but in doing so often loses comprehension to actually digest it word for word instead of gloss over it as per usual and the mandella effect falls apart.

But any way, even if the guy did seem to ave an experience real to him, as I have had many varied experiences seemingly real, that does not mean anything to the present moment when looking objectively at it as hmmm interesting phenomina, whether others have had similar experience is of little meaning other than curiosity as unless its taken as a belief or real that experience or phenomina is not a constant, now of course when someting does become a constant, one says mmm what where all the effects leading up to that as being a constant, the dogma etc falls away to seek the truth or methodology to where others can of course can experience the same end result regardless of and belief or concept they may get side tracked subjected to or lose all ojectivity in the observations of various phenomia.

So its not really important what the fellow believed occurred as tats a personal thing except is a similar experience encountered in others and in the same area, and how and what occurs when it was stimulated to produce a similar effect beyong the conceptual of the person having the experience which is just a personal phenominal bias that they attach to or not. Id ope for their and others mental health they would not, although there is some value wen pouring through all such data in observation to see where such similarities lay... people that profited in some manner or still do in the past in tying such tings together were often called prophets in a twist of irony... whether the people buying it with money or ear benefited? Is also just as personal of an experience as the one selling it when asked and they simply say yes or no.

a reply to: cooperton

Here's my new hypothesis.

Consider other hallucinations and delusions, like auditory and visual and emotional, say in schizophrenics.

These are parts of the person's own brain (auditory cortex) firing and going off improperly, but most importantly losing the "Oh, that's myself thinking" part of the information channel in the neuroscience.

So the schizophrenics hear voices that say things as if they came from other outside beings, and they really deeply feel this is external down to their bones.

Now, in the present case, it's the "planning" section of the brain which lights up with "god". Why? What happens when the "plan" part of the brain goes off spontaneously and it loses the "that is coming from me inside" tag? You get a deep feeling of Something with a Big Plan is active, i.e. a God. What else is all about that?

It's schizophrenia/seizure of the planning section of the brain.

originally posted by: mbkennel
a reply to: cooperton

Here's my new hypothesis.

Consider other hallucinations and delusions, like auditory and visual and emotional, say in schizophrenics.

These are parts of the person's own brain (auditory cortex) firing and going off improperly, but most importantly losing the "Oh, that's myself thinking" part of the information channel in the neuroscience.

So the schizophrenics hear voices that say things as if they came from other outside beings, and they really deeply feel this is external down to their bones.

Now, in the present case, it's the "planning" section of the brain which lights up with "god". Why? What happens when the "plan" part of the brain goes off spontaneously and it loses the "that is coming from me inside" tag? You get a deep feeling of Something with a Big Plan is active, i.e. a God. What else is all about that?

It's schizophrenia/seizure of the planning section of the brain.

I like it. Gamma waves (the highest frequency wave emitted by the brain) are correlated to intense revelation. The fact that that gamma waves were detected in the study indicate that there likely was some sort of higher consciousness communicating with the patient.

A Schizophrenic, in my opinion, is someone who is mentally trying to balance two worlds - material and spiritual. Jesus explicitly says not to do this - i.e. serve two masters. In trying to appease both worlds, you are too ethereal to function properly in the material world, and too enthralled with earth to fully assimilate into the spiritual world. Therefore, you end up with aberrant spirits screwing with your head from the spiritual world, and material people mocking your apparent insanity for talking about communication with such spirits.

a reply to: mbkennel

Well I have a question for you, does the sound come to the ear or does the ear go to the sound? Bare in mind both the consciousness of ear when the mind is focusing on hearing is a wave and a sound itself is also wave... where is the disconnect or filter to ignore such waves, is it the mind consciousness focusing on another sensory consciousness wave? is the mind consciousness to intune with the waves of sound to the point that it can connect but not control the connection to these other waves? Or is some mental waves of others so strong internally that it overwhelms some peoples ability to filter them against ones own?

Either way meditation that silences ones own mind in non attachment to what arises in its consciousness perception, can also be of benefit in disregarding any attachment or reaction to other such overwhelming waves in such individuals. Of course, the later will not cease others production of waves, only their own mental quiessence will... the same way it has in oneself not thusly attached to their own if any is even present.

Its an interesting phenomia, and its a very sad phenomina that so many are tourtured by such things to lose health and happiness... and it is sad also of course for the phenomina to be so poorly understood.

originally posted by: BigBrotherDarkness
a reply to: mbkennel

Well I have a question for you, does the sound come to the ear or does the ear go to the sound? Bare in mind both the consciousness of ear when the mind is focusing on hearing is a wave and a sound itself is also wave... where is the disconnect or filter to ignore such waves, is it the mind consciousness focusing on another sensory consciousness wave? is the mind consciousness to intune with the waves of sound to the point that it can connect but not control the connection to these other waves? Or is some mental waves of others so strong internally that it overwhelms some peoples ability to filter them against ones own?

Beautiful. The wavelength spectrum of our sight (the visible light spectrum) is about .0004 millimeters thick, and the rest of the spectrum (to be detected elsewhere?) is literally infinite in both directions. despite "seeing", we don't actually "see" most of what's going on.

and it is sad also of course for the phenomina to be so poorly understood.

And so is the existential dilemma we have as humans. It takes some maturing to be able to logically articulate the eureka euphoria that you remembers on a daily basis, but the day will come when knowledge stands confidently on a mountain - being a light for all humankind to follow into eternity; or blindness for those who can't bear the light.

a reply to: cooperton

I think of course, humanity as had its way of trying to limit such things out of greed, and use such things as belief and even the exisitentail crisis that can occur there of to either fan flames of hate or again make more money off of it... so its kinda like industry dragging its feet sometimes for max profit over innovation and moving forward by te various systems in place... its sort of a weird catch 22, ow to move forward and progress anchored to such things? Its like aving the ability to warp speed but being forced to crawl at impulse power cause all ensigns dont believe warp speed exists... and well never mind the reality if it does, but man oh man when they say hey maybe it does? Ziiiing So I can kinda see why some are like can we colonize mars already and leave this place?

Odd thing is it almost seems like that has happened before and catastrophy stuck... so its like are we at a point of some hurdle existentially as a whole species? So many want to drop the war and hate and greed that fan flames of bias that has been going on for 1000s of years or crawling on impulse and some are like um staap belief can be anything quit trying make it real cause that makes everything suck cause not everyone wants to play make believe with you and lets just go already.

I know that may sound silly but not to everyone by a long shot. So we seriously need to transform some systems so they function no matter the personal woo.

a reply to: IShotMyLastMuse

I have epilepsy and I can see things before and after having a seizure. (During a grand mal, I don't see anything, remember anything.....)

Interesting post.

originally posted by: Cornczech
I have epilepsy and I can see things before and after having a seizure.

What sort of things (entities, real world, frequencies) can you see when its a minor seizure ?

How many seconds of warning do you feel before control is lost, if you mind me asking ?

a reply to: cooperton

I don't think that's what happens with schizophrenics. Molecular medication seems to make the "spirits" go away.

a reply to: mbkennel

which seems to be shutting down the bodies ability to express too much dopamine etc in the very area to which this so called vision of god or voice phenomina resides... which means an imbalance of chemicals, or plaque, or lesions, or dead dendrites, in the auditory or visual cortex... constantly firing about 20ish watts firing synapes to make new pathways for a balance at the brains center... and its expression is shown as an imbalance whether willfully in belief as the expressions of god visions or those voices as they seem external outside of ones senses yet are in those very senses... as a disruption to focus for what should actually be in there as an actual sensory experience by the very conceptual labeling on has lost all objectivity to or has deemed themselves and others subject too... this is why its called a loss of or being out of touch with actual reality.

I'd be so happy if they replaced 'Religion' with 'Spirituality' and 'God' with 'Fluamp'. But still S+F, definitely worth a read

originally posted by: blueman12
Putting hullicinations aside, why would God personally talk to this man? Could it just an entity trying to control this man's life?

If God is slightly real. He would probably be a sociopathetic entity with uncompassionate agendas. If god involves itself with your or someone else; those good feelings could be the entitys way of persuading you.

If you meet "God" you know it. You'll be experiencing a never before feeling of unconditional love. "God" did not came down to earth and talked to this man, "God" is everywhere. "God" is every one of us because we are all the same, we are one.

The corruption of Religion succeeded already thousands of years ago and is trying to tell a different story.

You'll know it.

a reply to: cuckooold

What about when people get information that is impossible for them to know while unconscious or dead?

I guess people can just magically get information while near death.